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superjames1992 said:
Please stop talking politics, people. I want this thread to stay. This has been really informative.
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I agree, but the energy defacto is the pivot leverage point for allowing Russia to run rough shod. Have Europe hostage. I could replay a nato 2018 speech where a potus publicly told Germany they where fools getting in bed with Russia over that pipeline. Russia is worlds biggest Gas Station with Nukes.
 
NCSNOW said:
I agree, but the energy defacto is the pivot leverage point for allowing Russia to run rough shod. Have Europe hostage. I could replay a nato 2018 speech where a potus publicly told Germany they where fools getting in bed with Russia over that pipeline. Russia is worlds biggest Gas Station with Nukes.
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"While the Ukraine crisis was raising anxiety about Europe’s dependence on Russian natural gas, something remarkable happened. Last month, for the first time ever, U.S. exports of liquefied natural gas to Europe exceeded Russia’s pipeline deliveries. Russian exports, which normally account for about 30% of Europe’s gas use, dropped substantially because of Russian pricing. And with European gas prices about four times as high as normal, U.S. exports surged to fill the gap.

The extraordinary growth in U.S. oil and gas production is a geopolitical and economic asset for the U.S. that contributes to global energy security. As the domestic oil-and-gas industry continues to rebound from the spring 2020 price collapse caused by the onset of Covid, the U.S. is again the world’s top oil producer—almost 20% above the other two largest producers, Saudi Arabia and Russia—and the world’s top natural-gas producer."

www.wsj.com

Opinion | America Takes Pole Position on Oil and Gas

U.S. exports limit price increases and help check disruptive behavior by the likes of Russia and Iran.
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There is a reason why the sanctions are going after individual Russian oligarchs, Putin is on the clock, I imagine at this point he plans to take an hold a fairly big chunk of the Ukraine and then "negotiate" a withdraw that leave the Donbas regions in his independent control...if this takes to long the internal pressure on him will become massive as the oligarchs feel the pain.
 
Most of the "separatist" areas are pro Ukrainian....



Canada sending weapons in....Estonia sent some Javelins the other day as well, lots of anti armor stuff as that is how you make this costly for Russia....and expect to see more of this, they want the Russians to know this stuff is coming in....

 
If you don't normally keep cash on hand, it might not be a bad idea to take some out of the bank today in case the Russians decide to attack our banking system.

WAPO- Kremlin warns Americans will face financial ‘consequences’ for U.S. sanctions
 
Poimen said:
If you don't normally keep cash on hand, it might not be a bad idea to take some out of the bank today in case the Russians decide to attack our banking system.

WAPO- Kremlin warns Americans will face financial ‘consequences’ for U.S. sanctions
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You'd be wiser to stock up on TP , basic goods because of Freedom Convoy DC Bound as well. Hopefully they lift all the national mandates and we all move on with that part of life.

Back to Ukraine: Check out this article ;

news.usni.org

UPDATED: Russian Navy Cruisers Positioned to Counter U.S., French and Italian Carrier Groups in the Mediterranean - USNI News

This post has been updated with a statement from Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday. This post has been updated to correct Monday’s position of RTS Marshal Ustinov. Three Russian guided-missile cruisers have been arrayed across the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea to counter three...
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Poimen here is another article in reference to your advice about banks. The cyber warfare aspect has been my biggest concern for us since the beginning of this. We start getting in a tic for tack , one up-manship. NCWEATHER whole reason is how simple this can de-escalate.

www.fox5ny.com

Ukraine-Russia Crisis: Cyberattacks could affect U.S.

If Russia mounts cyberattacks against the United States, the targets could include banks, power plants, water treatment facilities, and communications. Those attacks could also impact GPS for navigation, farming, automation, and oil exploration.
www.fox5ny.com www.fox5ny.com
 
My opinion/feel right now is Putin feels 0 pressure from our so called sanctions. Again these where already in place since 2014. Its just a talking point. I also feel Puttin will roll on with his plan to overtake Ukraine and then if he needs to respond to any external pressure from west, he will engage in cyber warfare tactics at that time. Right now he has the green light from the west and its just Russia verse Ukraine. No outside interference/help coming Ukraine's way military wise. So Puttin isn't gonna invite any by throwing darts at the west until after he has Ukraine occupied.
 
Russian bots may be the source behind many OSINT Twitter accounts being suspended.

 
NCSNOW said:
My opinion/feel right now is Putin feels 0 pressure from our so called sanctions. Again these where already in place since 2014. Its just a talking point. I also feel Puttin will roll on with his plan to overtake Ukraine and then if he needs to respond to any external pressure from west, he will engage in cyber warfare tactics at that time. Right now he has the green light from the west and its just Russia verse Ukraine. No outside interference/help coming Ukraine's way military wise. So Puttin isn't gonna invite any by throwing darts at the west until after he has Ukraine occupied.
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This is just wrong, the sanctions Biden and other western nations put in place yesterday are new sanctions on the Russian banks Putin and the main oligarchs use to launder their wealth....its very personal and deliberately done to hurt those closest to Putin the most by targeting those top oligarchs.

If Putin takes the NATO countries moving troops around and sending the Ukraine tons of military equipment as a green light he needs to reevaluate his thought processes. Countries are literally sending military hardware into Ukraine as we speak....and the Ukraine has 120k troops on the eastern front with Donbass....this will not be a cake walk for Russia if they go full bore, they have the numbers but the Ukrainian army has had weeks to prepare positions and setup defense layers that will cost the Russians heavily especially in armor, just in the last month or so the Ukrainians have been given a few thousand Javelin missiles these will kill a lot of Russia armor.

In fact Putin has painted himself into a rather nasty corner honestly, if he backs down now he looks hella weak to the oligarchs and at home, if he keeps pushing he ends up in a major shooting war with a country he cant take and hold, with sanctions crushing the Russian economy, hundreds or even thousands of dead bodies going home in a war that literally no one in Russia wants. All the while just increasing the need to put those countries in NATO to prevent crap like this from happening again.
 
Listening to the BBC it sounds like most of the sanctions we've imposed so far we're expected and prepared for by Moscow. However, Germany putting the Nord Stream pipeline on hold was not.
 
BelmontWX79 said:
Listening to the BBC it sounds like most of the sanctions we've imposed so far we're expected and prepared for by Moscow. However, Germany putting the Nord Stream pipeline on hold was not.
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Time for Europe to build nuclear plants . It’s their only hope . They are rapidly switching to electric cars , meaning an increased electrical demand . Nuclear is their best option.
 
Correct, they have been stocking up on oil, goods and cash for sometime. The USA know this but didn’t act. Now we and the world will suffer for a bit but it hopefully the US has been preparing for this as well.
 
Downeastnc said:
This is just wrong, the sanctions Biden and other western nations put in place yesterday are new sanctions on the Russian banks Putin and the main oligarchs use to launder their wealth....its very personal and deliberately done to hurt those closest to Putin the most by targeting those top oligarchs.

If Putin takes the NATO countries moving troops around and sending the Ukraine tons of military equipment as a green light he needs to reevaluate his thought processes. Countries are literally sending military hardware into Ukraine as we speak....and the Ukraine has 120k troops on the eastern front with Donbass....this will not be a cake walk for Russia if they go full bore, they have the numbers but the Ukrainian army has had weeks to prepare positions and setup defense layers that will cost the Russians heavily especially in armor, just in the last month or so the Ukrainians have been given a few thousand Javelin missiles these will kill a lot of Russia armor.

In fact Putin has painted himself into a rather nasty corner honestly, if he backs down now he looks hella weak to the oligarchs and at home, if he keeps pushing he ends up in a major shooting war with a country he cant take and hold, with sanctions crushing the Russian economy, hundreds or even thousands of dead bodies going home in a war that literally no one in Russia wants. All the while just increasing the need to put those countries in NATO to prevent crap like this from happening again.
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He doesn't care about the Russian economy. History shows it's all about him and nothing more


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I dont think Putin has any desire whatsoever to take over Ukraine, at least not now. In a few years Russia will be supplying even more energy to Europe and then it will be time to expand. As far the sanctions, they mean nothing. Russia can cut off all energy exports to europe and europe will cave.
 
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