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crecre9 said:
From the Coronavirus thread,
Matthew70, I'm sure you understand it is the right of all of us to criticize or even to "trash" America. Just because someone has criticism doesn't meant they should leave. The fact that you believe so reflects very poorly on you.
If you don't like people criticizing the country, maybe you should leave? /s
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Sure anyone can criticize this country but seriously a comment that the US is worse than any other country? Please. I can listen to people criticize this country sure. No reason for me to leave over that because I don’t let words ruin my thinking of what a great country I live in. Now someone that feels every other country is better and is miserable here. Not sure why they would want to stay here. There is plenty of countries for that individual to find happiness.
 
Poimen said:
No. In the example you use, the thermometer is the standard of truth. Someone thinks it’s hot or cold is opinion, not truth.

just because the US government says the terrorist is bad doesn’t mean it’s true. You and I may agree, but that’s not what makes it true.
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Nah, the terrorist wants to strike fear into the heart of the people in order to rule over them. That's what makes the terrorist bad. His entire world view is tainted by the lie he believes. He may be acting true to his beliefs, but it still causes him to be morally corrupt.
 
weatherfide said:
To bring this discussion about "truth" back to the conversation, I think the big question is "does the media report the truth?" or as we stated before, "can we trust the media to report the truth without bias"? I think we can all agree that most media outlets, certainly CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ABC, etc., are very biased in their reporting. They report some truth and leave out important pieces to spin the perception in their favor. They report hearsay and opinions as though they have the same weight as factual sources.

A large percentage of media companies and the people that work for them support socialist and Marxist "leftist" ideology. That is why I detest the media and do not trust the media. You have to learn to find the facts in multiple reports and then piece the "truth" together for yourself.
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weatherfide said:
Nah, the terrorist wants to strike fear into the heart of the people in order to rule over them. That's what makes the terrorist bad. His entire world view is tainted by the lie he believes. He may be acting true to his beliefs, but it still causes him to be morally corrupt.
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At the very moment he is burying an IED to kill US soldiers he believes in his perception of truth. When I put a scope on him and pull the trigger to end his life its a different perception of truth. Might be a bad example for some to comprehend but it was real life for me
 
Poimen said:
One of the many dangerous consequences is seen in this thread: some supporters of the president behave as if it’s un-American to criticize the president. Just like so many are quick to trash people who refuse to stand for the national anthem. I always stand, but I always thought that part of what makes American great is the freedom of expression. The moment we force people and the moment we forbid criticizing the president is the moment we become fascists or communists.
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People can criticize the president Or govt or this country. Difference is this. If someone lives in a neighborhood they detest or a house then do they stay there? If someone hates this country then leave. I am not staying somewhere I detest. Plus not standing for the flag for some stupid cause is ridiculous. The flag should not be used for something like police brutality. The flag represents the USA. It’s not for an individuals upset over something to protest using it. There are plenty of other ways for someone to make a statement or protest. Leave the flag outta it. America has many issues just as other countries but there is plenty of positives to outweigh the negatives. Freedom to worship any religion. Speak freely. Raise a family without suppressing. The list goes on and on. So what if everyone started using the flag to protest other things. Then the flag loses its meaning. I am not in anyway attacking you. I agree with you but people need to realize what America and the flag stands for. It’s a country and not a cause.
 
Sandbar said:
What I am saying is that the actual truth is meaningless. If I think 80 degrees is hot and you think 80 degrees is cold who is right? What is the truth? Its in the eye of the beholder just like I said!
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Neither of them are the truth as they are opinions, the only truth in that sentence is that it is 80 degrees outside because we can prove that to be true.......otherwise you are talking about two OPINIONS not truths.

There is no perception of truth, things that are true are true regardless of your perception.....the fact you blur these things explains a lot about your beliefs....
 
Poimen said:
That’s not how “truth is in the eye of the beholder” works. You are saying that truth is relative and is defined by individuals. Plenty of people believe that in our society, but the actions you describe are not indicative of said belief. If you really believe what you say, then you would have to admit that you have no right to kill the terrorist based on how the terrorist defines truth. After all, truth is in the eye of the beholder. Basically, you are arguing that there is no such thing as truth.
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I have a question. I want to ask my own pastor but am curious to your answer. We are raised to believe in Jesus. Other countries are raised with their beliefs. We as Christians are told to go to other countries to preach the gospel. The Bible tells most Americans it’s the truth. The Koran tells Muslims their truth. What makes the Bible truth over the Koran? In other words were telling them you were taught false information. You are wrong we are right. No wonder other countries hate America. We push our beliefs and ways on them. If we were raised in a Muslim country don’t you think we would think the Koran is right and the Bible is wrong. We believe the Bible is truth just like they believe the Koran is truth. Same with what media and govt tells us. Truth can be manipulated.
 
Matthew70 said:
People can criticize the president Or govt or this country. Difference is this. If someone lives in a neighborhood they detest or a house then do they stay there? If someone hates this country then leave. I am not staying somewhere I detest. Plus not standing for the flag for some stupid cause is ridiculous. The flag should not be used for something like police brutality. The flag represents the USA. It’s not for an individuals upset over something to protest using it. There are plenty of other ways for someone to make a statement or protest. Leave the flag outta it. America has many issues just as other countries but there is plenty of positives to outweigh the negatives. Freedom to worship any religion. Speak freely. Raise a family without suppressing. The list goes on and on. So what if everyone started using the flag to protest other things. Then the flag loses its meaning. I am not in anyway attacking you. I agree with you but people need to realize what America and the flag stands for. It’s a country and not a cause.
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Everything you rail against in this post is EXACTLY why this is the greatest nation on Earth.....the fact we as individuals can express our opinions freely regardless of how YOU feel about it is what makes this country so great.....you talk about the right to speak freely then whine about using the flag, you cant have it both ways.
 
Downeastnc said:
Everything you rail against in this post is EXACTLY why this is the greatest nation on Earth.....the fact we as individuals can express our opinions freely regardless of how YOU feel about it is what makes this country so great.....you talk about the right to speak freely then whine about using the flag, you cant have it both ways.
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It’s my opinion. Use the flag to protest fine. Just be ready for those that will not care for you when you do and look down on you. If going to protest using the flag then do it loudly. Just like Colin did. Now he sees what happens when one does. His actions of using the flag to protest or make a statement did nothing for his cause. He just brought detest to him as an individual. But you are right. We are free in America to protest how we like.
 
Shaggy said:
To be far less eloquent I would say if trump asked his believers/supporters to eat dog crap every day for the next 3 weeks a large % of them would only question if they need to use a fork or a spoon.
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Uncalled for but whatever.... I voted for him, I support him but I'm not a follower. These "they'd eat crap if he told them" is ridiculous but to each his own. This is why I really need to stay out of here....
 
Matthew70 said:
I have a question. I want to ask my own pastor but am curious to your answer. We are raised to believe in Jesus. Other countries are raised with their beliefs. We as Christians are told to go to other countries to preach the gospel. The Bible tells most Americans it’s the truth. The Koran tells Muslims their truth. What makes the Bible truth over the Koran? In other words were telling them you were taught false information. You are wrong we are right. No wonder other countries hate America. We push our beliefs and ways on them. If we were raised in a Muslim country don’t you think we would think the Koran is right and the Bible is wrong. We believe the Bible is truth just like they believe the Koran is truth. Same with what media and govt tells us. Truth can be manipulated.
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I believe Jesus is the truth as he said. He is/was the very embodiment of truth: God in human flesh. I further believe that his resurrection validates all of his claims and I believe there are very good reasons to believe in his resurrection. I also believe that the Bible is God’s inerrant Word and there are good reasons to believe that.

That does not make any of it true and I can’t prove any of it beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is, in the end, my belief based on an examination of the evidence.

If Jesus was resurrected, thus validating all that he said, then it follows that the Bible is true and Koran is not. Does that answer your question?
 
metwannabe said:
Uncalled for but whatever.... I voted for him, I support him but I'm not a follower. These "they'd eat crap if he told them" is ridiculous but to each his own. This is why I really need to stay out of here....
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To honest this board is not that bad. Sure there are trump supporters like you and a few others. None of you fall under this category I mentioned. I can show you another forum with a bunch of hunters and far right guys and you would see my post in a different light.

The fact there are people that believe this pandemic is a dry run of the govt testing how much they can seize says a lot. That thousands of foreigners chose to die to overthrow trump is beyond absurd. The whole Q crowd comes to mind as well.Anyone who parrots trumps words as the gospel fit my above description.

Again theres only 1 or 2 people on here that I would put in that category.
 
metwannabe said:
Uncalled for but whatever.... I voted for him, I support him but I'm not a follower. These "they'd eat crap if he told them" is ridiculous but to each his own. This is why I really need to stay out of here....
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This is what happens when negativity and hatred soil a persons brain......They have to justify there own shortcomings in some way so they push it off on somebody else. Overseas we called these people vampires. Soul suckers! LOL
 
Poimen said:
I believe Jesus is the truth as he said. He is/was the very embodiment of truth: God in human flesh. I further believe that his resurrection validates all of his claims and I believe there are very good reasons to believe in his resurrection. I also believe that the Bible is God’s inerrant Word and there are good reasons to believe that.

That does not make any of it true and I can’t prove any of it beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is, in the end, my belief based on an examination of the evidence.

If Jesus was resurrected, thus validating all that he said, then it follows that the Bible is true and Koran is not. Does that answer your question?
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Thank you sir!
 
metwannabe said:
Uncalled for but whatever.... I voted for him, I support him but I'm not a follower. These "they'd eat crap if he told them" is ridiculous but to each his own. This is why I really need to stay out of here....
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There are some interesting discussions in this thread but I've found the "Ignore" feature to be very useful !
 
Does anyone honestly think the media doesn't have some sort of agenda with all thats going on ? It's clear to me that the media would be happy if this virus lasted for another 5 years. They are loving the ratings. And of course they would probably be disappointed if the virus suddenly disappeared and the economy was getting better before the election. For example, I saw an article the other day that was bashing Trump. Hidden deep within the article was a bit of good news about how the projected death toll had declined significantly. But of course the media never likes to talk about any sort of good news. Could you imagine on the front page of CNN news an article with a headline saying the projected death toll had gone down. They thrive on negativity and anything bad. You will rarely see good news on the front page.
 
Dewpoint Dan said:
Does anyone honestly think the media doesn't have some sort of agenda with all thats going on ? It's clear to me that the media would be happy if this virus lasted for another 5 years. They are loving the ratings. And of course they would probably be disappointed if the virus suddenly disappeared and the economy was getting better before the election. For example, I saw an article the other day that was bashing Trump. Hidden deep within the article was a bit of good news about how the projected death toll had declined significantly. But of course the media never likes to talk about any sort of good news. Could you imagine on the front page of CNN news an article with a headline saying the projected death toll had gone down. They thrive on negativity and anything bad. You will rarely see good news on the front page.
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I don't think the majority of the media has an agenda with this unless it's the far right media (Fox, Breitbart, OAN) carrying the water for Trump trying to cover up his incompetence or the Far Left (MSNBC) who is probably spending too much time focusing on his blunders.
 
Matthew70 said:
Sure anyone can criticize this country but seriously a comment that the US is worse than any other country? Please. I can listen to people criticize this country sure. No reason for me to leave over that because I don’t let words ruin my thinking of what a great country I live in. Now someone that feels every other country is better and is miserable here. Not sure why they would want to stay here. There is plenty of countries for that individual to find happiness.
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Wow that went way over your head.
 
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