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Because I'm never going to persuade you to step out of the echo chamber and listen to another way of seeing things. America is deeply divided because of our unwillingness to bend an ear and accept that another view different from our own may be a better way. I listen to Rush/Sean several times a week just to hear what the other side is thinking or at least what listeners of those shows are programmed to think.

I'm weary of the political divide. Almost regret posting in this thread because of the hostility that often goes with political discourse in these times.

Since you asked, Sanders is my first choice then Warren. I could hold my nose and vote for any of the other candidates apart from Bloomberg. The reason I support Sanders is that the dude has stayed on his message for 40+ years. When he recently said that we live in a socialist country - for the wealthy - that really resonated with me. It's what I've been thinking for many years.

I'm ready for the poor to see benefits of this amazing economy that is working so well for bankers, hedge fund managers, and the like. I especially want to know that everyone has health care no matter their employment status or income level. Yeah, that's gonna mean an increase in taxes on the super wealthy. Medicare for All would be super disruptive to the insurance industry, but dang, maybe some things NEED to die if they are ultimately causing more harm than good. Two years ago I waited 11 hours to be seen in the ER. I have excellent insurance through my employer (who owns the hospital I went to). I've had claims denied because of loopholes in coverages. Our healthcare system today sucks, it's over priced, bloated and has ridiculous wait times for critical services. ACA is propping up a corpse. The whole thing needs to go.

I like a few things that Trump has going on, such as at least *talking* about bringing manufacturing back and buying American made products. I don't even mind some of the protectionist economic policies he has. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I'd find a few other things I at least am partly ok with, but this hard working gal still believes he's got to go.
 
tractor girl you should never hesitate regret posting in this thread. Kudos to you for speaking your point of view. Of course some will agree with you, others like me want. Thanks for stating your opinion. We all try to up each other, make an attempt to jab , be funny at times. Its all in good faith.
 
NCSNOW said:
You writing in Brick Tamland, Shettley,Mack??
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Believing it's one or the other is mental slavery IMO.

I dont support the liberal fiscal policies but support their social policies in many cases. I could vote for a liberal just not one of the current lot running. I'm not trying to convince you to vote D because i dont plan on doing it myself.

That doesnt mean I have to like or support such a corrupt, inept, and unqualified Republican like trump.
 
Something to think about , when the left says medicare for all. My parents had / have that, Dad 81 and mom recently succumbed to altheimers. But both also had to get supplemental insurance. Hit doughnut hole with meds etc. So that medicare for all, is fools gold, we would all still need additional insurance, just wouldnt cover enough unless your in great health etc. Just my opinion, observation.
 
NCSNOW said:
tractor girl you should never hesitate regret posting in this thread. Kudos to you for speaking your point of view. Of course some will agree with you, others like me want. Thanks for stating your opinion. We all try to up each other, make an attempt to jab , be funny at times. Its all in good faith.
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What he said. The most important thing no matter if we are fearful, frustrated, mad etc., is that we are having the conversation. Ups, downs or whatever, we are all Americans and without communication we would get nowhere.
 
NCSNOW said:
Something to think about , when the left says medicare for all. My parents had / have that, Dad 81 and mom recently succumbed to altheimers. But both also had to get supplemental insurance. Hit doughnut hole with meds etc. So that medicare for all, is fools gold, we would all still need additional insurance, just wouldnt cover enough unless your in great health etc. Just my opinion, observation.
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That's an important distinction. M4A that isn't properly funded would absolutely be fools gold as you put it. Put enough funds in the system and it will work as well as most other public-funded healthcare systems in the world. It's when people sabotage systems due to greed or financial gain that they tend to not work very well.
 
NCSNOW said:
Something to think about , when the left says medicare for all. My parents had / have that, Dad 81 and mom recently succumbed to altheimers. But both also had to get supplemental insurance. Hit doughnut hole with meds etc. So that medicare for all, is fools gold, we would all still need additional insurance, just wouldnt cover enough unless your in great health etc. Just my opinion, observation.
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Would we even be able to get supplemental ins. at that point or would those companies be brought down?
 
Wildboutsnow said:
Would we even be able to get supplemental ins. at that point or would those companies be brought down?
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Private ins would still be available. But since the vast majority of folks would be under M4A, the market would be signifigantly smaller - so not as much need, a lot of those ins companies would probably go out of business (just like the carraige manufacturers did)
 
Who to vote for isnt complicated in my opinion and I have always made it real simple even while spending the majority of my adult life fighting a war. Is my family better off than it was 4 years ago? Was the answer to that question due in part to who I voted for, the person looking at me in the mirror or a combination of both. My dad, a veteran himself gave me some advice a long time ago. He told me to always trust my gut instincts, to love my country, my family, and to serve my God first and foremost. He also taught me to keeo my emotions in check when making decisions big and small.

Trump checks the boxes that are important to me and my family and that's all that really matters. I gambled on the man and that gamble paid off and will continue to pay off. If for some reason it stops paying off I can assure you that this ole frogman can indeed lift myself up by my bootstraps!
 
Shaggy said:
Believing it's one or the other is mental slavery IMO.

I dont support the liberal fiscal policies but support their social policies in many cases. I could vote for a liberal just not one of the current lot running. I'm not trying to convince you to vote D because i dont plan on doing it myself.

That doesnt mean I have to like or support such a corrupt, inept, and unqualified Republican like trump.
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I still cant fathom how we as a nation ended up thinking HIllary and Trump were the two best options for President....it truly amazes me that in a nation as great as this those two idiots were the most viable options voters had......
 
Let’s consider the highly unlikely world that he were to win the nomination. Most of Bernie’s ideas are so radical that I can’t see them getting through. One that I can resonate with because it’s involving a field that I’m trying to get into is Medicare 4 all. From what I’ve read and understand, with this alone if it were to pass, the numbers to pay for it just doesn’t add up unless you can find something like 32.6 trillion a year.

That doesn’t mean I can vote for Trump either. If this does track how it seems, it’s a case where I don’t like either main candidates.
 
If Bernie doesn't get taken out by the dems and somehow miraculously wins, we are quitting our jobs. What's the point my husband said. My daughter will quit school too. I think a lot of people will quit. That's going to be the attitude of many people and that's going to be a huge problem and bye bye USA as we ever knew it. Many working people that have been aiding the people who already quit and play the system, will join that group. Going to be a little problem there. The rich that have worked to be rich will fall too. Doesn't just apply to Bernie but any socialist/communist.
 
tractor girl said:
Private ins would still be available. But since the vast majority of folks would be under M4A, the market would be signifigantly smaller - so not as much need, a lot of those ins companies would probably go out of business (just like the carraige manufacturers did)
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Sounds better on paper I suppose. I like the idea of how we were all raised basically. Goals. Strive to get a job that offers benefits and good insurance. Some did and some didn't but everybody had the choice. Right now especially with Trump, there's jobs and opportunities more so than ever. So nobody really has the excuse that there are not jobs etc. like in the past. So many hiring signs and new plants being built all around here. I guess I like the idea of managing our money, getting things back on track for the people before I would like to pay all my money to help people that don't help themselves and go to that sort of system. People do need opportunities though and the healthcare system is ridiculous (partly because of Obamacare). Needs to get better for sure.
 
Shaggy said:
Believing it's one or the other is mental slavery IMO.

I dont support the liberal fiscal policies but support their social policies in many cases. I could vote for a liberal just not one of the current lot running. I'm not trying to convince you to vote D because i dont plan on doing it myself.

That doesnt mean I have to like or support such a corrupt, inept, and unqualified Republican like trump.
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You and I are on nearly the same train. I wrote in Kasich in 16. Maybe him again in 20 idk. Hopeful the Dems don't nominate Sanders or Warren because I can't go that liberal. Trump is the most corrupt Pres since LBJ and trashes the Constitution repeatedly. Weld is the only Repub with the guts to stand up to him... the rest are like his female dogs in heat.
 
Downeastnc said:
I still cant fathom how we as a nation ended up thinking HIllary and Trump were the two best options for President....it truly amazes me that in a nation as great as this those two idiots were the most viable options voters had......
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just wait til Sanders vs Trump... its coming I think

or its gonna be a bloodbath at the convention in July if its not probably
 
NCSNOW said:
Trump is a Captialist, America First , believer in Democracy who governs by whats best for America. Who beleives Government needs to get out of the way of entrepreneur minded american citizens.
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Democrats/Moderates/Socialist/progressives etc who are globalist and think government is the solution to any and all problems. They want everyone to depend on them ,government solely.

Thats the difference in Trump verse the Moderate,DNC,Socialist,Globalist. In 6 months everyone can vote and decide if you want a president who will tickle your ear, speak politically correct, and claim he/she feels your pain or you can elect to a second term a president who puts America interest first, AND GETS RESULTS FOR ALL AMERICANS.
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You’re thinking too black and white in putting moderates in the same bucket as progressives and socialists. Also, there are actually some conservatives who don’t like Trump because of his character and behavior, which includes being highly disrespectful to so many people. As far as I’m concerned, it isn’t an ideological problem as I agree with many of his policies. I consider myself a right of center independent (a conservative moderate if you will) who has voted mainly GOP for several decades including by far the greatest POTUS of my lifetime, Reagan. One reason I’m right of center rather than far right is because I believe in the two sides communicating and compromising with each other. That’s because if we’re going to become one nation again, neither side can have everything their way. I’d prefer the conservative view over the liberal view in most cases, but I’m fine with some compromise, too, especially if that would bring us together somewhat as one nation instead of the red vs blue tribalism nonsense that is so dominant.
 
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