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Bham 99 said:
It goes both ways. It seems to me the ones that are most vocal against opening up are the ones that have stable jobs and incomes without any problems during this pandemic.. I'm one of those people I have not missed a paycheck... but I remember what it's like to struggle and not have enough money to pay my bills.. I'm not staying we need to open up everything right away all I'm saying is that it's a complex situation and just because someone wants to work or supports letting workers go back is not something to be demonized.
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I agree man. You take anybody (with a mortgage and real life bills) touting stay closed, stay closed, stay closed, take their livelihood from them to the brink of losing their home and everything they worked for and those attitudes change real quick. All of sudden those "numbers" start to look a whole lot different. Some of these same folks (while Im sure don't want to see people suffer and die) have no qualms about any opportunity they can take to pin any negativity related to this virus on the president. I dont have people like that in my circle thank god......
 
Shaggy said:
No. Dead people isnt equal economic hardship. How yall are still not grasping that is beyond me. Are yall truly that dismissive of lives lost?
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Have you not seen where people have said they would rather be dead than to not be able to provide for their families. I pray none of us never are homeless but to someone living on streets having to look for food and be out in elements every day. Trying to stay warm or cold. No health services like dental or eye care or even regular doctor visits. Are you dismissive to how harsh that is? That could be years of pain and agony. I lost my father years ago. I was taught to live and not look back. I miss him dearly but don’t wallow in his death. Death sucks but it’s something we all will face one day. Is suffering for years before death on streets that much better than dying quickly from this virus? You act like some of us don’t care people die from this virus. There are 2 sides to this virus. Not just 1! We could say same for you. You don’t care people suffer and live in poverty and hunger. You would rather people suffer than to get this virus.
 
Sandbar said:
I agree man. You take anybody (with a mortgage and real life bills) touting stay closed, stay closed, stay closed, take their livelihood from them to the brink of losing their home and everything they worked for and those attitudes change real quick. All of sudden those "numbers" start to look a whole lot different. Some of these same folks (while Im sure don't want to see people suffer and die) have no qualms about any opportunity they can take to pin any negativity related to this virus on the president. I dont have people like that in my circle thank god......
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I agree. I choose not to be friends with negative thinking people. And it's been so long that I've had this mindset that I can't remember what it's like to be around negative folks.
 
Bham 99 said:
I agree. I choose not to be friends with negative thinking people. And it's been so long that I've had this mindset that I can't remember what it's like to be around negative folks.
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People on here think I’m negative. Well doing my profession for 29 years tells in not negative. I’m a realist. I look at what could happen. Some think America is invincible. One thing I’ve learned never put yourself on a pedestal. You will always fall off of that pedestal.
 
Steven_1974 said:
They don't. They'll never get it. This was already predicted back when the shutdowns started saying these folks will say see, the shutdown was unnecessary. But that's cause they worked like they were supposed to. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do to get these folks to understand that. You can also see the Venn diagram of the folks that think this way matching up with a particular person politically too.
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I said the shut-downs were unnecessary before they were started, though. I haven’t changed my stance now, and after seeing antibody testing, feel even stronger that the economic take-down was completely unnecessary and over-reaction.
 
weatherfide said:
I said the shut-downs were unnecessary before they were started, though. I haven’t changed my stance now, and after seeing antibody testing, feel even stronger that the economic take-down was completely unnecessary and over-reaction.
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Hypothetical, but what if no government shut down over this or imposed a single restriction? What would be the outcome?
 
Bham 99 said:
I agree. I choose not to be friends with negative thinking people. And it's been so long that I've had this mindset that I can't remember what it's like to be around negative folks.
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It will serve you well now and in the future trust me! The last thing you want to be surrounded by is a "staff infection". Negative people are like vampires. They suck the life out of those around them....
 
Shaggy said:
No. Dead people isnt equal economic hardship. How yall are still not grasping that is beyond me. Are yall truly that dismissive of lives lost?
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Death is a part of this world we live in. It always has been and will continue to be. Running away from it, sacrificing life giving and healthy activities to stave it off is pointless, death still arrives. We can have economic prosperity and a healthy approach to the sick and vulnerable. It was never and still is not necessary to quarantine the healthy and those least at risk. As for those at highest risk, let them have the freedom to decide what kind of life to live while they still have the chance. In the end, nothing you and I can or will choose to do will stop everyone of us from dying. It is best to live free and prosper than to live a slave to fear and suffering.
 
WxGSO said:
So, you think this is hilarious?? Granted, I think it's quite ironic, but hilarious, not so much. On a side, when this is all said and done, A LOT of people are going to have had the virus.
ANYBODY can social distance whenever they want, if they are out and about. This doesn't need to change whenever the restrictions are slowly lifted. IF you are scared to go out, then stay home.
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It's pretty hilarious that the very people saying we need to open everything back up asap, organizing mass gatherings/protests, with many far right wingers saying it's still no big deal/fake news, are the very people getting sick with COVID-19. Darwinism & karma win again.
 
ForsythSnow said:
Hypothetical, but what if no government shut down over this or imposed a single restriction? What would be the outcome?
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No shutdown at all could have been really bad in my opinion but some states have gone overboard with the restrictions and procedures. I fully understand protecting ourselves from mass stupidity but hell, we have to deal with those people every day. It hasn't affected my family much (a wee bit on the farming side) and I don't foresee the doomsday scenario as others but this country is NOT built to stay at home in fear and this cant be the new precedent for how we deal with these viruses in the future.
 
Sandbar said:
It will serve you well now and in the future trust me! The last thing you want to be surrounded by is a "staff infection". Negative people are like vampires. They suck the life out of those around them....
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I don't think you understand the difference between negativity and realistic predictability. Negativity, or pessimism is expecting the worst possible scenario. Realistic predictability, which I'm making up because I'm not sure what the actual term is, is where you look at all scenarios from best to worst and see what the variables are, then make a guess as to how reality is most likely to come about to. Science doesn't care about your positive or negative feelings.
weatherfide said:
An elevated flu season was most likely. Without the hype, most people would have not even known there was a corona virus component.
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THE VIRUS IS NOT THE FLU!!!!!! :rolleyes: It's a totally different virus. I'm talking to a brick wall here.
weatherfide said:
Death is a part of this world we live in. It always has been and will continue to be. Running away from it, sacrificing life giving and healthy activities to stave it off is pointless, death still arrives. We can have economic prosperity and a healthy approach to the sick and vulnerable. It was never and still is not necessary to quarantine the healthy and those least at risk. As for those at highest risk, let them have the freedom to decide what kind of life to live while they still have the chance. In the end, nothing you and I can or will choose to do will stop everyone of us from dying. It is best to live free and prosper than to live a slave to fear and suffering.
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Yeah but when millions drop dead and healthcare systems become overwhelmed there's not enough people to sustain what we overall had as society. The economy would have crumbled even more dramatically had nothing been done entirely. Yes death can't be stopped, but if you accelerate the rate of it due to ignorance then you start getting into some dark territory.
 
Sandbar said:
No shutdown at all could have been really bad in my opinion but some states have gone overboard with the restrictions and procedures. I fully understand protecting ourselves from mass stupidity but hell, we have to deal with those people every day. It hasn't affected my family much (a wee bit on the farming side) and I don't foresee the doomsday scenario as others but this country is NOT built to stay at home in fear and this cant be the new precedent for how we deal with these viruses in the future.
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Stupid people we can deal with and I agree on some states, and yes we have to reopen, but doing it appropriately would be the best case scenario and that's the one I want us to go. Best way to deal with future viruses is probably going to have to be how we are handling it with a shutdown for a short time depending on severity. Luckily they're not frequent. We're lucky this isn't something on the lethal level of ebola with contagion of the cold.
 
Webberweather53 said:
It's pretty hilarious that the very people saying we need to open everything back up asap, organizing mass gatherings/protests, with many far right wingers saying it's still no big deal/fake news, are the very people getting sick with COVID-19. Darwinism & karma win again.
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Look, I don't agree with these "open up" protesters and understand why federal/state/local governments acted as they did because elected leaders have to show like they're doing "something" to protect citizens, but... can someone explain why Sweden has had, relatively, so much success fighting this virus without taking anywhere near as drastic actions as we took...

The Predicted Coronavirus Catastrophe Hasn’t Arrived In Sweden. What’s Next?

Population of Sweden is 10 million; roughly the same population as North Carolina. Stockholm is a larger city than both Raleigh and Charlotte. Their hospitals haven't been overrun (far from it) and there is capacity available to tread the sick. I realize hindsight is 20/20 so I'm not criticizing any public official for decisions they made in the public's best interest (which, politics aside, I hope we can agree that's why decisions to 'lock down' were made), but I would also hope that as we see other countries having success at handling this virus by taking different approach that we'd be receptive to adapting our policies accordingly. That's probably naive, but...
 
Webberweather53 said:
It's pretty hilarious that the very people saying we need to open everything back up asap, organizing mass gatherings/protests, with many far right wingers saying it's still no big deal/fake news, are the very people getting sick with COVID-19. Darwinism & karma win again.
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Not all folks on the right of center Webb; some actually have brains and a social conscience ... I know one at least ... :eek:
 
ForsythSnow said:
I don't think you understand the difference between negativity and realistic predictability. Negativity, or pessimism is expecting the worst possible scenario. Realistic predictability, which I'm making up because I'm not sure what the actual term is, is where you look at all scenarios from best to worst and see what the variables are, then make a guess as to how reality is most likely to come about to. Science doesn't care about your positive or negative feelings.

THE VIRUS IS NOT THE FLU!!!!!! :rolleyes: It's a totally different virus. I'm talking to a brick wall here.

Yeah but when millions drop dead and healthcare systems become overwhelmed there's not enough people to sustain what we overall had as society. The economy would have crumbled even more dramatically had nothing been done entirely. Yes death can't be stopped, but if you accelerate the rate of it due to ignorance then you start getting into some dark territory.
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LOL......Partner I understand negativity. I understand panic. I understand pessimism and I absolutely understand "realism". Negativity, fear and panic are why people do stupid things and make irrational decisions. I cant tell you how many times I sat in on a briefing before an op and we had number crunchers going over the "reality" of how many guys we could lose. The majority of the time we all came back! You know why? Because we didn't allow our feelings or the worst possible scenario to depict or fate. I use my combat experience a lot here and no this isn't combat but it does relate to how people perceive the potential outcome of a bad situation
 
weatherfide said:
I said the shut-downs were unnecessary before they were started, though. I haven’t changed my stance now, and after seeing antibody testing, feel even stronger that the economic take-down was completely unnecessary and over-reaction.
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My guess is you havent read.one article about the false positives on the antibody test and how they could be grossly over estimating antibody rates.
 
Shaggy said:
My guess is you havent read.one article about the false positives on the antibody test and how they could be grossly over estimating antibody rates.
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I’ve seen reports from many sampling’s and testing. They all reveal much higher infection rates, regardless of the existence of some false positives. It isn’t like a fifty percent false flag of SARS-Cov2...
 
Matthew70 said:
Have you not seen where people have said they would rather be dead than to not be able to provide for their families. I pray none of us never are homeless but to someone living on streets having to look for food and be out in elements every day. Trying to stay warm or cold. No health services like dental or eye care or even regular doctor visits. Are you dismissive to how harsh that is? That could be years of pain and agony. I lost my father years ago. I was taught to live and not look back. I miss him dearly but don’t wallow in his death. Death sucks but it’s something we all will face one day. Is suffering for years before death on streets that much better than dying quickly from this virus? You act like some of us don’t care people die from this virus. There are 2 sides to this virus. Not just 1! We could say same for you. You don’t care people suffer and live in poverty and hunger. You would rather people suffer than to get this virus.
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Hmmm that's interesting I have bolded here. So before ACA when poor people had no way of getting insurance, pre-existing conditions were unable to get insurance. Sounds to me since you care so deeply for those people now that may end up in the position those poor people lived in for decades that maybe you support liberal agendas more than you let on? Sounds to me like you 100% support the ACA cause.
 
Shaggy said:
Hmmm that's interesting I have bolded here. So before ACA when poor people had no way of getting insurance, pre-existing conditions were unable to get insurance. Sounds to me since you care so deeply for those people now that may end up in the position those poor people lived in for decades that maybe you support liberal agendas more than you let on? Sounds to me like you 100% support the ACA cause.
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For people living on streets. There is always a copay. I’m just thinking Why you went to Lowe’s risking spreading the virus. Here is my suggestion. To those that are scared and don’t want to spread or get this virus. Stay home and do not go anywhere. Tell your jobs you are not coming in. Quit your jobs or get fired so you can get unemployment. That way you can help those that want to work and provide for their families can have your job. Problem solved. Stay home or get out and work and live life.
 
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weatherfide said:
Wow, then this guy joins webb in the demeaning comment parade...

I wasn’t expecting this poster to take that road. I’m a little shocked.
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I suspect you grossly misread or misunderstood my comment ... or maybe I made it grossly incomprehensible; to simplify, there are nuts falling from the tress on both sides ... but not everyone, at least not this one, is nuts ... and being right of center is not nuts ... I do care about folks ... a lot ...
 
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pcbjr said:
I suspect you grossly misread or misunderstood my comment ... or maybe I made it grossly incomprehensible; to simplify, there are nuts falling from the tress on both sides ... but not everyone, at least not this one, is nuts ... and being right of center is not nuts ... I do care about folks ... a lot ...
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If there was something called a Demeaning Comment Index which existed on a 10 point scale, I would rank your comment a 1 out of 10. (for what it's worth) ;)
 
pcbjr said:
I suspect you grossly misread or misunderstood my comment ... or maybe I made it grossly incomprehensible; to simplify, there are nuts falling from the tress on both sides ... but not everyone, at least not this one, is nuts ... and being right of center is not nuts ... I do care about folks ... a lot ...
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Well, that’s probably what it is, a misunderstanding. Your posts are usually quite respectful. That’s why it was shocking to me.
 
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weatherfide said:
Well, that’s probably what it is, a misunderstanding. You’re posts are usually quite respectful. That’s why it was shocking to me.
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Like I said ... I probably did not express myself well ... I tried to clarify but regrettably that led to more rancor ... was not my intent to be caustic at all, and I apologize ... not for the thought I had hoped to express, but for failing to express it in a positive manner ... I'll try better as best I can ... yet I realize that anything I or anyone says here is not going to be be universally accepted ... but I disdain negativity and again, my sincere regrets if I was negative or disrespectful ... I for one do not have the "right" to disrespect anyone ... ;)
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
If there was something called a Demeaning Comment Index which existed on a 10 point scale, I would rank your comment a 1 out of 10. (for what it's worth) ;)
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pcbjr said:
Like I said ... I probably did not express myself well ... I tried to clarify but regrettably that led to more rancor ... was not my intent to be caustic at all, and I apologize ... not for the thought I had hoped to express, but for failing to express it in a positive manner ... I'll try better as best I can ... yet I realize that anything I or anyone says here is not going to be be universally accepted ... but I disdain negativity and again, my sincere regrets if I was negative or disrespectful ... I for one do not have the "right" to disrespect anyone ... ;)
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For clarification, a 1 out of 10 would actually be good on the Demeaning Comment Index, while a 10 would be bad and represent a particularly heinous example of extreme demeaningness (or whatever you'd call it). It is certainly not meant to be a measure of a post's overall quality.

No rancor intended yo.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
For clarification, a 1 out of 10 would actually be good on the Demeaning Comment Index, while a 10 would be bad and represent a particularly heinous example of extreme demeaningness (or whatever you'd call it). It is certainly not meant to be a measure of a post's overall quality.

No rancor intended yo.
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I think I need a beer ... join me?
 
Matthew70 said:
For people living on streets. There is always a copay. I’m just thinking Why you went to Lowe’s risking spreading the virus. Here is my suggestion. To those that are scared and don’t want to spread or get this virus. Stay home and do not go anywhere. Tell your jobs you are not coming in. Quit your jobs or get fired so you can get unemployment. That way you can help those that want to work and provide for their families can have your job. Problem solved. Stay home or get out and work and live life.
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I went to lowes to get a garden started to supply my own food. There's been people online saying the end is coming and that crazy starved homeless and unemployed people are at their breaking point and violence is imminent. Then theres gonna be mass violence by all the early released prisoners and basically a decades maybe even a century long depression.

Unfortunately for me i was blocked by a horde of middle to older aged women buying flowers and garden soil.

It was a close one.....I barely escaped with my life.
 
Shaggy said:
I went to lowes to get a garden started to supply my own food. There's been people online saying the end is coming and that crazy starved homeless and unemployed people are at their breaking point and violence is imminent. Then theres gonna be mass violence by all the early released prisoners and basically a decades maybe even a century long depression.

Unfortunately for me i was blocked by a horde of middle to older aged women buying flowers and garden soil.

It was a close one.....I barely escaped with my life.
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All possibilities if we stay shut down. At least you can buy seeds. Be thankful for that.
I passed trucks today with bodies stacked and strapped down on them. Probably 2 million bodies.
Of course they were just fake dummies.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Yessir. Since this is the political thread, how about we go with a theme both sides can relate to?
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*and yes, this is real. I've actually seen it in bars around here. ?
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I like your thoughts!

Beats the hell out of this ... which BTW, is really awful beer but fun to buy a stranger in the midwest ...

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Webberweather53 said:
It's pretty hilarious that the very people saying we need to open everything back up asap, organizing mass gatherings/protests, with many far right wingers saying it's still no big deal/fake news, are the very people getting sick with COVID-19. Darwinism & karma win again.
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Well look at it this way. Those people will have it and maybe have antibodies to it when it gets more severe in fall if does. You will get it Webber just like all of us will. So karma will come knocking on your door eventually also. You can’t hide in your cave forever. Wow celebrating people getting the virus? You are mentally insane also like me! That was your diagnosis of me.
 
LetItSnow said:
Nothing to see here; just your "normal" every day democrat..

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Elites Tout North Korean Dictator's Successor As Progress For Feminism

Apparently swapping out one ruthless dictator for another is something to celebrate in the eyes of woke media elites who see it as advancing women's rights.
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Lolol.....Progress for feminism. Has Nancy set up the congressional hearing for Sloppy Joe's sex allegations yet? Im sure she would jump all over it if somebody would just ask. Men assaulting women is of little concern to the media and Democrats when its a Democrat candidate doing the ass grabbing
 
Webberweather53 said:
It's pretty hilarious that the very people saying we need to open everything back up asap, organizing mass gatherings/protests, with many far right wingers saying it's still no big deal/fake news, are the very people getting sick with COVID-19. Darwinism & karma win again.
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SOOOO, if it were left wingers saying this, I'm sure you'd have a problem with it too, correct? While in your mind, I'm sure you think it's ALL right wingers doing the protests because in your left leaning mind, you can't picture left leaning people stooping so low as to suggest the economy opening up. While it is probably a majority of people who don't think like you, I'd hold back white washing (no that's not racist) this.
 
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