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The thing about the bolded is that we are in some control over our lives. We makes choices daily that will shape the outcome of accidents. Wearing a helmet bike riding, seat belt when driving. These are things we do to control our lives to the best of our ability.

Where we start crossing lines IMO is when we take an attitude of "we have no control of our lives" and transition that into a public ideal on policy. When a policy position is pushed because you feel like what will happen will happen doesn't suit me and my attempt to do everything I can to stop the spread and protect not only my family but others as well.
I agree. I should have said with unseen things or things not in our control. Like cancers, illnesses, other peoples actions. Now if someone is reckless like drunk driving, jumping into traffic as some of the idiotic things then yes they could control their lives.
 
I agree. I should have said with unseen things or things not in our control. Like cancers, illnesses, other peoples actions. Now if someone is reckless like drunk driving, jumping into traffic as some of the idiotic things then yes they could control their lives.

Well we have control over our cancer and illness risk as well. What we eat, drink and smoke will all cause us problems and not doing those will lead to less. So even there we still have control over our health.

I get where you and your mom are coming from. Just be cautious in expecting others to feel the same or approve of what could be perceived as reckless to others.
 
You see this reflected in all the current polling showing Biden beating Trump just about everywhere......obviously can change but with the doubling down Trump is likely to do on these issues I dont see it changing much anytime soon...I will direct your attention to the Mar 18-19t h period which was the ONLY time Trump came out and admitted this would be bad and stuff had to happen to stop it and for a second he almost seem to show some empathy or the closest thing to that he is capable of and look at the polls......its not a coincidence.

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All religions need to be stripped of their tax exempt status. This is ridiculous and needs to be investigated. Much of this money is going right into the pockets of diocese that just paid out millions in settlements to sex abuse victims.....now thos dioceses are being made whole again on our dime.

Disgusting.

 

This is a great thread to read. Taxpayers should not pay for universities and schools that believe this. This is just leading to the open borders by liberals.
 
Trump SHOCK election poll: Black Lives Matter protests will get Trump re-elected (Jul 7, 2020 )


Thank you for this they really dug deep here. Yes I think NH and Minnesota is very much in play for Trump


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Walmart today cashless society is coming folks


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If these numbers are even close to accurate come Nov Trump will lose bigly......

"In the newest poll, which was conducted by Ipsos in partnership with ABC News using Ipsos’ Knowledge Panel, Trump's approval rating on his job dealing with the coronavirus dropped another rung, driven by plunging support among independents and even waning support among Republicans. Democrats have always been highly skeptical.

Trump's approval among independents lands at 26% in the survey, a sharp drop from 40% in mid-June, the last time the question was asked. Trump's disapproval among independents has risen to 73%, up from 59% in the June poll."
 
I’ll say this if Trump loses. America doesn’t care about riots and law and order. And if that’s the case that’s very sad!


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Well you are going to have those things regardless of who gets elected...…..

Well I mean Trump at least wants to keep police. Biden wants to defund them I’m much more afraid of the safety of people under Biden then I am under Trump


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If these numbers are even close to accurate come Nov Trump will lose bigly......

"In the newest poll, which was conducted by Ipsos in partnership with ABC News using Ipsos’ Knowledge Panel, Trump's approval rating on his job dealing with the coronavirus dropped another rung, driven by plunging support among independents and even waning support among Republicans. Democrats have always been highly skeptical.

Trump's approval among independents lands at 26% in the survey, a sharp drop from 40% in mid-June, the last time the question was asked. Trump's disapproval among independents has risen to 73%, up from 59% in the June poll."

How about this new poll.

"Worse still is Mr Biden’s mental health after some stumbling performances and public concerns that he may be suffering from the early stages of dementia have also had an impact.

According to the poll 55 percent believe he is suffering from cognitive problems and 44 percent say that it means they are less likely to vote for him while 58 percent think aged 77 he is too old to be President."

 
How about this new poll.

"Worse still is Mr Biden’s mental health after some stumbling performances and public concerns that he may be suffering from the early stages of dementia have also had an impact.

According to the poll 55 percent believe he is suffering from cognitive problems and 44 percent say that it means they are less likely to vote for him while 58 percent think aged 77 he is too old to be President."


People are stupid. Biden speaks with more sense than Trump ever has. Also do they not know Trump's age? If Biden is too old for them, Trump should be too.
 
Well you are going to have those things regardless of who gets elected...…..
Exactly and if liberals win house and senate. Then a republican will not win White House for many elections. We will become a one party nation due to the 22 million illegals that will be granted amnesty. Not one person here can say we will not become a socialist nation once the liberals take over which some on here want. It will definitely be different and I hope we do not turn out like other socialist nations have. So no complaining if we become a socialist nation from those that want it. This has nothing to do with Biden he is just a puppet. His VP choice will be the key Of what he really is.
 
Exactly and if liberals win house and senate. Then a republican will not win White House for many elections. We will become a one party nation due to the 22 million illegals that will be granted amnesty. Not one person here can say we will not become a socialist nation once the liberals take over which some on here want. It will definitely be different and I hope we do not turn out like other socialist nations have. So no complaining if we become a socialist nation from those that want it. This has nothing to do with Biden he is just a puppet. His VP choice will be the key Of what he really is.
Okay I'm going to remind you that you said this the next time you say you're going to vote 3rd party and that you're not voting for Trump or Biden. Ha
 
People are stupid. Biden speaks with more sense than Trump ever has. Also do they not know Trump's age? If Biden is too old for them, Trump should be too.

What would be stupid. is people voting for a candidate. who wants to defund police like Biden.


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Okay I'm going to remind you that you said this the next time you say you're going to vote 3rd party and that you're not voting for Trump or Biden. Ha
I’m not saying I will not vote for Biden. His VP choice will be the key. I will vote for a third-party if they have a good chance of winning and we were not being threatened with liberals taking over.
 
Exactly and if liberals win house and senate. Then a republican will not win White House for many elections. We will become a one party nation due to the 22 million illegals that will be granted amnesty. Not one person here can say we will not become a socialist nation once the liberals take over which some on here want. It will definitely be different and I hope we do not turn out like other socialist nations have. So no complaining if we become a socialist nation from those that want it. This has nothing to do with Biden he is just a puppet. His VP choice will be the key Of what he really is.

Yeah, and we know who they will vote for....Santa Clause and the liberals that give them our money, and yes could spell the end of Capitalism and the freedom we have to make the best of our talents and abilities in the marketplace.
 
I’m not saying I will not vote for Biden. His VP choice will be the key. I will vote for a third-party if they have a good chance of winning and we were not being threatened with liberals taking over.

I like the Ron Paul types. He recognizes our debt, devaluing dollar, and its future implications. However, he never gained much traction as there are too many voters that receive benefits. He will never get the liberal squad and leftist republicans. Wish people would've gave him more consideration.
 
You flip flop a lot.


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I have not flip-flopped I have been very steady on Not saying who I am voting for. Right now Trump has the lead but who knows he may not even make it till November. Biden also. There is so much time between now and the election how could anyone be for certain who they’re voting. We have debates still to hopefully see. That’s why I don’t understand your obsession with polls at this time. They mean nothing. If Biden was to pick let’s say a conservative as his vp? Would you seriously not consider him? If Trump does something really crazy would you really still vote for him? We have four months to see what all happens. The way 2020 has been that is a lifetime.
 
Not hard to see why Trump has dipped in the polls significantly. The worse COVID-19 gets again the lower he's going to drop. It's obvious he is trying to shift the narrative away from the virus.

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Polls absolutely mean nothing. They are all bias and history shows from many past elections never trust them.
 
lol which one of you demmy libs is going to pay my part?

 
I have not flip-flopped I have been very steady on Not saying who I am voting for. Right now Trump has the lead but who knows he may not even make it till November. Biden also. There is so much time between now and the election how could anyone be for certain who they’re voting. We have debate still to hopefully see. That’s why I don’t understand your obsession with polls at this time. They mean nothing. If Biden was to pick let’s say a conservative as his --? Would you seriously not consider him? If Trump does something really crazy would you really still vote for him? We have four months to see what all happens. The way 2020 has been that is a lifetime.

Biden will pick a far left black female. Most likely. Only way I don’t vote Trump is if the November election is cancelled. I won’t rule that out. But to me this election comes down to law and order and the safety of America. A socialist far left America is a dangerous America. Even you have said something similar


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