Political Thread

[NCSNOW]

Its certainly possible but recessions dont typically last very long on average if you arent Barack Obama. We will probably see a correction during Trump's second term but I would fully expect any recession to rebound rather quickly.....just my opinion

Exactly and over the course of that second term Trump will continue appointing federal judges to the highest courts that interput the constitution literally and make decisions off of it and expand school choice.
The liberal progressive socialist movement has advanced their agenda via 3 main methods over the past 6+ decades. Main Stream Media, Acedemia (Public Education Indoctrination), liberal courts (judges thay legislate from the bench).

Its funny , Trump is having so much success with de-regulation, trade deals,the economy etc. Its not Rocket Science how hes done it. Hes just using common sense and making decessions that are really no brainers. Hes able to do that cause hes not one of them. The swamp crowd,politicians. He has no allegience to lobbyist, no need for power, money. Just doing whats best for American people. Doesnt need praise from anyone, espeacilly main stream media .
He has an ego , enormous , yes. But he wont sit back and take blows from the left,media. He meets them head on. It's ugly decorrum I get it. But its the only way you stand up to this crowd, they truly hate him with a venom and its not because of his decorum. This excuse doesnt fly anymore folks. That is a smoke screen, because he has made all of them come out of their turtle shell and expose them for who they truly are on both sides of the isle. Bainer, Romney,McCain,Ryan, Media, DNC. They attack him,his family, try to remove him from office when he commited no crimes, no collusion, all made up law breaking coupe attempts through Hillary financed fusion dossiers, Bogus whistle blower coached by Schiff. After all the conspiring, hes still standing stronger than ever while the democrats and deep state have been openly expossed.

There is a line in the sand for this 2020 election. The future of our country remaining a democratic,capitalist country governed by laws and the constitution hinges on the choice that is made in November. You can officially turn it over to the socialist,progressive,liberal Democratic party if thats the choice you choose to make. Everyone gets their vote. But be warned, there is no turning back if we take one more step down this road. If Globalisim, Socialism, are what you want as a voter,then Trump is not your candidate. If you beleive in Capitilism ,Democracy, the Constitution then Trump, Maga crowd welcomes your vote.

 

[Rain Cold]

Sooner if China has a prolonged shutdown due to the spreading of the coronavirus.

There is no way it's not going to affect the global economy as-is, much less if/when they stay shut down longer than they're currently saying. High yield debt is about to become a mess.

 

[NCSNOW]

There is no way it's not going to affect the global economy as-is, much less if/when they stay shut down longer than they're currently saying. High yield debt is about to become a mess.

We actually have gotten a big bump because US companies who purchase fabricated parts from our company and from China, have come runing to us to meet the void that has been created because of this very situation. Now this is highly likely temporaily, and The US , really every economy is on thin ice right now, to prevent this situation coming to its shores on the magnitude/scale China is dealing with currently.

 

[EV/WS]

There is no way it's not going to affect the global economy as-is, much less if/when they stay shut down longer than they're currently saying. High yield debt is about to become a mess.

Agreed. However, theirs know way “If” this should occur, how can it be pegged on our POTUS?
I’m a bit concerned that democrats are Rooting for a recession. Please, do tell this isn’t the case.

 

[EV/WS]

If a global recession should occur, I believe POTUS has us in the best position to ride it out. We should all agree on that. At least that’s my hope.

 

[Wildboutsnow]

Something is up with the whole virus and China thing....Don't know what yet but something.....Who would believe anything China says anyway....

 

[Bham 99]

Something is up with the whole virus and China thing....Don't know what yet but something.....Who would believe anything China says anyway....

The doctor that brought all the attention at first of this disease died today or yesterday.. seems pretty fishy to me he was in trouble with the government for making videos telling everybody how it really was over there... he was young and healthy otherwise.. most of the ones that have died so far were elderly or their immune systems were weak for whatever reason.

 

[ForsythSnow]

If a global recession should occur, I believe POTUS has us in the best position to ride it out. We should all agree on that. At least that’s my hope.

We better be letting off the gas then for government spending or else when we hit that wall it's going to be a lot more intense.

Something is up with the whole virus and China thing....Don't know what yet but something.....Who would believe anything China says anyway....

I do not think conspiracy nor should anyone. China does have a government that likes to keep everything under cover, but mainly just not to look bad. Having a massive virus outbreak due to poor living conditions in a country you call great is an embarrassment, so if that info spreads outside the country then it makes them look weak compared to western civilization. I'm pretty sure it's that simple.

 

[Sandbar]

Agreed. However, theirs know way “If” this should occur, how can it be pegged on our POTUS?
I’m a bit concerned that democrats are Rooting for a recession. Please, do tell this isn’t the case.

Oh they (Democrats) are rooting for one. Misery is what fuels these people. They hate Donald Trump a hell of a lot more than they love their country. At least they have proven as much to me.......

 

[Shaggy]

Something is up with the whole virus and China thing....Don't know what yet but something.....Who would believe anything China says anyway....

You.....if they said they had dirt on Obama, biden, or hillary.

 

[Wildboutsnow]

You.....if they said they had dirt on Obama, biden, or hillary.

Nah...We don't need China for the proofs. The careless gave it to us themselves. The cover up is what's going to gettem'. FISA goes both ways...

 

[Rain Cold]

Agreed. However, theirs know way “If” this should occur, how can it be pegged on our POTUS?
I’m a bit concerned that democrats are Rooting for a recession. Please, do tell this isn’t the case.

Yeah, I don't see how a virus would be blamed on the president. However, the response would be. Just recall Katrina and Bush. We'll see.

 

[Rain Cold]

Something is up with the whole virus and China thing....Don't know what yet but something.....Who would believe anything China says anyway....

The numbers and messaging coming out of both China and the WHO (and most governments for that matter) don't square with the actions that we're seeing various countries take. This thing is erroneously compared to the flu, which circles the globe every year and affects millions. nCov is just getting started. If it REALLY were nothing worse than the flu, you would not see the measures that all of these sovereigns are taking. Just think about what you see and compare it with what you're hearing. Ignore everything else and think about that. Those two things do not square.

I'm not saying there's some massive conspiracy to secretly kill a large percentage of the population or that this is some bioweaopon (although there is enough evidence to doubt the official story of it coming through a bat to a snake and into a communicable human disease and to investigate whether or not it did come from their BL4 lab). But what governments do is say nothing to see here. Then, there's only a little something to see. Move along. Then, ok, you can take a look, but it's really nothing. Then, "move in a single file line, and walk slowly." Then, "shelter in place." This is just how the messaging is going to work. And if you publicly go against that, you will be dismissed as a fearmongerer or *gasp* a conspiracy theorist.

Someone has created a quadratic formula-based model that predicts the daily numbers (of infections and deaths) that China releases. The "official" numbers have been tracking virtually on top of that model's predictions. This simply means that the numbers coming out of China can't be trusted, which we should already know.

Then there's the cruise ship that has a couple of thousand people on it. As of yesterday 273 were tested and 60 of them had it, with more results pending. Not sure if they tested the remainder of the passengers. They remain quarantined indefinitely. Sounds very infectious.

I'm not saying to panic or to glom onto every conspiracy theory you can imagine, but if it starts to show up in pockets in other countries and seems to be spreading, and/or if it starts to show up in pockets here, by the time you realize what everyone else realizes, it will be too late to get the things you will probably want to have. It's wise to observe what people are doing now (not what they're saying), and think about what you might want or need in the event it comes here. I believe it will, eventually. We just really don't know how bad it will be. Hopefully, over here, it will be no worse than the regular flu. But we don't know that for sure, and hope often keeps people from making wise choices.

 

[Wildboutsnow]

The numbers and messaging coming out of both China and the WHO (and most governments for that matter) don't square with the actions that we're seeing various countries take. This thing is erroneously compared to the flu, which circles the globe every year and affects millions. nCov is just getting started. If it REALLY were nothing worse than the flu, you would not see the measures that all of these sovereigns are taking. Just think about what you see and compare it with what you're hearing. Ignore everything else and think about that. Those two things do not square.

I'm not saying there's some massive conspiracy to secretly kill a large percentage of the population or that this is some bioweaopon (although there is enough evidence to doubt the official story of it coming through a bat to a snake and into a communicable human disease and to investigate whether or not it did come from their BL4 lab). But what governments do is say nothing to see here. Then, there's only a little something to see. Move along. Then, ok, you can take a look, but it's really nothing. Then, "move in a single file line, and walk slowly." Then, "shelter in place." This is just how the messaging is going to work. And if you publicly go against that, you will be dismissed as a fearmongerer or *gasp* a conspiracy theorist.

Someone has created a quadratic formula-based model that predicts the daily numbers (of infections and deaths) that China releases. The "official" numbers have been tracking virtually on top of that model's predictions. This simply means that the numbers coming out of China can't be trusted, which we should already know.

Then there's the cruise ship that has a couple of thousand people on it. As of yesterday 273 were tested and 60 of them had it, with more results pending. Not sure if they tested the remainder of the passengers. They remain quarantined indefinitely. Sounds very infectious.

I'm not saying to panic or to glom onto every conspiracy theory you can imagine, but if it starts to show up in pockets in other countries and seems to be spreading, and/or if it starts to show up in pockets here, by the time you realize what everyone else realizes, it will be too late to get the things you will probably want to have. It's wise to observe what people are doing now (not what they're saying), and think about what you might want or need in the event it comes here. I believe it will, eventually. We just really don't know how bad it will be. Hopefully, over here, it will be no worse than the regular flu. But we don't know that for sure, and hope often keeps people from making wise choices.

Good points. As far as observing, my first red flag tag in my brain, to hold for future analysis is why would anybody be aloud to go to and from China as long as they did before stopping it. And of course why would we be relying on them to tell us anything. Especially with tariffs and Trump having the upper hand in a way. Optics are very important to them. Someone even mentioned it could be about shutting down the protest movement etc. Certainly something to watch and no telling what is really going on. I do know panic and fear is a powerful tool and used to control (for the good or the bad). It is confusing too when a guy here has a wife and daughter there and seems so calm when probed about fear. The interviewers were almost disappointed that they couldn't get him riled up..Little odd. Then you have people there reporting back channels to here about how horrific and sketchy and of course no one would really know if they are credible either. Interesting all the way around.

 

[Arcc]

The numbers and messaging coming out of both China and the WHO (and most governments for that matter) don't square with the actions that we're seeing various countries take. This thing is erroneously compared to the flu, which circles the globe every year and affects millions. nCov is just getting started. If it REALLY were nothing worse than the flu, you would not see the measures that all of these sovereigns are taking. Just think about what you see and compare it with what you're hearing. Ignore everything else and think about that. Those two things do not square.

I'm not saying there's some massive conspiracy to secretly kill a large percentage of the population or that this is some bioweaopon (although there is enough evidence to doubt the official story of it coming through a bat to a snake and into a communicable human disease and to investigate whether or not it did come from their BL4 lab). But what governments do is say nothing to see here. Then, there's only a little something to see. Move along. Then, ok, you can take a look, but it's really nothing. Then, "move in a single file line, and walk slowly." Then, "shelter in place." This is just how the messaging is going to work. And if you publicly go against that, you will be dismissed as a fearmongerer or *gasp* a conspiracy theorist.

Someone has created a quadratic formula-based model that predicts the daily numbers (of infections and deaths) that China releases. The "official" numbers have been tracking virtually on top of that model's predictions. This simply means that the numbers coming out of China can't be trusted, which we should already know.

Then there's the cruise ship that has a couple of thousand people on it. As of yesterday 273 were tested and 60 of them had it, with more results pending. Not sure if they tested the remainder of the passengers. They remain quarantined indefinitely. Sounds very infectious.

I'm not saying to panic or to glom onto every conspiracy theory you can imagine, but if it starts to show up in pockets in other countries and seems to be spreading, and/or if it starts to show up in pockets here, by the time you realize what everyone else realizes, it will be too late to get the things you will probably want to have. It's wise to observe what people are doing now (not what they're saying), and think about what you might want or need in the event it comes here. I believe it will, eventually. We just really don't know how bad it will be. Hopefully, over here, it will be no worse than the regular flu. But we don't know that for sure, and hope often keeps people from making wise choices.

I disagree to an extent. Governments around the world are scared due to how easily people believe everything and how fast a pandemic of fear spreads.(go check out twitter) With this thing being in the same family as SARS, people are freaking out. The Swine flu had the same reaction when it was in Mexico, the difference being it got into the US fast and was realized that it wasn't much to worry about.

China on the other hand has alot to lose. The tariffs have hit them hard and anything else could tip them over. They are also trying to maintain the thought that they are on par with western nations in healthcare and government services.

I do believe they are under reporting cases though. This stuff is probably way more widespread across the globe, yet probably just thought of as a strong cold or mild flu.

 

[Rain Cold]

I disagree to an extent. Governments around the world are scared due to how easily people believe everything and how fast a pandemic of fear spreads.(go check out twitter) With this thing being in the same family as SARS, people are freaking out. The Swine flu had the same reaction when it was in Mexico, the difference being it got into the US fast and was realized that it wasn't much to worry about.

China on the other hand has alot to lose. The tariffs have hit them hard and anything else could tip them over. They are also trying to maintain the thought that they are on par with western nations in healthcare and government services.

I do believe they are under reporting cases though. This stuff is probably way more widespread across the globe, yet probably just thought of as a strong cold or mild flu.

Makes sense, but I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with me over? That it's way worse than the flu? We really have no way of knowing that. But watching every country start to set up quarantine facilities and field hospitals preemptively is something we never saw with SARS, swine flu, or H1N1 or H5N1.

 

[Arcc]

Makes sense, but I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with me over? That it's way worse than the flu? We really have no way of knowing that. But watching every country start to set up quarantine facilities and field hospitals preemptively is something we never saw with SARS, swine flu, or H1N1 or H5N1.

That at this point it's way worse than the flu. At this point in every country besides China there has been two deaths and I've read the both had bad pre-existing conditions and I've read accounts of people who had it, really didn't have symptoms of even the flu. One guy said besides a light fever and sore throat he didn't even know he was sick. Sure, it may get much worse and be a big problem, but so far it's been like the flu at most in Countries not China and really everywhere but the City of Wohan and surrounding province.

Edit: The cruise ship in Japan is actually a good test. If there is little severe illness there, it will probably be more if a nuisance than a threat.

 

[Rain Cold]

That at this point it's way worse than the flu. At this point in every country besides China there has been two deaths and I've read the both had bad pre-existing conditions and I've read accounts of people who had it, really didn't have symptoms of even the flu. One guy said besides a light fever and sore throat he didn't even know he was sick. Sure, it may get much worse and be a big problem, but so far it's been like the flu at most in Countries not China and really everywhere but the City of Wohan and surrounding province.

I don't know for sure whether it's worse than the flu or not worse than the flu. But if it isn't worse than the flu, at least on some level, then you have to stipulate that the Chinese are either A - Stupid for shutting down their whole economy over something that isn't worse than the flu or B - The flu has never made it to China, and this is the first time they've ever dealt with a contagious virus. You also have to stipulate that all these other countries, including the US, are way overreacting by issuing quarantines for the first time in 50 years and banning travel and preparing emergency medical facilities and such. Those things can't be explained away as reasonable activities for something that's no worse than the common flu.

Regarding the patients, some experience light symptoms. Others die. Fortunately, the death rate seems low. It seems related to age and health. But there is another factor, which I think will ultimately end up being the most important: The ability of a country's medical system to handle the influx of sick patients. More than a a small handful of patients have required extended hospital stays. That's easy to accomplish when the number of sick is in the hundreds and spread out over many countries. Not so much the case when everyone becomes sick and 25% of those need a hospital bed.

I think we're going to find out in the not too distant future where we stand with all of this.

 

[snowlover91]

IMO the coronavirus has been hyped to epic proportions by the news media and this in part is probably why governments across the Globe have been responding the way they have. If the news media hypes something and makes it seem bad then the people of that country will be in fear and want their leaders to do something about it. Fear is a powerful weapon and imo that's probably more the motivation behind the strong global response we've seen more than actual evidence of this being something extremely concerning. Assuming the death toll and sick rates are accurate, we have a mortality rate of around 2% in China which isn't that bad and in developed nations like the US would likely be significantly less. I think this is a lot of media hype and in a few weeks it will die down as people realize it's not as bad as feared.

 

[Arcc]

I don't know for sure whether it's worse than the flu or not worse than the flu. But if it isn't worse than the flu, at least on some level, then you have to stipulate that the Chinese are either A - Stupid for shutting down their whole economy over something that isn't worse than the flu or B - The flu has never made it to China, and this is the first time they've ever dealt with a contagious virus. You also have to stipulate that all these other countries, including the US, are way overreacting by issuing quarantines for the first time in 50 years and banning travel and preparing emergency medical facilities and such. Those things can't be explained away as reasonable activities for something that's no worse than the common flu.

Regarding the patients, some experience light symptoms. Others die. Fortunately, the death rate seems low. It seems related to age and health. But there is another factor, which I think will ultimately end up being the most important: The ability of a country's medical system to handle the influx of sick patients. More than a a small handful of patients have required extended hospital stays. That's easy to accomplish when the number of sick is in the hundreds and spread out over many countries. Not so much the case when everyone becomes sick and 25% of those need a hospital bed.

I think we're going to find out in the not too distant future where we stand with all of this.

I think China has to go through extreme measures regardless of how strong the virus actually is to try to save face with the world. Being a Communist country they have to act like they know what their doing and their citizens are in great shape, when in reality they probably have bad healthcare.

I do agree we will see where the world stands soon and doubt it will be contained. Although getting closer to spring and summer will help.