pcbjr
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Really, study 3rd century Rome, and then do a bit of the same on 4th century ... parallels are uncanny ... but back to weather for now ...
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No greater point showing this than immigration. The democrats want the votes, the GOP want the cheap labor. Neither side wants to change anything because it fires up their base and we end up with mass illegal immigration with the ability to pay them sub-par wages with no chance of upward growth just because it is better than what they had. It's sad all the way around.
Lot of truth here. They all want to stay in power, therefore they cant solve the issues or else, in their mind, their existence is no longer needed. And there is unfortunately some truth to this.... consider when the GOP had control of the house, Senate and WH yet couldn't pass immigration reform, now that Dems have the house it's back to pointing fingers. They were cowards when they had control, fearful they'd lose votes. Along similar lines I'm also convinced the left keeps certain groups of people down so they think they need them, just to stay in power. It's why the dems are scared to death when the economy is good and unemployment is low, people start to realize they can take care of themselves and don't need the Gov't. They use educational institutions to propagate their delusional message, the world is against you, you can't make it on your own, your failing because of your race or where you came from, this group or that group hates you, without Gov't assistance you can't survive.... and then, we understand, we support you, vote for me and I'll give you everything you need. Wash, rinse, repeat...
Again it's why we have Trump, many people were just sick of the political spin cycle
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I see the left has gone all in on it's gun grab platform now.... let me throw out a few points:
1) The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting, no one on either side of the debate should ever use this argument
2) Without the 1st and 2nd amendments all other amendments are futile
3) There is no gun that is specifically an "assault weapon", fact is any weapon used to assault another individual is an assault weapon (knife, bat, hammer, fist, just to name a few)
4) There are enormous gun laws on the books now, either they aren't followed (more times than not), enforced or incompetence/laziness renders those procedures useless
5) Evil is real and evil will find a way
There are over 35K inmates in some 56 prisons across the state of NC alone, no one has a gun inside those facilities, not even the employees. Yet assaults inflicting injury and death occurs every month, inmate on inmate and unfortunately inmate on employees (obviously never a gun utilized).... maybe it's a loose example, but my point is when one wants to carry out horrific atrocities they improvise by any means necessary. Mass killings have occurred all across the world since it's very existence but guns are the only weapon of choice targeted as the "culprit", never the individuals responsible. Don't let the left fool you, it's not about "safety for our children" (which by the way, safety for my children, me, my family is why I carry) it's more about disarming a citizenry. Government can never have full control unless they disarm it's citizens first.
1) The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting, no one on either side of the debate should ever use this argument
2) Without the 1st and 2nd amendments all other amendments are futile
3) There is no gun that is specifically an "assault weapon", fact is any weapon used to assault another individual is an assault weapon (knife, bat, hammer, fist, just to name a few)
4) There are enormous gun laws on the books now, either they aren't followed (more times than not), enforced or incompetence/laziness renders those procedures useless
5) Evil is real and evil will find a way
There are over 35K inmates in some 56 prisons across the state of NC alone, no one has a gun inside those facilities, not even the employees. Yet assaults inflicting injury and death occurs every month, inmate on inmate and unfortunately inmate on employees (obviously never a gun utilized).... maybe it's a loose example, but my point is when one wants to carry out horrific atrocities they improvise by any means necessary. Mass killings have occurred all across the world since it's very existence but guns are the only weapon of choice targeted as the "culprit", never the individuals responsible. Don't let the left fool you, it's not about "safety for our children" (which by the way, safety for my children, me, my family is why I carry) it's more about disarming a citizenry. Government can never have full control unless they disarm it's citizens first.
SimeonNC
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Don't forget that most gun crimes are committed with handguns, the least likely to be banned.
Also, most gun deaths in America are suicides which says that instead of targeting guns we should improve mental health treatment, same works for a lot of mass shooters.
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Great points and exactly right. They never mention suicides in their numbers, again a means of taking advantage of the uninformed voter. And yes MH is a huge issue that is never the focus.....hmmm it's almost as if they don't want to solve the issue.
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Brent
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lets not forget all these mass shootings that make the news always happen in gun free zones...
snowlover91
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Excellent points and look at what's happened in Venezuela. Since the government took away the ability for citizens to defend themselves they now have no means to overthrow the dictator there. Look at what's happened with Antifa in Oregon. That's a sample of what the left wants in the future if/when they are successful in disarming the American public. I have no doubt these demonstrations where the Antifa beat people up are small scale "test runs" for the day the political activists hope to gain full control. Imagine a society where the thugs like Antifa do their bidding, the police stand by and law abiding citizens like you and I have no way to defend ourselves and our families. That's the goal of the left (socialism/communism) and the end result is disastrous if it is fully realized (China, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc. to name a few).
I would love to see Trump win again in 2020. I don't agree with everything he says or does but I think it's pretty clear he loves America, the economy is strong, he's trying to protect our national sovereignty/borders and isn't afraid to say what he thinks. I wonder what excuse the left will come up with if he wins in 2020? North Korea/China collusion? Voter fraud? A stolen election because we don't go by the popular vote?
pcbjr
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This thread is precipitously interesting ... and enlightening ... just hope we're all cool here ... 
SimeonNC
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I used to be a lot more moderate/left-leaning on gun control before I started researching and seeing how a lot of anti-gun people use fallacies. Such as appeals to emotion or scapegoating groups like the NRA.
Also, a lot of anti-gun activists if not all of them seem to have little to no actual experience around guns which makes their attempts at passing anti-gun legislation dodgy.
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Also, a lot of anti-gun activists if not all of them seem to have little to no actual experience around guns which makes their attempts at passing anti-gun legislation dodgy.
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pcbjr
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I will support and defend anyone's right to speak their mind (in fact I have made that defense in court a few times); speaking however does not equate with violence; if anyone comes to my front door to tell me they're here to liberate my home in the name of God knows who or what ... my 2nd Amendment rights will, if called for and necessary, speak instantaneously and loudly if not with deafening volume ... btw ... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ... in the heirarchy, life (including mine and yours) is the 1st (wonder why?) ... now, back to weather ...
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snowlover91
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This is getting out of control. Read this. Excerpt below.
“Antifa Plans Acid Attack on D.C. Free Speech Rally, Promises To Blind Attendees
Attendees at an upcoming free speech rally have been threatened with acid attacks via social media.
The threats were made on a popular right wing Telegram channel. A user with the name “POUND ON YOUR BOY” made several threats against the rally, prompting co-organizer Enrique Tarrio to contact the FBI and DHS, who are now planning to provide additional security to the event.
Over the course of about 10 minutes last night, the “POUND ON YOUR BOY” account asked how the D.C. event is “coming along”, and referenced muriatic acid multiple times.
According to Tarrio, the threat is especially dangerous due to the use of wax. Muriatic acid can be purchased in virtually any pool store or home improvement store, and is already dangerous on its own with the ability to cause minor burns, but can quickly be washed off with water. By combining the muriatic acid with wax, it will immediately form a film similar to candle wax on the injured person’s skin.
Tarrio explains that this could allow the burn to become severe, and even lead to the wax and acid entering the injured person’s blood stream and causing cardiac arrest.
“It starts with milk shakes, then it escalates to what happened to Andy Ngo, and now they’re threatening us with acid attacks,” Tarrio told Big League Politics, referencing the severe attack experienced by Ngo earlier today, when Antifa groups threw milk shakes at him and repeatedly struck and kicked him. “All because we want to defend free speech in Washington, D.C.”
Truly scary and what makes it worse is the Antifa does this in gun free areas where they know people will be defenseless. It’s about time this group of domestic terrorism gets investigated and people locked up... for a LONG time.
“Antifa Plans Acid Attack on D.C. Free Speech Rally, Promises To Blind Attendees
Attendees at an upcoming free speech rally have been threatened with acid attacks via social media.
The threats were made on a popular right wing Telegram channel. A user with the name “POUND ON YOUR BOY” made several threats against the rally, prompting co-organizer Enrique Tarrio to contact the FBI and DHS, who are now planning to provide additional security to the event.
Over the course of about 10 minutes last night, the “POUND ON YOUR BOY” account asked how the D.C. event is “coming along”, and referenced muriatic acid multiple times.
According to Tarrio, the threat is especially dangerous due to the use of wax. Muriatic acid can be purchased in virtually any pool store or home improvement store, and is already dangerous on its own with the ability to cause minor burns, but can quickly be washed off with water. By combining the muriatic acid with wax, it will immediately form a film similar to candle wax on the injured person’s skin.
Tarrio explains that this could allow the burn to become severe, and even lead to the wax and acid entering the injured person’s blood stream and causing cardiac arrest.
“It starts with milk shakes, then it escalates to what happened to Andy Ngo, and now they’re threatening us with acid attacks,” Tarrio told Big League Politics, referencing the severe attack experienced by Ngo earlier today, when Antifa groups threw milk shakes at him and repeatedly struck and kicked him. “All because we want to defend free speech in Washington, D.C.”
Truly scary and what makes it worse is the Antifa does this in gun free areas where they know people will be defenseless. It’s about time this group of domestic terrorism gets investigated and people locked up... for a LONG time.
The US is still one country, but it is and has been for awhile two nations (red and blue). Hatred for the other nation (blue for red and red for blue) is often greater than that for enemy countries. I know it isn't feasible but I sometimes wonder if most folks would be happier if the US were to break up into two new countries. It is a very sad situation.
Brent
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Honestly the way the other side continues to act(and especially if Trump does win again) it makes me wonder too
NCSNOW
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To support Gawx and Brent statements. Just look at the Nike Betsy Ross Shoe charade by Kaepernick. I been telling friends past couple of years to just wait, there will be a big push from the left to change American flag. This is a prime example. They want stop with confederate monuments, Thomas Jefferson statues, In God We Trust. Etc, never ends. Just keep chipping and chipping away.
snowlover91
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The US is still one country, but it is and has been for awhile two nations (red and blue). Hatred for the other nation (blue for red and red for blue) is often greater than that for enemy countries. I know it isn't feasible but I sometimes wonder if most folks would be happier if the US were to break up into two new countries. It is a very sad situation.
And here’s the thing, if you read about a lot of the hatred and violence that’s going on it’s coming from the left/activists and further incited by the news media selectively reporting these things with their own slant further dividing people on issues.
At the end of the day though you don’t see people on the conservative side forming mobs and beating people up like Antifa has been and continues to do. You don’t see them joking about a severed head of the president like Kathy Griffin did awhile back. And when something happens like the reporter Andy Ngo who was beaten up by Antifa you see people on the left throw out human rights/morality and instead claim he deserved it (as if that justifies it somehow) or somehow incited the violence (when video shows otherwise).
I’ve noticed over the years that it’s mainly people that are on the political left that are the ones pushing hate, labeling people they disagree with as racists and other names, and backing the groups like Antifa that are nothing more than domestic terrorists. I strongly disagree with these positions and actions of people on the left but you don’t see conservatives going around spewing this type of hatred and violence on a daily basis.
Think of all the people who have worn a MAGA hat and been attacked for it or the Democrats who have publicly said for people to heckle anyone who supports/works for Trump (specifically politicians and aides). My point in all this is that while our country is divided over political views, and it has been for awhile now, the main concern I have is the recent surge in violence and vitriol from the left towards anyone who disagrees with their viewpoints. This is supposed to be a country where we are free to express differing viewpoints but instead the left is trying to change it into one where you agree with them or else you’re racist, xenophobic and sexist if you don’t and deserving of violence/heckling.
The US is still one country, but it is and has been for awhile two nations (red and blue). Hatred for the other nation (blue for red and red for blue) is often greater than that for enemy countries. I know it isn't feasible but I sometimes wonder if most folks would be happier if the US were to break up into two new countries. It is a very sad situation.
Its coming, it may be 20-30 years away but it is coming.
pcbjr
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Rome - 3rd Century ...The US is still one country, but it is and has been for awhile two nations (red and blue). Hatred for the other nation (blue for red and red for blue) is often greater than that for enemy countries. I know it isn't feasible but I sometimes wonder if most folks would be happier if the US were to break up into two new countries. It is a very sad situation.
Yep telling them to harass them in the store, at the gasoline stations (Maxine Waters), at their home, confronting numerous GOP officials in restaurants, etc... attacking Sen. Paul, shooting at Republican congressional members on a softball field, faking racist attacks by men wearing MAGA hats (Chicago), the list of out right hatred goes on and on. The left has been chipping away at our countries foundation for years and now they have enough people here to basically go on a full attack to completely split this nation. And the media will fuel the flames, blaming conservatives on their 24 hour fake news spin cycles. Personally as much as it saddens me to say it, I don't see a reversal at this point and I'd rather see a split instead of libs having full control, disarming the citizens and rendering us useless.
I kind of see why politicians support liberal policies, as I've posted before, its really all about staying in power. But what I don't understand is why the people can't recognize conservative policies work, it's been proven time and time again. Tongue in cheek, I really do know why and no time to go in to that now.....all I'll say is evil is real and evil is at work but God is still on the throne.
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Rosie
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Any other reports on this?
Trump’s rally will be in Greenville, North Carolina on July 17 at 7 PM ET, according to his reelection campaign. Road trip??
Antifa is a major problem and is disgusting. So is AOC like when she compared the overcrowded border facilities to Nazi concentration camps. She’s horrible in so many ways. Then again, the far right is not at all immune to criticism as it also has its disgusting problem groups such as the very hateful neo-Nazis and scum like David Duke.
I don’t like extremes on either side. They’re all dangerous and bad news. Our country is as I said two nations that are getting further apart.
To be fair, I think I see why Rosie is asking for other sources. I didn’t initially pay attention to the source, “Big League Politics” (BLP). Had I paid attention, I would have questioned the source for bias. I’d like to see how some middle of the road sources such as AP, UPI, The Economist, Politico, and Roll Call cover this. From the middle of the road site, “Media Bias/Fact Check” (middle of the road because they have classified about as many sources as far left biased as they have far right biased based on my own count....their total body of work averages right down the middle), I found this assessment of BLP:
“Overall, we rate Big League Politics strongly Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to use of poor sources and promotion of conspiracy theories. (D. Van Zandt 8/2/2017) Updated (6/22/2018)”
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snowlover91
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There are a few dozen sites reporting it but most of them are citing the Big League Politics story since they were the ones who broke the story. I did see the daily beast, considered a left leaning site, reported on it as well. They have screenshots of the conversation and the event organizer is quoted as reporting it to the FBI and DHS. There are also a number of screenshots circulating throughout Twitter of the conversation and on Facebook as well... but since the threat was made via Telegram/social media it would be something that is hard to verify if it were a legitimate threat or just someone pulling a prank. However, it's not surprising either because the attack in Oregon they were carrying milkshakes laced with quick dry cement and the attacks have been increasingly violent.
Btw here is how the Daily Beast was rated on the website you mentioned.
"A factual search reveals that the Daily Beast has failed a fact check, however when brought to their attention, they issued a correction to the story. By issuing a correction they remain High for factual reporting.
Overall, we rate the Daily Beast Left-Biased due to story selection that favors the left and High for factual reporting based on proper sourcing. (5/13/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 8/01/2018)"
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Rosie
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Exactly!
I would never support the horrible group Antifa and their violence. However, I have to ask you if you’re aware of The Proud Boys’ leaders association with white supremacy and anti-semitism? I would not be proud to support The Proud Boys though I’m not saying you are.
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NoSnowATL
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All of these so called groups are fake news. Most get paid to rally, to start conflict and most call local TV stations to let them know where they are going to be. These rallies don’t work, they just divide the country even more. How about going to work, paying taxes and trying to improve yourself and family. I’m sick and tired of hearing and seeing this crap on tv.
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snowlover91
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I've heard of them and am aware of what they stand for. I don't support them or the Antifa. My point is that the threat by Antifa, if it is correct or acted on, is extremely dangerous with throwing acid milkshakes on people that could kill them or severely burn them or scar them for life. It doesn't really matter who the group is, I wouldn't wish that kind of torture or violence on anyone.
@GaWx and @snowlover91 I certainly don't support antifa or any hate group but there are some disturbing differences imo on how they are reported on or handled especially by the left. I also abhor the fact that neo-nazi white supremacy groups get lumped in with conservatives, they are extremist and have nothing to do with conservative values.
With that said, if any of these white supremacy hate groups attempted what antifa has actually been able to pull off in Portland, and other places to a lesser degree, there isn't a single city that would give their LEO agencies stand down orders. Maybe these orders haven't been given directly but they certainly aren't holding them accountable for not responding but if it were the other way around, police chief's heads would roll. There is clearly a double standard and both groups should be held accountable for their actions and put out of business as soon as violence erupts.
With that said, if any of these white supremacy hate groups attempted what antifa has actually been able to pull off in Portland, and other places to a lesser degree, there isn't a single city that would give their LEO agencies stand down orders. Maybe these orders haven't been given directly but they certainly aren't holding them accountable for not responding but if it were the other way around, police chief's heads would roll. There is clearly a double standard and both groups should be held accountable for their actions and put out of business as soon as violence erupts.
To add to this and with a little more local flare (from a NC stand point), the issue of confederate statues being defaced and eventually destroyed in several locations here but specifically Durham and then the most infamous one at Chapel Hill. I have no issue with voicing your opinion, you have a constitutional right to peaceably assemble and petition the government but you don't have a right to take matters into your on hands. Don't like the laws, then protest peaceably, petition the government, conduct grassroots efforts to elect those that you wish to have in office to change those laws..... I have no issue with that. But antifa was much involved in the destruction of the statues, several were arrested but never convicted, as if because their cause justified their actions... this is a horrible and scary road to be traveling down.
SimeonNC
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As someone who has somewhat followed and researched people like Gavin McInness(Proud Boys founder/leader), I wouldn't call him and his group outright white supremacists/anti-semites. Borderline far-right, sure but they don't even preach any kind of racial rhetoric, let alone white supremacy.
That is not a defense of them, just my opinion on what the are.
That is not a defense of them, just my opinion on what the are.
NoSnowATL
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Just what is controversial about a citizenship question on a census??
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Rosie
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Heard on the news that his rally is possibly illegal as he is only inviting his minions .
Judges legislating from the bench again. NC voters passed voter ID law last election only for a judge to overturn it. Liberal judges have no clue what a government of the people, by the people and for the people means, well yes they do.... silly me they fear the people therefore they must control the people.
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I don't mean to get all trix here, but former Proud Boys leader McInness and the Proud Boys org. are disgusting, hateful trash. Some of this is based on behind the scenes evidence. Don't be fooled:
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/proud-boys
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snowlover91
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This is the path of communism; two sets of rules. One for the political elite and their thugs and another set for everyone else. Our country is heading down that path and it’s pretty scary.
snowlover91
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And here’s a great example. If you haven’t seen the mini AOC videos I would encourage you to look them up. They are pretty funny and clean. Well, apparently it’s not okay to do this to someone on the left because she is getting death threats now.
"The Left's Harassment and death threats have gone too far for our family. We have been getting calls on our personal phone numbers," Martinez's stepfather Salvatore Schachter tweeted. "For our safety and for our child's safety, we deleted all Mini AOC accounts."
"The Left's Harassment and death threats have gone too far for our family. We have been getting calls on our personal phone numbers," Martinez's stepfather Salvatore Schachter tweeted. "For our safety and for our child's safety, we deleted all Mini AOC accounts."
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