Webberweather53
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Heelyes
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Anyone remember Micheal Ojo? He played for FSU a few years ago, he had covid and died of heart failure at 27.
BlueRidgeFolklore
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IMO, this was a forgone conclusion once school started back for MOST communities. They were simply hedging that bet on the belief that children were an unlikely candidate for transmission to adults, severe complications, yada, yada.
We will soon find out.
BlueRidgeFolklore
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He was 7'1, 300lbs.
Not trying to stir the pot here but I would be willing to BET HOUSE MONEY that he had underlying heart conditions. Many people that size do.
Taller people have increased risk for developing atrial fibrillation
Taller people have an increased risk of developing atrial fibrillation (AFib), an irregular and often rapid heartbeat that can lead to stroke, heart failure and other complications, according to a new study. The research, which reveals a strong link between the genetic variants associated with...
www.sciencedaily.com
NoSnowATL
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Did Covid cause is? Can’t say for sure. He was 7-1. Those guys always have health issues especially heart issues. He was fun to watch back at FSU because how tall he was.
Heelyes
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Few die at 27He was 7'1, 300lbs.
Not trying to stir the pot here but I would be willing to BET HOUSE MONEY that he had underlying heart conditions. Many people that size do.
Taller people have increased risk for developing atrial fibrillation
Taller people have an increased risk of developing atrial fibrillation (AFib), an irregular and often rapid heartbeat that can lead to stroke, heart failure and other complications, according to a new study. The research, which reveals a strong link between the genetic variants associated with...www.sciencedaily.com
Heelyes
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Don't know if covid killed him but it sure didn't help.
NoSnowATL
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Few are 7-1 300ibs. At that size you are a walking time bomb.
Heelyes
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I can't think of anyone that died that young, most big men are reaching their prime at 27. It could be a coincidence or it could become a more common event
GeorgiaGirl
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7 plus footers are already more likely to die early. It just doesn't happen as often anymore with modern medicine. Maybe not as early as 27, but earlier than normal.
Should also add that I was reading a page that had an area for people that have died of myocarditis that they contracted from the other viruses you can get.
Should I be in panic mode about contracting any virus?
Should also add that I was reading a page that had an area for people that have died of myocarditis that they contracted from the other viruses you can get.
Should I be in panic mode about contracting any virus?
NoSnowATL
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I’m sure the virus played a role but being that big helps increase the chances. That’s why we are seeing these NFL linemen opting out. Being big plus this virus is a no go.
Reggie Lewis and Hang Gathers are 2 I can think of. However, there are differing opinions on Reggie Lewis whether this was also caused by past cocaine use. In the autopsy report it does state that he had scarring due to adenovirus.
LEWIS: AUTOPSY REPORT
Celtics captain Reggie Lewis had an abnormal, enlarged and extensively scarred heart when he suffered cardiac arrest and died July 27, a medical examiner said Wednesday afternoon. Dr. Richard Evans…
www.courant.com
BlueRidgeFolklore
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Few are 7'1 and 300lbs+
Again, it's common knowledge that guys that size commonly have heart problems. It takes a lot of toll pushing blood through a body that size let alone one who is very active.
The NBA seeks to address a spiking problem with heart disease
Golden State Warriors assistant coach Jarron Collins learned about yet another heart-related death of a former NBA big man after receiving a call from his twin …
theundefeated.com
BlueRidgeFolklore
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The virus may have played a role but it was likely that there heart issues prior, due to his size, activity level, performance enhancing use, who knows. That has been THE preaching point for this entire virus: If you are high risk, you stand a greater chance at having complications. Being 7'1, 300+ certainly doesn't make it easy on the heart let alone fighting a virus.
Heelyes
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He very easily could have been destined for a short life but the timing of his death makes it likely covid-19 played some role. He was complaining of being tired and unable to do normal workout days prior to his death. If being exceptionally large makes you more likely to die from covid-19 sports are in trouble
Covid-19 most likely killed him, but he was much more susceptible based on his size. Basically, it’s like he had a comorbidity. He was at a much higher risk than a typical individual.
Mind you, I’m not a medical professional nor do I know all the details of this case, so take this with a grain of salt.
Mind you, I’m not a medical professional nor do I know all the details of this case, so take this with a grain of salt.
Webberweather53
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Yeah exactly because in football almost everyone is abnormally large, we can’t just brush this aside and say he died because he was big, because if that’s true we have some serious problems.
It’s kind of ironic how some continually pestered me yesterday about there not being any athletes dying from Covid-19 and thus we should play football, and then literally the very next day this happens. Huh, it’s almost like taking precautions to protect players from something, even if it didn’t happen yet, was actually a good idea. Shocking
There could be more questions than answers here. Sure we shouldn't just brush this aside and say he died because he was big (actually nobody said those exact words) but we shouldn't just post a comment that could lead one to believe he died entirely due to COVID-19 either and automatically link to athletes dying from COVID.
He's also in Nigeria, not the best medical care potentially? He didn't follow doctor's orders and didn't listen to his body.... there is almost always more to the story.
www.eurohoops.net
**edit** Correction, don't think he was in Nigeria at the time, I misread that... he is Nigerian. Think he was in Serbia, at least that is the team he played for, doesn't help that's for sure.
He's also in Nigeria, not the best medical care potentially? He didn't follow doctor's orders and didn't listen to his body.... there is almost always more to the story.
Michael Ojo was coronavirus positive prior to his death
Crvena Zvezda president Nebojsa Covic revealed that Michael Ojo was coronavirus positive prior to his tragic death, that he trained prematurely and that there is an ongoing investigation to establish his cause of death
www.eurohoops.net
**edit** Correction, don't think he was in Nigeria at the time, I misread that... he is Nigerian. Think he was in Serbia, at least that is the team he played for, doesn't help that's for sure.
Big nope
www.foxnews.com
Coronavirus expert says Americans will be wearing masks for ‘several years’
The U.S. recently added about 43,000 positive COVID-19 cases to its 2.9 million total.
www.foxnews.com
Webberweather53
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No, many people are attributing his death to size that led to his underlying heart issues (despite his great physical condition) and made him more vulnerable. From the standpoint of trying to say COVID-19 won’t adversely impact or kill athletes as was the popular stance in here yesterday, is just horrible reasoning, especially for football players, where everyone is gigantic and even larger in some cases than Ojo.There could be more questions than answers here. Sure we shouldn't just brush this aside and say he died because he was big (actually nobody said those exact words) but we shouldn't just post a comment that could lead one to believe he died entirely due to COVID-19 either and automatically link to athletes dying from COVID.
He's also in Nigeria, not the best medical care potentially? He didn't follow doctor's orders and didn't listen to his body.... there is almost always more to the story.
Michael Ojo was coronavirus positive prior to his death
Crvena Zvezda president Nebojsa Covic revealed that Michael Ojo was coronavirus positive prior to his tragic death, that he trained prematurely and that there is an ongoing investigation to establish his cause of death
**edit** Correction, don't think he was in Nigeria at the time, I misread that... he is Nigerian. Think he was in Serbia, at least that is the team he played for, doesn't help that's for sure.
I’m a 6’7 285 pound middle aged type 1 diabetic and was never close to dying. It’s hard to broadbrush and say what made a person succumb to the virus. There’s something we’re all missing here. Including the experts.
Webberweather53
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Do you suppose then that all the offensive and defensive lineman that are on average somewhere in the ballpark of 300 lbs and 6-6 foot 5” in the NFL are also in the high risk category from having heart issues after contracting Covid-19? This is likely something the NCAA is taking seriously and already knew (influencing their decision to cancel football), even though they ultimately still care about their money first and foremost.
It’s 100% true that the taller you are, the shorter your life expectancy is.
“research suggests taller people suffer more from a type of irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation, as well as Marfan syndrome (a connective tissue and collagen disorder), which can come with heart valve problems and abnormalities of the aorta.”
And for shorter people..
“For a person who is 2.5 inches shorter than average, the risk of heart disease increases by about 13.5%”
The way I read the comments on both sides if you will, was no one was attributing his death entirely to his size but more that both, COVID and his size, along with any potential underlying heart conditions, lead to his death. I think it's foolish to say he died (exclusively) from COVID just as it's foolish to say he died (exclusively) due to his size. Which nobody said... why can't there be contributing factors?
For once in my life I'm actually glad to be average
There was a British study recently showing that taller people are more likely to have severe symptoms.
BlueRidgeFolklore
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Playing "some role" is why people have a hard time trusting the polarizing nature of the COVID numbers. A person goes into the hospital with COPD, diabetes and high blood pressure, but we label their death a COVID death and suddenly people are paralyzed by fear over what they perceive is an incredibly lethal virus. Sure the virus may exploit the pre-existing morbidities, but we need to be careful about what we say is "caused by" and what may have "contributing". Ojo was the size of a small vehicle. That alone should give pause when labeling something as the sole cause. Yes the the virus may have played it's role but the bottom line is that Ojo was 7'1, 300lbs+, and his heart was likely destined to have issues with or without COVID.
Webberweather53
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Hmm, well clearly not everyone is on board w/ the idea of contributing factors, w/ some attributing it almost entirely to "underlying heart problems due to his size".
"The virus may have played a role but it was likely that there heart issues prior, due to his size,"
"Again, it's common knowledge that guys that size commonly have heart problems"
I'm glad I'm only 510-11ish
BlueRidgeFolklore
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But we do have problems and we know we have problems. It's as if so many people suddenly want to regurgitate these issues as something new simply to link these comorbidities to COVID alone. 42% of our population is categorized as obese. That is 138,000,000 people! These are the same risk factors that put you at higher risk for complications for nearly all viral outbreaks, seasonal or not. Now obviously Ojo wasn't obese but the correlation and studies are there to show that in general, big people tend to have heart issues so it's no wonder why he likely died of a heart attack while fighting said virus. Had it been another H1N1 outbreak like we saw in 2009, the same outcome was probably likely as are the outcomes in the same demographics that are currently taking the brunt of the COVID outbreak.
Webberweather53
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You need to pump the breaks on unsubstantiated conspiracy theories here about large-scale mislabeling of deaths.
Webberweather53
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These individuals are higher risk, but many people often live several years if not a few-several decades with these underlying health issues, they contract covid-19 and a large proportion suffer serious life-threatening complications or die in a matter of weeks, i.e. about 100-1000x faster than they would otherwise w/o it >>> contracting covid-19 changes the risk of death by orders of magnitude.
BlueRidgeFolklore
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You're acting like it's foreign conclusion, like we're reaching. We're taking this at face value based on what we've been told such as below and the fact that Ojo absolutely checked all the boxes for a individual with underlying cardiovascular issues and/or being at risk for developing cardiovascular problems.
BlueRidgeFolklore
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Wait, you don't believe in comorbidities? Better yet, you don't believe that they have a helluva lot do with a persons ability to fight disease? Hell, DIABETES IS LISTED AS A RISK FACTOR FOR COVID DEATH!
Conspiracy theory. Lol.
"The virus may have played a role but it was likely that there heart issues prior, due to his size,"
Clearly this quote states the virus may have played a role which to me doesn't read "it was his size and only his size that caused his death". Sure sounds like a combination of factors to me
BlueRidgeFolklore
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So we both agree that COVID wasn't the underlying cause of death, then? Thank you. We could've just shortened this up if you would have agreed with that from the start.
Webberweather53
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You mean foregone conclusion. As for Ojo being at risk individual, again people like this live several years-several decades with these underlying health problems, and are suddenly dying in a matter of days-weeks when they contract covid-19. We're putting several years-decades worth of risk into a matter of days-weeks when this person comes down w/ covid-19, which is orders of magnitude different and makes covid-19 arguably the main contributor to their death. As for diabetes, again consider how long this individual typically lives alongside diabetes without covid-19 (many live decades) vs with the disease. As for conspiracy theories, that's exactly what this is unless you're able to provide us w/ a sense of the total contribution of these "mislabeled" deaths in the context of all deaths. If these are cherry-picked, isolated cases where the deaths are mislabeled, then we can assume it's negligible in the grand scheme of things, which it almost certainly is from what I've been able to glean.
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I wonder why the huge fatality rate disparity between males and females doesn’t get more coverage...males die at alarmingly higher rates from Covid-19 compared to females.
whatalife
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IF COVID-19 is here to stay....At what point do people stop putting their lives on hold.?.At what point do we stop ruining child/adolescence/Young adults/college students lives and tell them it's ok to live life in spite of this virus.?.At what point do we stop hiding behind fear and actually lean into.?. 
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Webberweather53
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C'mon you're cherry-picking here, in addition to saying the virus may have played a role you conveniently forgot to mention that said individual went onto say and imply it was likely his size and underlying health issues that played the bigger part in his death, and I'm just not buying this at all.
a) simply don't have enough information to actually confidently assume that
b) it's well established covid-19 squeezes year (or more) worth of risk of death into a matter of weeks-days.
"This suggests that COVID-19 very roughly contributes a year’s worth of risk. There is a simple reality check on this figure. Every year around 600,000 people die in the UK. The Imperial College team estimates that if the virus went completely unchallenged, around 80% of people would be infected and there would be around 510,000 deaths.
So, roughly speaking, we might say that getting COVID-19 is like packing a year’s worth of risk into a week or two. Which is why it’s important to spread out the infections to avoid the NHS being overwhelmed"
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