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Blue_Ridge_Escarpment said:
Gladly. Joe Biden, the VP at that time, told Ukraine that aid would be withheld unless the official looking into corruption of the company his son was on the board of was dismissed.
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Based on this and I think @LithiaWx knows this, it was the exact opposite of what you're claiming (Shokin was NOT investigating when he should have been):

"But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim."

"It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe."

"Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament."

"Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev."

"'Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation,' Kaleniuk said, 'but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go.'"

www.usatoday.com

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

Trump has claimed Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor in order to benefit his son. Former diplomats say the prosecutor wasn't doing his job.
www.usatoday.com
 
Rosie said:
Lots better than what we have.
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Rosie. If I may can I ask have you ever voted for a conservative/Republican? Have you always voted Democrat? I have voted for a Democrat before. I have always heard that some Democrats will vote for Satan himself if he said he was a Democrat. I am not meaning to sound rude at all. I just know most conservatives/Republicans will vote for a Democrat if they are solid.
 
LithiaWx said:
The planned attacks on joe so far seem pretty lame. The metoo is the best path the reps could take and all I hear is dementia and stuff his son did.
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Joes no different than the guy whos campaign you just abandoned this morning. Biden is a Democrat, Bernie was a Independent. Both are socialist, Bernie isnt ashamed to say what he is, Biden like all Democrats mask it . But make no bones the DNC platform is a soacialist agenda.
 
GaWx said:
Based on this and I think @LithiaWx knows this, it was the exact opposite of what you're claiming (Shokin was NOT investigating when he should have been):

"But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim."

"It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe."

"Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament."

"Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev."

"'Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation,' Kaleniuk said, 'but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go.'"

www.usatoday.com

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

Trump has claimed Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor in order to benefit his son. Former diplomats say the prosecutor wasn't doing his job.
www.usatoday.com
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Of course that’s what is being said now. Santa Claus is more believable than this.
 
NCSNOW said:
Joes no different than the guy whos campaign you just abandoned this morning. Biden is a Democrat, Bernie was a Independent. Both are socialist, Bernie isnt ashamed to say what he is, Biden like all Democrats mask it . But make no bones the DNC platform is a soacialist agenda.
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Why are you so black and white about this? You already said that moderates and socialists are the same. You've already implied I'm equivalent to a socialist just because I'm not supporting Trump, which is absolutely absurd.
 
GaWx said:
Wow, that's a lame defense Prove that the article I posted is inaccurate.
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So you’re telling me that Joe, whose son was on the board of a corrupt company, wanted the official fired because they weren’t looking into the company his son is a part of? We are supposed to believe that?! Lol come on.
 
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment said:
Of course that’s what is being said now. Santa Claus is more believable than this.
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Well one thing we know is the press and tv stations will praise Biden. I’m sure another impeachment will be sought right before election. One thing that is just crazy is this is the best the Democrats can come up with. Seriously put a good candidate forward and I will consider. One thing Biden will be asked is about gun laws. Say bye to any voters with guns. Will he propose free college educations? Never know Biden & Sanders might join! ?
 
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment said:
So you’re telling me that Joe, whose son was on the board of a corrupt company, wanted the official fired because they weren’t looking into the company his son is a part of? We are supposed to believe that?! Lol come on.
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The idea is that Joe wanted corruption in general to be investigated and that Shokin was not doing his job.
 
@GaWx you seem very reasonable.

from what I’ve read nobody has yet explained in detail with links to back up the claims joe Biden was directly involved with the burisma stuff.
 
Matthew70 said:
Well one thing we know is the press and tv stations will praise Biden. I’m sure another impeachment will be sought right before election. One thing that is just crazy is this is the best the Democrats can come up with. Seriously put a good candidate forward and I will consider. One thing Biden will be asked is about gun laws. Say bye to any voters with guns. Will he propose free college educations? Never know Biden & Sanders might join! ?
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no way, joe is center left big time. You guys can try and frame him as otherwise but it just doesn’t fit. There is zero chance he chooses Clinton or Sanders as his VP. Zero
 
NCSNOW said:
Joes no different than the guy whos campaign you just abandoned this morning. Biden is a Democrat, Bernie was a Independent. Both are socialist, Bernie isnt ashamed to say what he is, Biden like all Democrats mask it . But make no bones the DNC platform is a soacialist agenda.
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The word is progressive and joe Biden is not a progressive. And yes I abandoned Sanders. The writing is on the wall it’s Biden. The states ahead favor him bigly. Biden is center left and like it or not I think he appeals to center right republicans and certainly independents. This is going to be a wild ride till November. This will be super competitive .
 
Republicans need to focus on Bidens handsy stuff. The amount of video they could pull and run an ad on would be epic. That’s a legit issue and there is plenty of evidence to support it. I’m literally giving you guys a roadmap to take him down. Just watch it’s coming and it’s going to hurt him pretty badly.
 
LithiaWx said:
Republicans need to focus on Bidens handsy stuff. The amount of video they could pull and run an ad on would be epic. That’s a legit issue and there is plenty of evidence to support it. I’m literally giving you guys a roadmap to take him down. Just watch it’s coming and it’s going to hurt him pretty badly.
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Na it’s not needed to beat him. Trump can win straight up against Biden. You will disagree but that’s my opinion. The Republican base is stronger then the media shows. I wish y’all luck. It’s going to be dirty politics as always very soon.


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Anyone familiar with Biden's several decades as a US senator would realize his sentiment has been very middle of the road and that he would often work together with the GOP. He was one of the least partisan of either party! That's why he is one of the very few Dems I like politically. He can be the uniter this country can really use. Also, I like Joe as a person in general.

The stock market certainly isn't acting like he'd be a problem!
 
LithiaWx said:
The word is progressive and joe Biden is not a progressive. And yes I abandoned Sanders. The writing is on the wall it’s Biden. The states ahead favor him bigly. Biden is center left and like it or not I think he appeals to center right republicans and certainly independents. This is going to be a wild ride till November. This will be super competitive .
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Biden is connected to Obama. That alone will hurt him. Notice how race relations have eased since Obama left. His health care plan only drive rates up more. Other countries were not scared of us. He pandered to what other countries wanted. Was he a terrible president no. He was a ho hum type of president. Since Trump economy is better than ever. Taxes lower for all. Unemployment lower. Countries don’t push us around. Yes he runs his mouth to much but results speak.
 
GaWx said:
Anyone familiar with Biden's several decades as a US senator would realize his sentiment has been very middle of the road and that he would often work together with the GOP. He was one of the least partisan of either party! That's why he is one of the very few Dems I like politically. He can be the uniter this country can really use. Also, I like Joe as a person in general.

The stock market certainly isn't acting like he'd be a problem!
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We can see that. Unfortunately I think trying to unite this country is as lost case my friend. You are either one said or the other when it comes to the political poop. Sides don’t want to work together. The art of negotiation is lost and that sucks.


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GaWx said:
Anyone familiar with Biden's several decades as a US senator would realize his sentiment has been very middle of the road and that he would often work together with the GOP. He was one of the least partisan of either party! That's why he is one of the very few Dems I like politically. He can be the uniter this country can really use. Also, I like Joe as a person in general.

The stock market certainly isn't acting like he'd be a problem!
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I just don’t see why the Democrats keep saying this country needs unite. I don’t see any division from conservatives/Republicans. It’s the Liberals always saying this. Since day one they have and have tried to remove Trump from office. To me the country is fine. It’s the liberal media and people full of hate. This country was much more divided under Obama than is now. All we ever heard was about hate crimes.
 
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