SimeonNC
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Andrew Yang got screwed at the second debate, barely getting any time at all.
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SimeonNC
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Also, I think I am the oddball here politically. I am very left-wing economically but right-wing socially when it comes to topics like immigration, guns, abortion to a degree and so on.
Idgaf about politics, but at this point, enjoy the rest of the time before we get a new president, becuase things may change big time as in bad, or could stay the same, or even improve, i would honestly want to have trump back, and that’s just me, tbh I’ve felt comfortable as trump being president so far, even Obama, but some of these dems scare me a bit, I don’t keep track of this much but would y’all think joe Biden is somewhat similar to Obama ?
JHS
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Joe Biden and Tulsi Gabbard are probably the best the Democrats have at this point as far as most of our points of view are concerned.. Most of the others are way to extreme right now, but I'm almost certain one of them gets the nomination. Probably Liz Warren or Kamela Harris. The extremists will do everything they can to destroy Biden and they took a big first step last night.
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JHS
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Biden is somewhat to the right of Obama, but well left of any Republicans, especially Trump. Trump never should have got the White House because it has opened the door for the very far left Democrats. Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush would have been better for the country.
SimeonNC
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The left has been going kinda crazy since like 2014 but after Trump got elected, its like most of them went completely pyscho. The worst has to been when they targeted a bunch of high school kids for smiling, doing school chants and wearing MAGA hats.
True, that's part of the reason we have a President Trump right now. A large portion of the people who support don't like him personally, they just like that he shows what they perceive as strength and bullies anyone who opposes him. I remember seeing a poll from just last year that showed Hillary Clinton was still more unfavorable/unlikeable than Trump. I shouldn't have been surprised, yet it still blew my mind, the hatred runs deep for her.
I'm left wing economically and socially.
I'm not a Harris fan, but she did what she was supposed to do to bring down Biden last night.
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Bernie almost had me sold, until he pitched his non-detailed plan for funding universal healthcare in English rather than Spanish. He must not have gotten the memo.
I don't mean this mean, but Biden looked like he was 125 years old. Even Bernie looked young comparatively.
Re: Trump, he won because he was able to sell himself as a non-politician change agent. A great many people still have yet to realize how traditional politics have alienated the general public. People are sick of it. They are sick of being lied to about all of the same issues over and over. They are sick of having to work two or more jobs for a lower standard of living. They are sick of intervening all over the world. They are sick of globalism. Trump was able to capitalize on this. That's why he won. And this is only going to get worse. We are nearer the end of the Experiment than the beginning, I'm afraid.
Bingo.
Trump won because a majority of the US gave the middle finger to the current political state and it happened on the left when a chunk of them boycotted HRC and on the right when they shot down the GOP in the primaries.
I voted for Trump in the Republican primaries back in 2016.. I told my friends that I was doing it to give the middle finger to everybody in govt, and I used to be in the establishment type Republican at least I thought.
And I'm somebody that used to work in politics that's what I went to college and grad school for.
The recent HBO miniseries Chernobyl, while an excellent story, is a good representation of the USSR in the mid 80s. You can absolutely tell gen Y has no clue about what can happen when you start implementing socialism.
Of course he was, he has a stated position on just about every issue, is brilliant, and is generally more libertarian. They don't want him anywhere near the nomination. He claims his mic was off when he was trying to jump in, is it true, who knows?
SimeonNC
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I love how Trumps comment on busing is ticking off so many people lol.
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pcbjr
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In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
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snowlover91
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What did he say? Haven’t heard anything about that yet lol. It really doesn’t matter what he says, it’s always “bad” to most media sources haha.
So right now who does everyone think are the top 3 democratic candidates? I’m thinking Bernie, Warren and Biden are for now. I get the feeling they want Bernie to be the guy to challenge Trump because Biden makes too many mistakes and Warren does as well. I actually think Biden might would stand the best chance since he would probably moderate a bit to his real views if he becomes the nominee. I think he’s just trying to appear more liberal right now so he can have a shot... he seems to be a bit more moderate in reality though from what I can tell.
snowlover91
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Ah some very true words right here. It amazes me how so many people form opinions on politics and other controversial issues without actually deeply studying both sides and taking a position after doing the research. Colleges and their background/family life appear to be some of the main avenues that influence people into what they believe these days it seems.
pcbjr
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Same with weather and so many other aspects of life ...
I’m guessing he’s partially referring to that other wx BB’s political forum, where there are a good number of mainly far lefties who always act as if they’re mad at the world, cussing up a storm, etc. I really wonder if a lot of their apparent anger is kayfabe/an act because I don’t understand how one could stay so mad all of the time. It seems surreal to me. RC knows exactly what I’m talking about. He tries to be civil there and yet he’s treated as if he’s a monster. Simeon gets similar nasty treatment. This anger has been nonstop since that forum started years ago meaning it will never end. In contrast, political discussions here have been quite civil so far. Crossing my fingers lol.
The incident I think Simeon is referring to is that Trump was asked his opinion about busing from a few decades ago, which he thought was merely referring to a mode of transportation to school instead of a way to integrate schools related to civil rights:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...ing-just-way-get-people-schools-1446669?amp=1
I can understand thinking this is funny but why get so angry about it?
pcbjr
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Much more civil here ... but still gotta be careful ... 'cause if the thunder don't getcha then the lightnin' will ...
As of right now...
1. Bernie Sanders
2. Elizabeth Warren
3. Kamala Harris
I think Kamala Harris will end up taking Biden's slot as the moderate candidate, I still stand by what I said before Biden will flame out just like he has every other time he's ran for president.
EDIT: According to
https://time.com/5617826/primary-debate-biden-harris-poll-slips-10/
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The good thing for Biden getting hit hard now is how early it is, still 7 months before the Iowa caucuses. If this had occurred, say, 6+ months later, it likely would have been harder to recover from it. But now he has plenty of time to recover. He is a true moderate, the only Dem with a very long moderate record. There’s no consistent moderate record from Harris. The Dems best chance is to convince enough swing and independent voters to go Dem. Biden would be the perfect candidate for that.
Keep in mind that the polls and betting sites, just like the stock markets, tend to overreact in knee jerk reactions. Therefore, I expect a correction of some of that overreaction in the weeks to come.
It can’t hurt that folks like civil rights activist John Lewis are defending Biden. Hopefully, he and other civil rights folks will keep up this defense.
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Brent
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Trump continuing to make history... just crossed the border into North Korea briefly(first U.S. President ever) to meet Kim Jong Un again
this is crazy lol
what was supposed to be a 2 minute handshake has turned into a 45 minute summit basically
this is crazy lol
what was supposed to be a 2 minute handshake has turned into a 45 minute summit basically
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SimeonNC
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Yeah, the treatment I and others got on that forum was crazy. I have talked to people with way radical views than my own and have gotten way less vitriol than I have received on that forum. As I said earlier, I did not handle it well and let myself get too angry which led me to saying a lot of things I regret now.
Could you imagine driving 10 minutes to your polling station, waiting in line, then walking into a voting booth only to cast a vote for Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris? Woof
What if no one was allowed to be president that was a millionaire or billionaire? Would that fix any issues? And how different would the US be if this was law 100 years ago?
NoSnowATL
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I would rather a business man be president then a activist.
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More on Uncle Joe and why he will not be easily defeated: (note this was from before the debate)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.se...leged-gaffe-gives-Biden-boost-in-14047332.php
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.se...leged-gaffe-gives-Biden-boost-in-14047332.php
JHS
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I'm afraid our next President will be a lot like those angry people on that forum.
I wonder if we will ever get a president who makes fixing Congress their number 1 goal. Term limits. And that’s all they accomplish I would vote for them.
I've always wondered how you reduce congressional power if Congress has to vote to pass it. I'm guessing it's not going to ever happen.
pcbjr
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Reducing Congressional power would require an amendment to the Constitution; requiring Congress to exercise what it has been granted would require an act of God perhaps ...
Term limits are the largest problem right now. It will be hard for Congress to pass a law giving themselves term limits though. I say 10 years max in the house, and 12 years max in Senate
AJ Minter and the Braves got shelled in the 8th. Smh
snowlover91
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Meanwhile you have trash like this going on in Oregon and the mayor/police do nothing to stop this violence. Where is the outrage over this from the mainstream news media?
You know as well as I do, one of the problems is History just isn't taught anymore (accurate history I should say). And so many now a days don't know how to properly research history, they do a google search and begin reading the first thing that pops up and of course it's biased. It's sad really, young people today aren't being taught accurate history and any source they turn to for research is biased and unfortunately too many rely on the media for information. Which by the way all media has a bias today and is more political then ever, nearly every single tidbit of news is seen through the political prism it's nauseating.
I'm not sure if it's laziness or the enabler state we've created in our society (both go hand in hand) but so few think for themselves these days. Either it's easier to just ask someone for the answer instead of researching it to come to your own conclusions or they've been indoctrinated from day one that they can't think for themselves and must follow the masses.
I saw an article from I think it was MSNBC with the headline "GOP congressman advocates using wolves to eliminate homeless problem" or close to that. I clicked the article and it was about how he was warning the town about the dangers of wild animal attacks on the homeless due to that problem. It was amazing how many people was condemning him for "feeding them to the wolves" and never actually read the article but just went by the headline.
Our society is lazy and so easily set off no matter their political view.
All of this is on purpose. I don't care what anyone says. The political class and the main media outlets, both of which are owned by large corporations or corporate interests, want the population divided. That is the goal they operate against. Now you can legitimately debate why that is the case, but you can't deny the existence of it.
And the extension of this fact is why none of the main problems have ever been solved. You would think we were a country of cave men trying to figure out how to start fire. But we're not. There are solutions to all of these major issues. But the system needs the problems (and the people divided because of them) in order to function and keep the wealth and power safety in the hands of those at the top. It's no mystery why the debt and deficits continue to grow, interest rates remain low, and corporations are not returning growth and profits to employees....not to mention the stunning and rapid collapse of morality. Like I said before, it's the kind of thing that happens near the end.
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