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It’s looking like schools will have hard time going back if they follow the Stupid corrupt CDC guidelines. My sis is on TN state education board. Here is some of the guidelines.
No cafeterias. All food has to be in brown bags. Kids will eat at their desk.
All desk 6 feet apart.
No changing classes. No teacher changing classes. All students and teachers stay in their classrooms all day. No teacher can leave kids unattended. If one has to go to bathroom they all line up 6 feet apart and go.
All desk aiming same way.
In MS and HS this is not possible because teachers are not equipped to teach multi subjects. They are geared towards one subject.
Buses most have every other seat on bus. Plexiglass installed between seats.
This is just some of the guidelines. Welcome to prison kids. All over a virus. This keeps up you will have mass revolts eventually. People are getting sick of it. I have heard 100% today where I have been say people will die we can’t make millions suffer for the ones that will die from this virus. Not my words today. This is actual several people saying this.
Somewhere down the line this has GOT TO STOP! They're going to drive us all the way to utter tribulation if they don't knock it the freak off!
 

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For a few laughs since someone mentioned he stands like a centaur with its hind legs missing, thought I'd do a little photo editing with the first thing I found.
 

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Somewhere down the line this has GOT TO STOP! They're going to drive us all the way to utter tribulation if they don't knock it the freak off!
I totally agree. I am sure the cdc guidelines will change as schools push back. No wonder the WH is ignoring them. We have stupid people running a lot of these and the states and cities. We also have sheeple that want to be slaves which encourages more of this complete idiotic behavior and rules and laws. I have hope Americans are waking up and seeing the liberal tyrants they are. If not then this dark path America is on will eventually lead to a revolution against its govt and amongst the people. It could be years but eventually it will happen unless we want America to end up like Valenzuela, Cuba, China, Russia. Even if not a revolution a total complete economic collapse will happen. Pretty eye opening that CA has had more suicides than the virus deaths that someone posted yesterday. Oh but that’s right. Their death helped save other lives. Only the ones that die from the virus matter. Everyone else losing everything and depression and suicides don’t matter. Their suffering saves lives some on here say. Can’t let the hospitals overrun. Instead layoffs at hospitals are better.
 
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Biden is an embarrassment to himself and the Democratic Party, at least as equal as Trump is to the Republican Party. As for Pelosi, she is just an embarrassment to all thinking humans
All politicians are losers these days.
 
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Well this is not working out to well. Just like shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed. Open up and let the chips fall where they may. Kids need interaction. Protect the higher risk but people dying alone is not right or humane. A friend lost his dad to a heart attack yesterday. He was not allowed to go in. He is suing for emotional distress. I don’t blame him. My uncle is in hospital for double pneumonia. No one can see him even his wife and kids. This is not the way people should be treated. It’s wrong and in humane. That’s truth!
 

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My church just sent out an email survey. Our parish has over 6,000 members. They are not resuming Mass until next Sunday, but want to accomade everyone, so they are asking when you plan to come (6:00 Saturday afternoon; Sunday 8:00, 9:30, 11:00, 7:00 PM); they say that they are/will be keeping it to a minimum of attendees with distancing, and will add more Masses if enough folks want a Noon Sunday, an earlier 4:30 Saturday in addition to the 6:00 PM, or other times as well ... that IMHO that is acting responsibly ...
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If the CDC is correct with their new estimated IFR of Covid, how fast does the media and Democrats pivot 180 degrees and start blaming the shut down and economic crisis on Trump?
To be fair, even if the CFR is 0.3-0.4%, if that were to infect 70% of the American population it would deliver approximately a 600k - 1 million person death toll, so it’s still pretty gaudy potentially (granted, it’s much better than seeing millions perish). Most have figured the true fatality rate has been under 1% for some time. Of course, the difference between 0.3% and 1% could be millions of lives, so that’s still a big range.

I also found it interesting how their predicted CFR for the under 50 population was nearly 0 (0.05% for symptomatic cases, 0.03% if you include asymptomatic cases). It certainly lends credence to the argument that we should try to get the less vulnerable among us (like myself) back to work and keep those more vulnerable sheltered for now. And definitely figure out something with nursing homes...

If we could achieve herd immunity via concentrating infections among the younger population somehow, you could presumably push down the fatality rate more before achieving herd immunity and keep fatalities lowered.

Of course, averting needing herd immunity at all would be ideal, but we’ll see how that develops. Perhaps the summer weather can buy us some time while new treatments or a vaccine are quickly developed, thoug I’m not getting my hopes up for any crazy breakthroughs too soon. I do find it interesting how the growth rate of the virus in Sweden has seemingly slowed despite them not being anywhere close to what I would expect herd immunity to be.

Granted, I’m not an epidemiologist; I’m just an amateur on a weather forum. :). I am a trained economist, though, so the economic impacts of this deal are something I’m a bit more familiar with (though I’m not a macroeconomist),
 
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To be fair, even if the CFR is 0.3-0.4%, if that were to infect 70% of the American population it would deliver approximately a 600k - 1 million person death toll, so it’s still pretty gaudy potentially (granted, it’s much barred than seeing millions perish). Most have figured the true fatality rate has been under 1% for some time. Of course, the difference between 0.3% and 1% could be millions of lives, so that’s still a big range.

I also found it interesting how their predicted CFR for the under 50 population was nearly 0 (0.05% for symptomatic cases, 0.03% if you include asymptomatic cases).

If we could achieve herd immunity via concentrating infections among the younger population somehow, you could presumably push down the fatality rate more before achieving herd immunity and keep fatalities lowered.

Of course, averting heeding herd immunity at all would be ideal, but we’ll see how that develops. I do find it interesting how the growth rate of the virus in Sweden has seemingly slowed despite them not being anywhere close to what I would expect herd immunity to be.

Granted, I’m not an epidemiologist; I’m just an amateur on a weather forum. :). I am a trained economist, though, so the economic impacts of this deal are something I’m a bit more familiar with (though I’m not a macroeconomist),
I've seen studies that say herd immunity may be reached between 10-20% due to a substantial part of the population being either resistant or immune. I'm like you just a lay person who finds this interesting, but that would explain the consistent pattern in all countries.

The data on under 60 has been really clear since Italy and SK. I think both of them were getting a IFR of 0.2-0.6% out of this group of known cases. If you factor in the 10x as many cases as those confirmed that articles have been saying for a month or so, it matches CDC perfectly.
 

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To be fair, even if the CFR is 0.3-0.4%, if that were to infect 70% of the American population it would deliver approximately a 600k - 1 million person death toll, so it’s still pretty gaudy potentially (granted, it’s much better than seeing millions perish). Most have figured the true fatality rate has been under 1% for some time. Of course, the difference between 0.3% and 1% could be millions of lives, so that’s still a big range.

I also found it interesting how their predicted CFR for the under 50 population was nearly 0 (0.05% for symptomatic cases, 0.03% if you include asymptomatic cases). It certainly lends credence to the argument that we should try to get the less vulnerable among us (like myself) back to work and keep those more vulnerable sheltered for now. And definitely figure out something with nursing homes...

If we could achieve herd immunity via concentrating infections among the younger population somehow, you could presumably push down the fatality rate more before achieving herd immunity and keep fatalities lowered.

Of course, averting needing herd immunity at all would be ideal, but we’ll see how that develops. Perhaps the summer weather can buy us some time while new treatments or a vaccine are quickly developed, thoug I’m not getting my hopes up for any crazy breakthroughs too soon. I do find it interesting how the growth rate of the virus in Sweden has seemingly slowed despite them not being anywhere close to what I would expect herd immunity to be.

Granted, I’m not an epidemiologist; I’m just an amateur on a weather forum. :). I am a trained economist, though, so the economic impacts of this deal are something I’m a bit more familiar with (though I’m not a macroeconomist),
I am a lawyer, with a Masters in economics, and having said that, I am totally clueless on the "right" course. I see people hurting financially; I see people hurting physically; I see the old "linear programming" approach ... and ultimately I see no clear answer ... my gut and the little brain I have says be wary of any panacea ... there has to be a mix that works and the point of equilibrium will be found/established ... but I hasten to say, that will not settle in over night ....
 
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If the CDC is correct with their new estimated IFR of Covid, how fast does the media and Democrats pivot 180 degrees and start blaming the shut down and economic crisis on Trump?
They will send more infected to the nursing homes to blame on Trump. Then they will say he hyped this virus up. It’s always Trumps fault. Everything is Trumps fault. The Trumpsters are the problem also we will be told over and over.
 
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I've had issues with him since he was quoted in that article laughing at those worried about the economy and him saying "It will be fine." I have no problems with him trying to save lives but he boxed himself in on the economic side and he knows it.
He did as many on here said and laughed. Both sides suffer no matter which path we take. We have to think about future and the cost. What has happened has happened.
 

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Nationwide Insurance has a major/massive region-wide claims processing center here in Hogtown; it is a beautiful, perhaps a 70 acre manicured campus with thousands of employees; they are shutting the facility down; only 150 layoffs however, and those are reported to be custodial and interior maintenance only; everyone else will stay in Gainesville and work remotely ... convenient cost cutting, or does a major insurance company see something in the data the rest of us are not privy to? Just a thought ...
 

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Nationwide Insurance has a major/massive region-wide claims processing center here in Hogtown; it is a beautiful, perhaps a 70 acre manicured campus with thousands of employees; they are shutting the facility down; only 150 layoffs however, and those are reported to be custodial and interior maintenance only; everyone else will stay in Gainesville and work remotely ... convenient cost cutting, or does a major insurance company see something in the data the rest of us are not privy to? Just a thought ...
My company Allstate, said to prepare for many home office positions to transition to home too which I already do when I'm not on the road.
 
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