Downeastnc
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No its stuff Trump says out loud....the stuff you ignore.
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Presidential Election 2024
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No its stuff Trump says out loud....the stuff you ignore.
Brent
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This is what I'm struggling with I mean don't get me wrong I hope Harris loses too she has run a terrible campaign but I feel still very much like this is her race to lose. Women are outraged about abortion and don't care about anything else and if the Trump voters don't turn out in epic numbers yeah he's screwed imo
GolfishardIknowit70
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We need whoever is best for the country. We the USA are alot different than most countries in how they run their government. It is what it is.
I'm also thinking strategically about 2028 too with my decision.
Trump will not only term-limited (plus he'll be too old), but also, Democrats will have the opportunity for an open primary, whereas Kamala's incumbency may ensure she's in office through 2032 (which is a *LONG* time).
I don't agree with RFK Jr. on everything, but that was part of what went into his calculus with backing Trump, much to the chagrin of establishment Dems.
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And the single issue abortion voters really befuddle me.
Now don't get me wrong. I am pro-choice and I hate that Roe v. Wade was oveturned.
Thar said, even if Kamala wins:
1. Dems had 50 years to codify Abortion at the federal level and didn't.
2. There's a possibility that she'll still have a Republican-majority Senate to work with or even a Republican-majority Congress altogether (similar to Bill Clinton in the 90s). So nothing to protect abortion rights will get passed under her administration any way.
3. The Supreme Court which overturned Roe v. Wade in the first place isn't going anywhere for at least for the next decade and Kamala can't do anything to change that.
4. Abortions are still legal, to some extent or another, in the vast majority of states.
But beyond all of those point, IMHO, it really shows a selfish and/or privileged mindset when you're willing to re-elect an administration that could potentially lead us into WWIII, has been responsible for numerous policy blunder that produced a decades high rate of inflation and has refused to do anything meaningful to fix our border crisis over a single issue they realistically won't (or can't) fix to your satisfaction.
Avalanche
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If you wanted Bernie, I think Kamala won’t get you there, but she will be close. If I was a Bernie supporter, I’d vote for her.
Even if that were true on its face (I tend not to believe so for a number of good reasons), I have several deeply personal reasons in addition to those that are policy-related to not vote for Kamala.
But that's just me.
Is it because she is completely insignificant as a human being, a useless prop representing the cabal that actually runs the country, never won a primary, or that she slept her way into positions of power?
WXinCanton
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This Iowa poll is LOL. Hail Mary!!
Those things are cherries on top for sure, lol...
But honestly, not even those things are a dealbreaker for me and I'd be willing to overlook them if Kamala had a more principled stance on the issues I prioritize and her defenders (I won't even call them supporters, because it's really just an anti-Trump vote for them) weren't so obnoxious the past 8+ years...
Brent
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Yeah I know several Harris supporters who are so disappointed with her policies(again it's more because she's not Trump)
If Trump would just be more Presidential this wouldn't even be close. That's what is driving me crazy about this but no his closing statements is all about revenge or what not
Chattownsnow
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His tariff policy is a joke. You want out of control inflation and an economic downturn look no further than this. The man does not know how tariffs even work or if he does. He’s lying about how they will affect every day people.
Yeah it's almost like people forgot that he crashed the economy last time, And who knows why Biden kept some of the tariffs on China.
Drizzle Snizzle
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Trump has only himself to blame if he loses in my opinion.
Empirical evidence from January 2017 through February 2020 doesn't support your assertion...
Brent
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Like I get it we know you were shot and impeached and all this but if you wanna win the election you have to convince people to vote for you and I know a couple people not even voting because everyone has been so negative like come on
I tend to agree, although I do think he will win in the end.
For one, I still believe his support is being understated in the polls (as it was in 2016 + 2020), even despite him being virtually tied with Harris on paper right now.
Second, the early voting numbers look favorable for him between the big drop off in Democratic votes from 2020 (suggesting many people are sitting at home) and the surge in GOP early votes.
Drizzle Snizzle
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You are right, Trump should win in a landslide if he didn’t say stupid things. But he doesn’t know how to control himself.
I will eat my pants and delete my account if Trump wins. Kamala is likely to take GA, NC, MI and WI. 90% she wins. 10% it’s a blowout win with unexpected wins in states we are not discussing. I will be having a bojangles watch party with celebrations invited to a select few on here bare with me.
WXinCanton
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You must post video of eating said pants before you leave
Chattownsnow
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If you decide to apply tariffs to EVERYTHING coming out of China you are going to see remarkable inflation. Just look it up don’t trust my words. Tariffs make sense in a lot of ways. But not as a source of revenue and not on things that we do not have the infrastructure in place to already sell and make home grown.
Chattownsnow
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100% agree. He has done nothing to gain support since 2020. There was the whole Jan. 6th thing though that is sure some non-republicans were inspired to vote for him by though
Chattownsnow
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Show me? You have statistics? Because I do.
“Before accounting for behavioral effects, the $79 billion in higher tariffs amounts to an average annual tax increase on US households of $625. Based on actual revenue collections data, trade war tariffs have directly increased tax collections by $200 to $300 annually per US household, on average. Both estimates understate the cost to US households because they do not factor in the lost output, lower incomes, and loss in consumer choice the tariffs have caused” https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-biden-tariffs/
Chattownsnow
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thinks it’s important to also state that I am not apposed to tariffs over-all. Infact these tariffs were kept in place and sometimes expanded under Biden. They were necessary in a lot of ways and the tax burden was out weighed in my opinion by the benefit of putting steel, electronics such as semiconductors, and washing machines made in the USA the option that was often more affordable because tariffs made these things more expensive to import. What Trump is proposing here is an absolutely moronic idea. It would place tariffs on things we have no other option to purchase, driving up the cost on those things for US substantially. There’s no way around it
GoDuke
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watching all those pos rtard politicians cowering in fear made me a happy man. J6 is one of my new favorite holidays. I love J6 and the man that delivered it. Donald J Trump, my and your new daddy come Tuesday.100% agree. He has done nothing to gain support since 2020. There was the whole Jan. 6th thing though that is sure some non-republicans were inspired to vote for him by though
Now compare those numbers to real wage increases during the same period.
Chattownsnow
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Elon Musk himself said Trumps tariff proposal would bring hardship to Americans and cause a downturn in the economy as he proposes it. LOOK IT UP. HIS OWN WORDS. he said long term it would be beneficially as it promotes “make it in America”. But to just do it like this, all at once, could be devastating to the economy.
It reminds me of republicans screaming that democrats pushing EV’s and mandates, tax credits would destroy the auto industry. Yeah it would if you did all that without easing into it with infratructure in place to expand it properly.
It reminds me of republicans screaming that democrats pushing EV’s and mandates, tax credits would destroy the auto industry. Yeah it would if you did all that without easing into it with infratructure in place to expand it properly.
Chattownsnow
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Are you saying wages increased because of the tariffs? Somehow I doubt they are correlated
My point is those numbers are insignificant when real wages are increasing for average Americans. Free foreign trade benefits shareholders and corporate interests only. We have to take the hit to get back on track, and $625 is an insignificant hit.
Downeastnc
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She has never missed by more than 5 pts.....so even if she is off 6 pts that still means Trump is only up 3 pts in Iowa, if he is only up 3 in Iowa he loses NC,WI,PA, and MI....
Boy you guys are sure hung up on tariffs. Tariffs tariffs tariffs tariffs tariffs tariffs. They didn't destroy the economy last time and they won't this time.
Shaggy became invisible when pressed, but maybe you can help out here: Why is it good to support Harris' tax on unrealized gains plan? Tell me how that will benefit all of us and not lead to an unprecedented economic disaster?
Chattownsnow
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You may not have seen my follow up message because I actually 100% agree with this. My point is that the tariff proposal he has now would be WAY over the top. The hardship on Americans would be exponentially worse under his current proposal. Those statistics show that tariffs are a burden to tax payers and most Americans. They would be MUCH WORSE under his plan going forward
Downeastnc
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High turnout is not typically good for the GOP.....
Chattownsnow
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Honestly it’s the only policy I’ve ever heard from him so I don’t even know what else to talk about because everything else is stupidity trans crap. Arnold Palmer’s junk, Biden being tired, kids getting sex changes at school, or how big his rallies are.
Downeastnc
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Anyone in here make 100 million a year? If so then I am sure they will be fine if they have to pay a little more in taxes....this is something that will literally effect like one half of one half of one half of a percent of Americans...and it will never be implemented as is anyways.
Chattownsnow
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Do you have a net wealth of over 100 million dollars? Because that’s who it applies to. done. Now you’re up
Chattownsnow
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I mean those taxes would go to things taxes go to. I don’t foresee that really harming multimillionaires a whole lot. I see it benefitting us. Unrealized gains for them are on stocks, ect. That almost never sold and just inherited by whatever firm they own or past on to some other holding company. They make money from dividends and selling and diversifying and reallocated funds based on market patterns and what-not.
Chattownsnow
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Not only that, once you sell the asset, you get credited whatever you already paid from the unrealized gains of that asset. You would not be taxed again because you sold, unless of course the asset increased in value, but you would be credited the tax you have paid. It’s a way to keep the mega rich from pushing back paying, and/or using loop holes and fudge their books and avoid taxes at all. There is no way around this tax proposal and it’s actually very clever. The goverment gets those taxes NOW, and reliably to use towards goverment spending
This post and the one from Downeast proves a lack of understanding of basic economics, and greatly reduced your credibility on this issue.
Do you think people with over $100 mm have it all under their mattresses? What do you think will happen when Uber wealthy people, institutions, financial entities, etc. have to start paying taxes on all of their unrealized g/l? Lol you've got to be kidding me
Chattownsnow
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I mean when you dig down
I think they will FINALLY be paying taxes at a percentage that reflects what you and I actually pay. That’s what I think
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