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Blue_Ridge_Escarpment said:
Pompeo just came out with a statement calling Bolton a traitor and claims he’s spreading lies. Pompeo said “I was in the room also”. This is getting ugly for Bolton and backfiring more than a 75 Ford Pinto.
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We had a Pinto growing up lol
 
Downeastnc said:
Many here do not understand what white privilege means....it does not mean that you get anything special for being white, or that you are expected to be handed stuff for the color of your skin. It just means that you dont have to worry if your skin color is preventing you from getting a loan, or buying a car at a good rate, or getting a job etc...

This video does a decent job of explaining it I think.....heck dont call it white privilege it doesnt matter what you call it and saying something like this exist does not attack white people or demean their accomplishments....

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Anti-discrimination laws are already in place to take care of those worries though.
 
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment said:
Pompeo just came out with a statement calling Bolton a traitor and claims he’s spreading lies. Pompeo said “I was in the room also”. This is getting ugly for Bolton and backfiring more than a 75 Ford Pinto.
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RIght because Pompeo is more believable than Bolton, especially considering Pompeo is probably complicit in some of the shiesty ---- going down in the Trump admin.....

So now either we believe Trump a man who is a known liar etc or true patriots like Mattis, Kelly, Bolton, McMasters etc all career soldiers or diplomats serving this country for their entire adult lives.....they are all saying the same general thing that Trump is a a terrible leader and acts like a spoiled child and does not seem to understand WTF he is doing....that he tries to do illegal things all the time mostly thru ignorance or the belief that President equals king and he can do whatever the hell he pleases and that rules dont really apply to him....
 
Downeastnc said:
RIght because Pompeo is more believable than Bolton, especially considering Pompeo is probably complicit in some of the shiesty poop going down in the Trump admin.....

So now either we believe Trump a man who is a known liar etc or true patriots like Mattis, Kelly, Bolton, McMasters etc all career soldiers or diplomats serving this country for their entire adult lives.....they are all saying the same general thing that Trump is a a terrible leader and acts like a spoiled child and does not seem to understand WTF he is doing....that he tries to do illegal things all the time mostly thru ignorance or the belief that President equals king and he can do whatever the hell he pleases and that rules dont really apply to him....
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Which Bolton do you believe? The one who said that Trump was really tough on China and Russia and actually praised the Trump Ukraine call or the Bolton that is a fired disgruntled employee trying to sell books?
 
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment said:
Which Bolton do you believe? The one who said that Trump was really tough on China and Russia and actually praised the Trump Ukraine call or the Bolton that is a fired disgruntled employee trying to sell books?
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LOL calling the Ukraine call warm and cordial doesnt mean anything....the calls were warm and cordial, and included Trump asking a foreign head of state to investigate his political rival, then the US withheld aid to force Ukraine to comply.....which Bolton will confirm in his book.

Bottom line if you believe Trump more than someone like Bolton or Mattis or Kelly then you are guzzling the kool aid.....

As for China what you really need to know is that people like Bolton, and McMasters and Kelly etc were the ones that had to drag Trump kicking and screaming into that....do you really think Trump is capable of devising a actual workable strategy for handling something as big as China.....Trump wanted to do dumb things, his staff steered him into the right course of actions and Trump gets the credit....thats how it works in every admin....Trumps ideas are just dumber and more dangerous than most previous presidents....
 
Rain Cold said:
You know we're living in strange times when Bolton is the hero we're looking for and trusting in. John freaking Bolton. Things are really starting to get bizarre.
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Yeah... I can’t trust a guy who acts like everything is fine then after getting fired writes an entire book about how bad Trump is... I’m sure those who hate Trump will have confirmation bias saying it proves he’s unfit to lead. These books like this are a dime a dozen and oftentimes many of the claims are later debunked or strongly criticized. There have been other “bombshell” books about Trump in recent years that ended up telling more lies than Trump and other politicians do lol.
 
snowlover91 said:
Yeah... I can’t trust a guy who acts like everything is fine then after getting fired writes an entire book about how bad Trump is... I’m sure those who hate Trump will have confirmation bias saying it proves he’s unfit to lead. These books like this are a dime a dozen and oftentimes many of the claims are later debunked or strongly criticized. There have been other “bombshell” books about Trump in recent years that ended up telling more lies than Trump and other politicians do lol.
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Has there ever been a book that penalized any politicians that affected their re-election? NO.
 
Rain Cold said:
Everybody wants color not to matter, but all anybody can talk about is color.
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I've noticed that about color as well. We used to hear things like "I don't want people to see the color of my skin, just see me as a person." Now if someone says they don't see color they are called a racist. So many who don't want to be judged by their skin color spend a lot of their time judging people who have "white skin." What?
 
Trump has the media and snowflakes of the world in full meltdown mode after he retweeted those back to back videos earlier tonight. They had fact checkers confirming the CNN video was doctored. LOL we know already..The left can’t meme ?

45 wrote the book on how to ?
 
Poimen said:
How many ex-aides has Trump disparaged? He must be a horrible judge of character.
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Yeah when people choose to believe Trump over folks like Bolton, Kelly, Mattis, McMasters etc you know the kool aid is extra tasty......the only thing constant in all this is how horrible they all say Trump is at being president lol....but hey what do they know....
 
Downeastnc said:
Yeah when people choose to believe Trump over folks like Bolton, Kelly, Mattis, McMasters etc you know the kool aid is extra tasty......the only thing constant in all this is how horrible they all say Trump is at being president lol....but hey what do they know....
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After they’ve all been fired...hmm. Have to wonder what’s being brewed up next since this book thing is already sputtered out.
 
Downeastnc said:
RIght because Pompeo is more believable than Bolton, especially considering Pompeo is probably complicit in some of the shiesty poop going down in the Trump admin.....

So now either we believe Trump a man who is a known liar etc or true patriots like Mattis, Kelly, Bolton, McMasters etc all career soldiers or diplomats serving this country for their entire adult lives.....they are all saying the same general thing that Trump is a a terrible leader and acts like a spoiled child and does not seem to understand WTF he is doing....that he tries to do illegal things all the time mostly thru ignorance or the belief that President equals king and he can do whatever the hell he pleases and that rules dont really apply to him....
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Mike drop. I have a good friend, retired commander of one of our finest and storied warships. He shares General Mattis's opinion.
 
Poimen said:
How many ex-aides has Trump disparaged? He must be a horrible judge of character.
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I remember on one of the hunting forums I'm on people were rationalizing their choice for trump while i was questioning his experience and understanding they were saying not to worry. Trump will surround himself with the best people they said.

The revolving door has been on hyper speed with president. As soon as they leave he either barely knows them or they were losers and he is great.
 
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment said:
After they’ve all been fired...hmm. Have to wonder what’s being brewed up next since this book thing is already sputtered out.
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Sputtered out lol....the book has not even been released yet.....and your right they were all fired....why does Trump have the highest turnover of any president ever and its not even close.....if you think the answer is anything other than Trump is a terrible boss who has no idea what he is doing then you need to place the kool aid cup back on the counter.

All of these people are actually smart well educated EXPERTS in their fields, they are all very good at what they do, they all got fired more or less because they would not coddle the manchild in chief anymore....the stories from them are all the same, they all describe the same Trump. I would love to know what you think is the reason they all left, I am honestly amazed anyone thinks Trump is more credible than any of these people...
 
Downeastnc said:
Sputtered out lol....the book has not even been released yet.....and your right they were all fired....why does Trump have the highest turnover of any president ever and its not even close.....if you think the answer is anything other than Trump is a terrible boss who has no idea what he is doing then you need to place the kool aid cup back on the counter.

All of these people are actually smart well educated EXPERTS in their fields, they are all very good at what they do, they all got fired more or less because they would not coddle the manchild in chief anymore....the stories from them are all the same, they all describe the same Trump. I would love to know what you think is the reason they all left, I am honestly amazed anyone thinks Trump is more credible than any of these people...
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Bolton has been fired from two administrations....
 
Trump has been a poor judge of some in his cabinet for sure. I have never liked Bolton however as he is a proven war monger who wanted to fight everybody in the world at one time or another. Trump has a tendancy to make snap comments and decisions which makes the job much more difficult as he has to spend as much time defending himself for making errors in judgement about personnel. He is his own best champion and worst enemy
 
Lickwx said:
White privilege is a thing , it’s not saying that because you are white you don’t have to work hard . It doesn’t null your hard work . It is a thing though solely based on the fact white people are the majority in this nation and western aka white nations are the centers of science , wealth, and power. To a degree an Arab in a majority Arab country has Arab privilege . African in African etc.

You grow up white it’s easier to fit in you have more people who look like you and by extent more people to network with. Your name is easy to pronounce , your considered generally safe in this nation. There’s more that goes along with it as well.

What if a black person with dreads and a name like Chaquan applies for a job? Let’s be real because I do it too, imma look at that guy and have my doubts on his character because in this society someone like that has a higher chance of being “ dangerous “ and “ unsafe”. But is that true to every black guy with dreads named Chaquan? Think about all the people named Tyrone, Chaquan, Laquisha etc who seem to fit the mold of a stereotype and as a result miss out . Is it fair to the Chaquans who work hard , have college degrees , and are law abiding citizens?

I will also agree white privilege has become an insult, a word used to take away from the achievements and hard work of white people. That’s the problem , the left wants to point out a problem or symptom of society and demonize somebody , as a result the right which is reactionary by definition resists . We are truly stuck y’all, knee deep in mud.
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Good post. My take is that white privilege does indeed exist, alongside a bevy of other privileges. I would argue one also has some level of privilege from growing up in a stable, household (and arguably a two-parent household). Also, kids who are brought up in a wealthier household compared to a poorer one are more privileged. Geography also plays a role in privilege: a person who grows up in the DC area is probably going to be advantaged versus a person who grows up in some backwater town in Appalachia. In certain fields, at least, gender can also play a role in privilege (i.e. there are few women in IT). And there’s other types of privilege, too.

My point being that, all else being equal, whites do tend have it easier than other races in this country, but of course all else is never equal. It’s kind of insulting and hurtful to the cause to tell a poor white guy who grew up in a poor, drug abusing, dysfunctional family in a trailer park in the West Virginia coalfields to check his privilege. That’s a terrible set of cards to be dealt regardless of whether he’s white.

Of course, given the wealth disparities between whites and African Americans in this country, it is not as if race itself is often not related to some of these other disparities.
 
Downeastnc said:
Hmmm what other president fired him?
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The announcement was characterized as Bolton's "resignation" by the Associated Press, United Press International, ABC News, and other news sources, as well as a White House press release and President Bush himself. The White House, however, later objected to the use of this language.
 
Lickwx said:
White privilege is a thing , it’s not saying that because you are white you don’t have to work hard . It doesn’t null your hard work . It is a thing though solely based on the fact white people are the majority in this nation and western aka white nations are the centers of science , wealth, and power. To a degree an Arab in a majority Arab country has Arab privilege . African in African etc.

You grow up white it’s easier to fit in you have more people who look like you and by extent more people to network with. Your name is easy to pronounce , your considered generally safe in this nation. There’s more that goes along with it as well.

What if a black person with dreads and a name like Chaquan applies for a job? Let’s be real because I do it too, imma look at that guy and have my doubts on his character because in this society someone like that has a higher chance of being “ dangerous “ and “ unsafe”. But is that true to every black guy with dreads named Chaquan? Think about all the people named Tyrone, Chaquan, Laquisha etc who seem to fit the mold of a stereotype and as a result miss out . Is it fair to the Chaquans who work hard , have college degrees , and are law abiding citizens?

I will also agree white privilege has become an insult, a word used to take away from the achievements and hard work of white people. That’s the problem , the left wants to point out a problem or symptom of society and demonize somebody , as a result the right which is reactionary by definition resists . We are truly stuck y’all, knee deep in mud.
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I agree with most all of this post...I think the biggest struggle mankind has is putting a certain group/type in a box, sealing the box, and marking it guaranteed!
 
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