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NCSNOW said:
The Countries of NATO have really neglected their Armies, defense so much, that quite frankly I don't see most of them being able to stand up to Russia. Germany is the absolute worst example. I guess Germany & The rest of Europe were all busy paying for "free" health care and a 32 day work week to worry about protecting themselves. Also of concern to me is a article I read with survey information from our own military recently that was very disturbing.
Now on the flip side , I think folks give the Russian military way more credit than they deserve. Not some invincible force by any stretch of the imagination. Heavily armed/Nuke/ Equiptment yes. Anyway just food for thought. I'm convinced Puttin objective is to go through the Baltic states next, no doubt.
He has a noose around Europe's neck because they rely solely on him for energy. The refusal of the US and NATO not to go full bore and Boot Russia from SWIFT speaks Volumes about the weakness and mindset of these Globalist 1st politicians in charge of these nations that make up NATO. If you think you are gonna cancel out the Puttins and XI's of the world with words, statements etc it ain't gonna work. They laugh at the absurdity of it.
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I dont think Russia has the assets to attack anyone else for awhile. I saw on FOX where Zelensky is saying 137 dead so far. While im glad loss of life has been minimal so far it makes me think reports of heavy fighting are being exaggerated.
 
Right now I'm hearing air raid sirens in Kiev and just heard what sounded like low flying aircraft. Feels like a movie.
 
Poimen said:
They are not going to roll over for the Russians.

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Sounds like they will get a taste of what we dealt with in Iraq. There have also been reports that the government has basically made molotov cocktails and IED's legal. If Russia thinks capturing the capitol will be easy they only need to look back at what we dealt with in Iraq
 
Furthermore. If this becomes an house to house building to building insurgency type battle. All bets are off for Russia you can have more man power all day but it's difficult when you are dealing with that type of war
Darklordsuperstorm said:
Sounds like they will get a taste of what we dealt with in Iraq. There have also been reports that the government has basically made molotov cocktails and IED's legal. If Russia thinks capturing the capitol will be easy they only need to look back at what we dealt with in Iraq
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What’s the end game for Putin in Ukraine anyone have a guess?


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lexxnchloe said:
I dont think Russia has the assets to attack anyone else for awhile. I saw on FOX where Zelensky is saying 137 dead so far. While im glad loss of life has been minimal so far it makes me think reports of heavy fighting are being exaggerated.
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Those Baltic states aren't the size of Texas like Ukraine. Plus the topography and geography on top of their small size make them way easier targets to overcome and occupy. Ten -fold. The million dollar question that changes that scenario is NATO/USA article 5. Be rubber meets road.
Russia may overcome Ukraine and occupy, set up Puttin selected Govt. After that, he will be re grouping and looking for opportunity not to far down the road.
 
Jessy89 said:
What’s the end game for Putin in Ukraine anyone have a guess?


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He will wreck it, have China or some 3rd party back channel a negotiation after he's flushed out the current govt. Set up his own hand selected and call all the shots going forward. My best guess, opinion.
 
Poimen said:
Russian tank in Ukraine flying the hammer and sickle. Let there be no mistake about Mr. Putin's goals.

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Oh my the irony in that photo. Old Soviet flag, giant "white" Z (defeats the camo effect of the olive green paint), giant "birds Nest" on the turret, useless against modern imaging and targeting computers... That's a clown tank. They are really concerned about being shot by their own forces (Ukraine has the same tanks). Shows you how much they trust their own training.
 
Again, we just upped our purchase of Oil from Russia as recently as last week. Upside down world. We chose to do so and didn't have to, have the means for other options. If we decided to do this ( don't ask me why) then imagine how desperate/ thirsty the economies of the European nations are for Russian Oil. This is the shackles around Nato alliance ankles. Self created and its handicapping the group from collectively making obvious decisions to combat against the Russian aggression.

Seeing us all respond this way to Russia, Lord knows how hard we will bend over for China when/If they go for Taiwan. China is in the back pocket of so many beltway politicians, not to mention cooperate America.
 
GeorgiaGirl said:
Truth: The Ukranian far-right Nazi sympathizer party has never achieved more than 5% of the vote in any election.

False: The idea that Ukraine has many Nazis running around.

? world to suggest that.
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Fact... No one knows exactly what is going on... There's a lot of false information blatantly given out in the fog of war.
 
Bham 99 said:
Fact... No one knows exactly what is going on... There's a lot of false information blatantly given out in the fog of war.
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There really is. There’s so much information out there, but so much of it is out of context or just false (like the “Ghost of Kyiv”). I think it’s fair to say in the West there’s an impression that Ukraine is hammering the Russians, but that doesn’t seem to match with reality to me. The Ukrainians certainly aren’t rolling over and have won some small victories, but the Russians are nevertheless at the threshold of Kyiv and may take the city soon. They are advancing on all fronts, especially in the south.
 
superjames1992 said:
There really is. There’s so much information out there, but so much of it is out of context or just false (like the “Ghost of Kyiv”). I think it’s fair to say in the West there’s an impression that Ukraine is hammering the Russians, but that doesn’t seem to match with reality to me. The Ukrainians certainly aren’t rolling over and have won some small victories, but the Russians are nevertheless at the threshold of Kyiv and may take the city soon. They are advancing on all fronts, especially in the south.
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Putin hasn’t even sent most of his forces in either . I think while he isn’t finding the success he wants with the smaller forces he sent in , it was still the smarter thing to do . Why expend all your forces when a smaller force can do the job ? Anyways who’s going to Ukraine with me ?
 
Lickwx said:
Putin hasn’t even sent most of his forces in either . I think while he isn’t finding the success he wants with the smaller forces he sent in , it was still the smarter thing to do . Why expend all your forces when a smaller force can do the job ? Anyways who’s going to Ukraine with me ?
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Yeah, I also suspect the Russians could’ve unleashed a much more severe bombing campaign than they have, but they don’t want to reduce the cities they’re trying to conquer to rubble if they can help it, plus it would make international perception even worse. They’re somewhat trying to reduce collateral damage and civilian casualties, though being the Russian army I’m sure there will still be a ton.
 
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