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Matthew70 said:
As many of us have a good idea where you stand. You get paid no matter what. To heck with those that have lost jobs and might lose their homes and families may go hungry. It’s all about saving lives and forget about those that want be able to afford food for their kids or even pay to take care of their parents that may be in assisted living. Yes lives matter Shaggy but some will be forever in poverty after this. Some will lose family businesses and all they have. How about having some sympathy for those individuals also. We are all suffering it’s not just those dying. It goes both ways. I have been called selfish for my opinions and mentally insane and morbid obsession with death. Those should look in mirror and realize it goes both ways. I could say you have a hyperbole of 2 million deaths and morbid obsession of seeing people suffer and lose everything. I am not trying to be mean but quit throwing it in my face. Show sympathy please for those that lose everything. To them they would rather be dead. Those that want to try and make a living instead of sitting on their butts collecting unemployment that will not make ends meet. Is that a crime?
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I get that theres pain and suffering from the lost jobs. I know the govt is paying those people unemployment and a stimulus check. Good that they are getting the aid needed. Still there will be some jobs that wont come back. Some businesses wont return. Already a local factory Lennox here in eastern NC has closed a factory for good. They were probably already on the brink of going under anyways.

People still above ground will have a chance to regain what was lost. It may take time and hard work but they have that chance. The dead have no chance to recover anything and their loved ones unable to even say goodbye will live with that lose and trauma for the rest of their lives.

Its a crappy deal there are no winners there are no easy pathways forward there is a fine line that needs to be walked. Open up enough but dont cause a 2nd wave.....let's hope we find that line.
 
Polls I’ve seen tonight are about 80% against/20% in favor of Gov Kemp’s reopening in GA of places like bowling alleys, barbershops, nail salons, and tattoo parlors. I’ve yet to see one mayor speak out in favor. Some places have said they’ll open then and others said they won’t.
 
I think we need to look at TX. Watch and see if any spikes or hot spots develop. They opened up Friday.
 
Mathew 70 good article:

The global oil industry is producing vastly more oil than the world needs, like 30 million barrels a day.

The oil industry in America employs about 10 million people directly. Then indirectly it creates many other jobs from companies who supply construction of equiptment, materials the industry needs to function.
 
Where did GA talk show host Erick Erickson get these GA daily case #s from? They are far lower than the numbers derived from the official GA health website!

ewerickson.substack.com

The Data, Doubt, and Decision

Rt does not get talked about a lot.
ewerickson.substack.com ewerickson.substack.com

“From Here are the present numbers in Georgia based on daily new cases:

April 14: 830
April 15: 634
April 16: 661
April 17: 537
April 18: 256
April 19: 157
April 20: 96
April 21: 23”

Based on these #s that I can’t verify, Erick is saying the Rt factor is now under 1. I’m sensing BS here based on these #s being far lower than what can be inferred from the aforementioned GA website but also due to some wacko things he’s said in the past about unrelated topics.

He’s supposedly getting data based on date tests were actually administered as opposed to dates the test results came out. But where is this data? Help!

IF these #s were real, then I’d agree GA is probably improving rapidly. But again, I don’t trust him at all and have no way to verify his #s.

Edit: From his wiki to show how wacky he has been:

“In April 2009, Erickson described retiring Supreme Court Justice David Souter on his Twitter account as ‘the only goat f-cking child molester to ever serve on the Supreme Court’. In an appearance on The Colbert Report, Erickson said the statement was ‘not my finest hour.’”

What the heck is that crap?
 
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NCHighCountryWX said:
Limousine radical liberals could care less about Christian Conservative working class men and women who are the backbone of our country

Donald Trump totally is for the working man and we appreciate it
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There is not a big enough eye roll for this but here ya go......:rolleyes: .....? at Trump being for the working class.......
 
GaWx said:
Where did GA talk show host Erick Erickson get these GA daily case #s from? They are far lower than the numbers derived from the official GA health website!

ewerickson.substack.com

The Data, Doubt, and Decision

Rt does not get talked about a lot.
ewerickson.substack.com ewerickson.substack.com

“From Here are the present numbers in Georgia based on daily new cases:

April 14: 830
April 15: 634
April 16: 661
April 17: 537
April 18: 256
April 19: 157
April 20: 96
April 21: 23”

Based on these #s that I can’t verify, Erick is saying the Rt factor is now under 1. I’m sending BS here based on these #s being far lower than what can be inferred from the aforementioned GA website but also due to some wacko things he’s said in the past about unrelated topics.

He’s supposedly getting data based on date tests were actually administered as opposed to dates the test results came out. But where is this data? Help!

IF these #s were real, then I’d agree GA is improving rapidly.
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He actually might be getting it from DPH. I was extremely confused at first when I saw the chart on the website because it was much lower than the numbers that I had seen recently a couple days ago, but then I saw this below:

Confirmed cases of COVID-19 by date of earliest known sign of illness. Please note that these data represent our most current understanding of the cases at the time of report. The most recent days of these trend data are impacted by a reporting lag that varies based on how the case is reported to public health and are subject to change.

So, assuming that major issues remain, the later dates are going to eventually skyrocket on earliest known sign of illness. It actually makes me wonder if the data that's being used is "this" instead of confirmed cases. If so, very, very flawed.

This also doesn't take into account that there's been some GA DPH problems too.
 
Just FYI. It’s a nice thought but the plants with sick workers can’t just hire the unemployed to work for the sick. There is paperwork, background checks, training and money to put on a payroll. It’s not something that can be done quickly. If they are not trained properly and get hurt on job then say hello to lawsuit.
 
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Some states are already broke lmao. So can every American file bankruptcy also? This govt. is idiots on both sides. I really think they want the rich and poor and no more middle class. The govt. can not just print money to fix all these problems. Higher taxes and super hyperinflation will soon be upon us.
 
www.studyfinds.org

Coronavirus Survey: 84% Of Americans Want Another Stimulus Check

According to a new survey, 84% of Americans would already like to receive a second round of stimulus checks as the coronavirus pandemic continues.
www.studyfinds.org www.studyfinds.org
29% will be broke in a month.
160 million will be completely broke within 3 months.
That is half of America. Anyone think it will be calm and all good when half of Americans are broke? If you do then I sure hope you are right. Glad I have my ammo.
 
Matthew70 said:
www.studyfinds.org

Coronavirus Survey: 84% Of Americans Want Another Stimulus Check

According to a new survey, 84% of Americans would already like to receive a second round of stimulus checks as the coronavirus pandemic continues.
www.studyfinds.org www.studyfinds.org
29% will be broke in a month.
160 million will be completely broke within 3 months.
That is half of America. Anyone think it will be calm and all good when half of Americans are broke? If you do then I sure hope you are right. Glad I have my ammo.
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Everywhere will be opening up and removing all SIP orders in the next two weeks. It MUST happen or there will be massive political upheaval. Some areas may have more of a "tyrannical" approach (ie California, New York, Illinois) but most sensible states will open up. It still may be too late. Don't advertise what assets you possess, by the way.
 
Steven,

We all know you want capitalism to be completely shut down and replaced with communism. We get it. Reasonable and knowledgeable people don't want to give up their liberty that easily.
Steven_1974 said:
They have already studied the virus enough to know that with the way its genetic markers are, it would have been impossible for you to have had it then.
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Keep posting away about how we should stay shut down til Christmas, and ignoring studies that show this virus was active on U.S. territory long before March (most likely now November-December and possibly as early as September). This is from the CDC's own investigations. It won't bring communism to fruition in the U.S. You can keep dreaming, comrade.
 
NCHighCountryWX said:
Limousine radical liberals could care less about Christian Conservative working class men and women who are the backbone of our country

Donald Trump totally is for the working man and we appreciate it
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And many Christian Conservative Trump supporters could care less about the black and brown folks who have been disproportionately impacted by COVID-19 due to factors tied to systemic racism. It is laughable these moral crusaders latched on to a morally bankrupt con man. As for the protests, they are astroturfing at its finest and give the illusion of grassroots efforts. The Raleigh one polluted our city with Trumpers and conspiracy theorists who are antivax/5G types. What a joke!
 
eyewall said:
And many Christian Conservative Trump supporters could care less about the black and brown folks who have been disproportionately impacted by COVID-19 due to factors tied to systemic racism. It is laughable these moral crusaders latched on to a morally bankrupt con man. As for the protests, they are astroturfing at its finest and give the illusion of grassroots efforts. The Raleigh one polluted our city with Trumpers and conspiracy theorists who are antivax/5G types. What a joke!
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Mis information is just as much on your side too.
 
eyewall said:
And many Christian Conservative Trump supporters could care less about the black and brown folks who have been disproportionately impacted by COVID-19 due to factors tied to systemic racism. It is laughable these moral crusaders latched on to a morally bankrupt con man. As for the protests, they are astroturfing at its finest and give the illusion of grassroots efforts. The Raleigh one polluted our city with Trumpers and conspiracy theorists who are antivax/5G types. What a joke!
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How do you prove anything you just wrote? Your opinion doesn't seem to have any support, at all, anywhere, in the world.
 
Someone needs to warn Rosie that her social security is dwindling very fast now with the shut-downs. She may have to go back to work.

justthenews.com

Cost of Social Security will exceed program's income in 2021, says board of trustees

In their annual report to congress the Social Security Board of Trustees projected a bleak and desperate future for the program
justthenews.com justthenews.com

Add inflationary pressures and it may run out even sooner than 2035. Oh wait, no jobs, forgot about that. Crap.
 
weatherfide said:
How do you prove anything you just wrote? Your opinion doesn't seem to have any support, at all, anywhere, in the world.
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He left off we want to starve children, kill all social security,turn our drinking water to motor oil etc.

When your ideas are bad, not desired, this is what the left does. Same old playbook. Problem is it doesnt work anymore. But shssh! They will keep re_ runing the same failed strategy.
 
weatherfide said:
Steven,

We all know you want capitalism to be completely shut down and replaced with communism. We get it. Reasonable and knowledgeable people don't want to give up their liberty that easily.

Keep posting away about how we should stay shut down til Christmas, and ignoring studies that show this virus was active on U.S. territory long before March (most likely now November-December and possibly as early as September). This is from the CDC's own investigations. It won't bring communism to fruition in the U.S. You can keep dreaming, comrade.
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I don't want communism so quit trying to put words in my mouth there. Reasonable and knowledgeable people? Most reasonable and knowledgeable people want to follow the science on this and not do things just cause it's most convenient for some of you. Those folks usually don't tend to blindly follow whatever Fox and Rush entertainment personalities tell them to do.
 
Steven_1974 said:
I don't want communism so quit trying to put words in my mouth there. Reasonable and knowledgeable people? Most reasonable and knowledgeable people want to follow the science on this and not do things just cause it's most convenient for some of you. Those folks usually don't tend to blindly follow whatever Fox and Rush entertainment personalities tell them to do.
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I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh or watch Fox News. Don't discount the "science" of running out of money needed to feed your family. Starving people will open up their shops with government support or not.
 
weatherfide said:
I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh or watch Fox News. Don't discount the "science" of running out of money needed to feed your family. Starving people will open up their shops with government support or not.
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Well your boy Mitch isn't in any hurry to do anything about it. I will line up and take a leak on his grave when the time comes.
www.nbcnews.com

McConnell taps brakes on next round of coronavirus aid as state, local governments plead for help

McConnell cited concern for the national debt, saying, "Until we can begin to open up the economy, we can’t spend enough money to solve the problem."
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
Steven_1974 said:
I don't want communism so quit trying to put words in my mouth there. Reasonable and knowledgeable people? Most reasonable and knowledgeable people want to follow the science on this and not do things just cause it's most convenient for some of you. Those folks usually don't tend to blindly follow whatever Fox and Rush entertainment personalities tell them to do.
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I don’t listen to news on tv or radio. Anyone with common sense and understanding basic economics understands that you have to have money to keep the world from going into complete collapse. Wo money anyone should understand there will be much more deaths from collapsing of society. Is this going to happen I don’t think so and hope it does not but we stay shut down to long it will get uglier
 
eyewall said:
And many Christian Conservative Trump supporters could care less about the black and brown folks who have been disproportionately impacted by COVID-19 due to factors tied to systemic racism. It is laughable these moral crusaders latched on to a morally bankrupt con man. As for the protests, they are astroturfing at its finest and give the illusion of grassroots efforts. The Raleigh one polluted our city with Trumpers and conspiracy theorists who are antivax/5G types. What a joke!
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I know many ‘black and brown’ folks who are Christian Conservative Trump supporters.

The thing is we don’t have the racism that you do by classifying people by the color of their skin.
 
Matthew70 said:
Another day another mystery about this virus. No vaccine will ever stop this virus. Nature will have to take its course and let herd immunity burn it out.
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No vaccine will ever stop this virus? Where are you getting that from?

As for the blood clots thing, that is definitely not something you want plowing through the community as a whole at all. Lots of people with long term damage to their body or dying from a stroke. Not smart.
 
Steven_1974 said:
No vaccine will ever stop this virus? Where are you getting that from?

As for the blood clots thing, that is definitely not something you want plowing through the community as a whole at all. Lots of people with long term damage to their body or dying from a stroke. Not smart.
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The flu vaccine is 50/50 at best. So a vaccine for this virus is gonna be 50/50 at best most likely also. Yes blood clots and this whole virus sucks but it’s life. Bottom line every week new things about this virus emerge. In other words live each day to its fullest.
 
NCHighCountryWX said:
I know many ‘black and brown’ folks who are Christian Conservative Trump supporters.

The thing is we don’t have the racism that you do by classifying people by the color of their skin.
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I do think there's been way too much identity based politics/grouping for my liking in the liberal wing of the Dem party, which is a turn off and which I think leads to the unintended consequence of more racism. That liberal wing attempts to classify everyone as to what group he/she is in as by far the most important thing about each person instead of looking at people as individuals with unique characteristics/talents. So, whereas I'm not a fan of the far right wing, I'm also not a fan of the left wing though I consider myself right of center overall. I'm not a fan of the extremes of each party in general. Actually, I'm most a fan of logic and common sense as well as compromise/trying to bring the country back together somewhat, which is severely lacking in politics these days.
 
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Think about this. When all this opens up. There will waivers that everyone will have to most likely sign to go into amusement parks, airlines and etc saying you can not sue them if get cov-19. Lawyers will have many cases. Just like these food plants and the law suits saying they were not protected. It’s endless. Now season ticket holders for UT football have to pay by end of May. Some of those is 20k season tickets. The loses are staggering. Restaurants will have less waiters and waitresses. Will have to put up barriers and less seating. My brother CPA office is putting up barriers for dropping off taxes and papers to his staff. He is with a lawyer drawing up waivers for people setting appointments with him. Doctor offices will. Lawsuits will be rampant most likely.
 
GaWx said:
I do think there's been way too much identity based politics/grouping for my liking in the liberal wing of the Dem party, which is a turn off and which I think leads to the unintended consequence of more racism. That liberal wing attempts to classify everyone as to what group he/she is in as by far the most important thing about each person instead of looking at people as individuals with unique characteristics/talents. So, whereas I'm not a fan of the far right wing, I'm also not a fan of the left wing though I consider myself right of center overall. I'm not a fan of the extremes of each party in general. Actually, I'm most a fan of logic and common sense as well as compromise/trying to bring the country back together somewhat, which is severely lacking in politics these days.
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Not going to happen though, the wingers and progressives are in charge and the folks in the middle pay for this childish moronic behavior. I am getting pretty jaded by it all honestly, the RNC and DNC do everything they can to prevent a 3rd party of middle of the road Americans from gaining ground, they do a good job forcing us to choose between two different ---- sandwiches every 4 years......I didnt type poop right there....

Think about it, our options for leader of this nation are a giant orange egotistical manic with dementia or a old creeper stay off my lawn guy with dementia.....
 
Downeastnc said:
Not going to happen though, the wingers and progressives are in charge and the folks in the middle pay for this childish moronic behavior. I am getting pretty jaded by it all honestly, the RNC and DNC do everything they can to prevent a 3rd party of middle of the road Americans from gaining ground, they do a good job forcing us to choose between two different poop sandwiches every 4 years......I didnt type poop right there....

Think about it, our options for leader of this nation are a giant orange egotistical manic with dementia or a old creeper stay off my lawn guy with dementia.....
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Good post.

However, I was about to post and will do it now about giving very rare (from me) kudos to Trump. He just said in his presser that he told GA gov Kemp that he "strongly disagrees" with Kemp for reopening up those nonessential businesses too soon. I said here that I'd give him kudos if he were to do that and I'm keeping my word. So, thank you Mr. President for a refreshing change.
 
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