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Arcc said:
I kind of believe Downeastnc was right about the Ukraine army and all. It almost appears that Russia is trying to quickly get them to agree to terms and avoid awas even written about in the art of war really bloody fight that Putin probably wants to avoid.

Maybe Russia does not have much modern state of the art equipment.
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This is always the goal. It is has even been written about in the art of war.
 
Can we just focus on the war. Our President is Biden, nothing about the previous administration changes what's going on now. You better pray and support Biden and the current administration because there's a lot of tough choices ahead. This is America we should all unify against a common evil.
 
VegasEagle said:
This is always the goal. It is has even been written about in the art of war.
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Yeah that post came out like “duh”. I guess what I’m trying to say is maybe Putin really is worried about the consequences of large Russian loses and perhaps they can’t just shock and awe like I tend to believe the Russian military is supposed to be able to do.
 
EastNcHeel said:
Oddly enough you liked the both the posts blaming/referencing Trump and or posters here. Weird for somebody claiming to be apolitical.
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Much like scrolling through Instagram or Twitter, I mindlessly like posts. I tend to like posts that are otherwise being attacked.
 
Zander98al said:
Can we just focus on the war. Our President is Biden, nothing about the previous administration changes what's going on now. You better pray and support Biden and the current administration because there's a lot of tough choices ahead. This is America we should all unify against a common evil.
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I believe the most likely thing is that the west will bluster and slap a few wrists but not do anything meaningful in themselves of getting involved. Russia will take Ukraine and life will go back to normal for everyone else. Eventually, China will get Taiwan and we'll get a sort of repeat of this movie.
 
Rain Cold said:
I believe the most likely thing is that the west will bluster and slap a few wrists but not do anything meaningful in themselves of getting involved. Russia will take Ukraine and life will go back to normal for everyone else. Eventually, China will get Taiwan and we'll get a sort of repeat of this movie.
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No, we are obligated to protect Taiwan . We were never under any obligations with Ukraine .
 
Rain Cold said:
I believe the most likely thing is that the west will bluster and slap a few wrists but not do anything meaningful in themselves of getting involved. Russia will take Ukraine and life will go back to normal for everyone else. Eventually, China will get Taiwan and we'll get a sort of repeat of this movie.
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That seems the most likely outcome. My guess is right now western leaders are pleading with Ukraine to seek a deal with Russia.
 
Arcc said:
I kind of believe Downeastnc was right about the Ukraine army and all. It almost appears that Russia is trying to quickly get them to agree to terms and avoid a really bloody fight that Putin probably wants to avoid.

Maybe Russia does not have much modern state of the art equipment.
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There equipment is ok but the soldiers well they are young and inexperienced.....look Russia has the numbers, nothing can change that, but this is no walk in the park for the Russians, they have lost a lot, though admittedly its hard to tell just how bad its been for them. They can encircle all the major cities they want, but they cant take them and they know it. I also think Putin greatly under estimated the Ukrainian resolve, I think in his mind there would be lots of people waving little Russian flags welcoming them back, thats not the case.

There are impressive protest breaking out all over Russian and Russia controlled countries......their economy is wrecked, they are losing more than they expected I am sure.....they have not even fully taken the two regions they claimed they were there to protect because the Ukrainians are so dug in there. Nothing is going well for Russia here, the real question is do they accept that this is to big a bite to chew and back off or double down.
 
Downeastnc said:
There equipment is ok but the soldiers well they are young and inexperienced.....look Russia has the numbers, nothing can change that, but this is no walk in the park for the Russians, they have lost a lot, though admittedly its hard to tell just how bad its been for them. They can encircle all the major cities they want, but they cant take them and they know it. I also think Putin greatly under estimated the Ukrainian resolve, I think in his mind there would be lots of people waving little Russian flags welcoming them back, thats not the case.

There are impressive protest breaking out all over Russian and Russia controlled countries......their economy is wrecked, they are losing more than they expected I am sure.....they have not even fully taken the two regions they claimed they were there to protect because the Ukrainians are so dug in there. Nothing is going well for Russia here, the real question is do they accept that this is to big a bite to chew and back off or double down.
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Have you ever had the pleasure of dealing with a psychopathic lunatic who is Jonesing for glory? Rhetorical question and hope I've miscalculated ...
 
Rain Cold said:
I believe the most likely thing is that the west will bluster and slap a few wrists but not do anything meaningful in themselves of getting involved. Russia will take Ukraine and life will go back to normal for everyone else. Eventually, China will get Taiwan and we'll get a sort of repeat of this movie.
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Its the downstream affects of this that are dangerous for America. This all boils down to energy and Russia and China's long held desire to devalue the dollar by any means necessary. We have the ability and the resources to control and stabilize our energy independence and we have the ability to loosen the stranglehold China has on our economy. Europe has a problem NOW. Ours is just down the road but unfortunately our country is not united in that belief
 
Not sure of the accuracy of this but seen other posts similar to this. Compared to Ukraines 123 or so casualties Russia has suffered a lot more
 
Zander98al said:
Not sure of the accuracy of this but seen other posts similar to this. Compared to Ukraines 123 or so casualties Russia has suffered a lot more
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Ukraine is going to grossly underreport their own casualties and grossly overstate Russia’s. Wouldn’t believe any numbers they’re putting out. Same goes for any numbers Russia puts out.

Definitely no way Ukraine has a 30:1 kill to death ratio.
 
superjames1992 said:
Ukraine is going to grossly underreport their own casualties and grossly overstate Russia’s. Wouldn’t believe any numbers they’re putting out. Same goes for any numbers Russia puts out.

Definitely no way Ukraine has a 30:1 kill to death ratio.
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Idk might be surprised sometimes it's easier to be on the defending side than on the offensive, native Ukraines have terrain advantage
 
Arcc said:
I kind of believe Downeastnc was right about the Ukraine army and all. It almost appears that Russia is trying to quickly get them to agree to terms and avoid a really bloody fight that Putin probably wants to avoid.

Maybe Russia does not have much modern state of the art equipment.
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Perhaps he had to sttike to save face and not look weak but he didn't want to go full takeover. Sort of like a schoolyard fight where the kid pulls the punch just enough to not do too much damage but still make connection. Lots of protests at home for putin
 
superjames1992 said:
Lots of smoke about this, so I suppose there may be truth to it. God help the people there if they Russians go all out with a bombing campaign. The Russians don’t have the best precision munitions…
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I guess my question is how bad will it be? London blitz? Bombardment designed for psychological effect? I’m hoping the capital doesn’t just get leveled.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
I guess my question is how bad will it be? London blitz? Bombardment designed for psychological effect? I’m hoping the capital doesn’t just get leveled.
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In Iraq, we hit all core government buildings, utilities, C2, some university targets and obviously anything else to do with the Govt’s ability to govern. My guess is we will see something similar here, maybe a little smaller in scale than that opening night ~20yrs ago.
 
Poimen said:
I don't get this sense at all. I think the west is preparing to fuel an insurgency in the long run. Assuming Ukraine loses the initial war, they will want to make this the next Afghanistan.
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Personally i think western europe wants stability in ukraine whoever is running it.
 
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