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Misc Cold Season Complaining

Yeah, the public services are far better to hear and the older cities there offer a better quality of life. If it wasn’t for the weather I don’t think as many people would leave. The south is crowded, over priced , sprawled, and polluted. Apparently even New Haven ct, just outside NYC, home to Yale has cheaper homes than Raleigh
Places like Atlanta have sprawled out into rural areas and are pushing the locals out or forcing once middle class people into the lower class. Not on the same talking point necessarily but the influx of wealth is crushing small towns
 
Places like Atlanta have sprawled out into rural areas and are pushing the locals out or forcing once middle class people into the lower class. Not on the same talking point necessarily but the influx of wealth is crushing small towns
Yep, so those small towns have the pricing of a major city with none of the benefit … you can pay 400k for a home 45 minutes ( on a good day) away from your job with no transport bad schools and no entertainment … the south in a nutshell

Oh and you pay the high car insurance rates and home insurance because it’s the south, and your healthcare is also abysmal

People I grew up with in this town now have to move out to further far flung places like Middlesex and spring hope … the things that made the south attractive are no longer
 
Remember 3 days ago until like 18Z runs Thursday it’s “omg what consistency this storm has been” “I’ve never seen such consistency except X storm” ect


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Yeah the CMC had us going until it was time to pull the curtain back and see the RGEM, then it decided it had screwed with us long enough.
 
Fun fact: record low in Buffalo New York is warmer than the record low in Knoxville Tennessee and the town of new market Alabama… the south is anomalously cold

The record low in Knoxville and the record low in Chicago are almost exactly the same
Always chuckle at the folks moving down here and getting sold a bill of goods about the climate. Yea, it's hot in summer and there are plenty of warm spells in winter but it still gets cold. They buy all these palms from Florida and various tropical plants and so many of them are dead after 1-2 winters. Even though USDA moved the Pee Dee to zone 8b based on the new 30yr average, we've been back to the "old" averages every winter since 2019-2020 of at least one night sub-15 degrees. Even though we haven't been under 10F and probably won't this winter, we've had so many nights in the low to mid 20s I'm hoping for a reset of sorts on all the invasive plants and animals that have come back after the single digit lows wiped them out in January 2018.
 
Kinda sucks we didn’t even get a proper NAMing on this one. Just when it came into range the whole thing went sideways on us.
It's true. CMC held serve until literally like the run or two before it was in RGEM range. I really wondered what the RGEM was going to look like based on some of those CMC runs. Most likely, some of them would have been quite different haha.
 
Always chuckle at the folks moving down here and getting sold a bill of goods about the climate. Yea, it's hot in summer and there are plenty of warm spells in winter but it still gets cold. They buy all these palms from Florida and various tropical plants and so many of them are dead after 1-2 winters. Even though USDA moved the Pee Dee to zone 8b based on the new 30yr average, we've been back to the "old" averages every winter since 2019-2020 of at least one night sub-15 degrees. Even though we haven't been under 10F and probably won't this winter, we've had so many nights in the low to mid 20s I'm hoping for a reset of sorts on all the invasive plants and animals that have come back after the single digit lows wiped them out in January 2018.
Yeah, hardiness zones are silly because even if the average minimum goes up, doesn’t mean you don’t get temps below it like we saw in 2018, much of nc is 8a including most of the Piedmont and even to some of the foothills. 2018 saw all time record lows in eastern nc. Honestly doesn’t do anything to most invasive plants as most are from similar climates in east Asia
 
Just a week ago we were getting run after run like this. It’s almost like the models want to give us snow and then some higher power just says, nah we’re good.
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Yeah. Never seen that happen before.
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Yeah, the public services are far better to here and the older cities there offer a better quality of life. If it wasn’t for the weather I don’t think as many people would leave. The south is crowded, over priced , sprawled, and polluted. Apparently even New Haven ct, just outside NYC, home to Yale has cheaper homes than Raleigh
I wouldn't doubt that. Just after covid I was on a freighter that went up the St. Lawrence to Erie PA. You can tell it's a "rust belt" city but it's been undergoing quite a revival. Home were very affordable that I saw for sale even in the nicer suburbs.
 
Yeah, hardiness zones are silly because even if the average minimum goes up, doesn’t mean you don’t get temps below it like we saw in 2018, much of nc is 8a including most of the Piedmont and even to some of the foothills. 2018 saw all time record lows in eastern nc. Honestly doesn’t do anything to most invasive plants as most are from similar climates in east Asia
At least down here getting close to Myrtle we get a lot of tropical crap brought up from Florida to be sold. Agreed the asian stuff is used to it but the more tropical stuff gets zapped.
 
Matwannabe changed his username, 1300 is moving to Boston, Tarheel1 can’t stop posting weiner pictures, duck dynasty headquarters is getting 3 foot snow drifts, Little Rock gets 14” of thunder snow, it never stops snowing in Ala**ckingBama, Accu gets to track storms more than BigFrosty, RainCold moved to the mountains and still can’t get snow, a 19 degree low is now considered an Arctic Blast, @WxBrad dunks on us once a week now, your favorite beach gets more snow than you and LizardLick swears snow will be rare in Canada in the next 5 years

This one broke us
 
I'm guessing Bergen has more influence from the ocean to help moderate temps.
Yes, that’s mostly it. Plus the Gulf Stream in general moderates it. Bergen on average is far colder than Tallahassee but the oceanic influence keeps extremes either way from happening.
 
Matwannabe changed his username, 1300 is moving to Boston, Tarheel1 can’t stop posting weiner pictures, duck dynasty headquarters is getting 3 foot snow drifts, Little Rock gets 14” of thunder snow, it never stops snowing in Ala**ckingBama, Accu gets to track storms more than BigFrosty, RainCold moved to the mountains and still can’t get snow, a 19 degree low is now considered an Arctic Blast, @WxBrad dunks on us once a week now, your favorite beach gets more snow than you and LizardLick swears snow will be rare in Canada in the next 5 years

This one broke us
Whew Glad I wasn't caught up in all that!
 
At least down here getting close to Myrtle we get a lot of tropical crap brought up from Florida to be sold. Agreed the asian stuff is used to it but the more tropical stuff gets zapped.
Yeah you are close to the beach, the tropicals are a bigger thing down there than here. I imagine they try to sell palms not meant outside of central Florida . Just stick to live oak , hickory, red oak, and sabal palm it’s great !

Our invasive here are usually East Asian stuff that was used in landscaping and escaped, things like chinese privet which sucks horribly and is poisonous to wildlife
 
Some anecdotal evidence that I learned yesterday from a friend that would make you laugh:

The stores are a mess because of the snow forecast. If I’m remembering correctly, she said that the ice was cleaned out.

I think Helene broke us. All of this for probably just a few passing flurries (the Euro is probably wrong).
 
If this storm has a theme, that is the theme. One model better, next one worse. Stair step trend straight to the gutter.

Might as well just not look at models beyond D3 at this point, it just drives false hope and little payoff. 😢
 
Matwannabe changed his username, 1300 is moving to Boston, Tarheel1 can’t stop posting weiner pictures, duck dynasty headquarters is getting 3 foot snow drifts, Little Rock gets 14” of thunder snow, it never stops snowing in Ala**ckingBama, Accu gets to track storms more than BigFrosty, RainCold moved to the mountains and still can’t get snow, a 19 degree low is now considered an Arctic Blast, @WxBrad dunks on us once a week now, your favorite beach gets more snow than you and LizardLick swears snow will be rare in Canada in the next 5 years

This one broke us
This is like when Frodo was captured by the orcs and taken to Mordor and Minas Tirith was being sacked by the orcs ! The darkest hour


Sorry I just rewatched LOTR
 
Yep, so those small towns have the pricing of a major city with none of the benefit … you can pay 400k for a home 45 minutes ( on a good day) away from your job with no transport bad schools and no entertainment … the south in a nutshell

Oh and you pay the high car insurance rates and home insurance because it’s the south, and your healthcare is also abysmal

People I grew up with in this town now have to move out to further far flung places like Middlesex and spring hope … the things that made the south attractive are no longer
You can look at I-20 in Georgia. Greene and Morgan County both have houses priced at $600,000 with median incomes at $80,000 the numbers just don’t work.

My county is in the Macon metro and has seen growth but not huge growth like them. I worry it’s coming though with retirees moving to the “countryside.” I’ll never leave but it can be highly tempting and especially down the road if growth ever sky rockets I have some locations picked out.
 
Yeah you are close to the beach, the tropicals are a bigger thing down there than here. I imagine they try to sell palms not meant outside of central Florida . Just stick to live oak , hickory, red oak, and sabal palm it’s great !

Our invasive here are usually East Asian stuff that was used in landscaping and escaped, things like chinese privet which sucks horribly and is poisonous to wildlife
I wish towns would knock off planting the live oaks and stick to red oak for street trees. They grow too slowly away from the immediate coast to offer shade in any reasonable amount of time and don't transplant nearly as well as red oak. Quercus shumardii or more recently the disease resistant American Elm cultivars are becoming popular.
 
Might as well just not look at models behind D3 at this point, it just drives false hope and little payoff. 😢
Filed under: good advice that we’ll never take.

It is good advice though. Think a lot of us have a sunk cost fallacy thing going on. We’ve seen it go big. Surely it has to again. We’ve put so much time into it!

I know this. Yet I’ll ask…. When’s the next threat?
 
yep, metros like Rochester and Buffalo are similar in size to Raleigh ( minus Durham chapel hill), Birmingham , Richmond… they aren’t small towns. They boast lots of amenities, more than cities here, are better built , better schools, better public transport …. I mean … if you can handle the snow why not? You won’t see much sun but who cares, sun melts snow
I used to work across the NY thruway. We'd start in Buffalo and hit Rochester, Syracuse and Albany on our way to the city. I couldn't live there. They felt kind of grimy and the people weren't my favorite. The delis though. We need those in the South.
 
You can look at I-20 in Georgia. Greene and Morgan County both have houses priced at $600,000 with median incomes at $80,000 the numbers just don’t work.

My county is in the Macon metro and has seen growth but not huge growth like them. I worry it’s coming though with retirees moving to the “countryside.” I’ll never leave but it can be highly tempting and especially down the road if growth ever sky rockets I have some locations picked out.
I know two couples who pulled a reverse Sherman and moved from SC to Ohio just outside of Dayton. It's a surprisingly nice area and while a decent sized metro on its own you're not far from Columbus or Cincinnati.
 
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