Political Thread

[Wildboutsnow]

I forgot to say that if Ken Starr needs another job, telling bedtime stories would be great. Good stuff but a lil too soothing...LOL

 

[snowlover91]

Interesting...

But wait.... I thought the New York Times and anonymous sources were so "reliable" and now Trump is toast? Oh that's right, they have a history of making things up with "anonymous sources" only to later back down... and it wouldn't surprise me if Bolton is using this (lying) to get media attention and promote book sales. We will see, that's why I don't like these "breaking news" stories with "anonymous sources" because they oftentimes get retracted or significantly altered later as the real truth comes out.

 

[Downeastnc]

And you would do well to not speak in absolutes, oh and also listen to all of the evidence. Those dates and "witnesses" were discredited within the first hour of the Pres team on Saturday... most of that is hearsay. And I'm sorry, if you are going to oust a Pres because of pressure he put on a foreign leader, demanding (as you and others say) that he investigate Biden or you're not getting the money, then yeah, there needs to be a direct communication to Pres Z from Trump.

I'll debate all day but when someone starts speaking to me in a terms like "you need to....", you start losing me.

How were they discredited? Those were statements made under oath....basically how I see your argument is this......in spite of all these different people providing emails, documents, txt exchanges etc all pointing to Trump doing what he is accused of you are going to believe the president who claims it is all a lie with NOTHING to back up his assertion other than him stonewalling all the witnesses and documents that could exonerate him.

Where is the proof.....where does Trump's team factually prove everything else false, their entire argument is literally everyone is lying we cant prove it and wont let you have access to anyone or any records that can show we are right....oh yeah how about them Biden's they sure are corrupt....

 

[Wildboutsnow]

How were they discredited? Those were statements made under oath....basically how I see your argument is this......in spite of all these different people providing emails, documents, txt exchanges etc all pointing to Trump doing what he is accused of you are going to believe the president who claims it is all a lie with NOTHING to back up his assertion other than him stonewalling all the witnesses and documents that could exonerate him.

Where is the proof.....where does Trump's team factually prove everything else false, their entire argument is literally everyone is lying we cant prove it and wont let you have access to anyone or any records that can show we are right....oh yeah how about them Biden's they sure are corrupt....

President Z discredits. Does he not mean anything to the left? The whole thing includes him!! It's outrageous and soo foolish for the dem party keep harping on this. If my friend claimed that my boyfriend was beating me up and called the police. The police came and asked me if it were true. I say no, he did not do that. Friend says yes he did, you are just too scared to say. How far do you think the city or state would take it to prove that I am too scared to say?...Poor Prez Z, I would be livid.

 

[stretch46]

I already stated that I watched the full hour of Schiff presenting 10 reasons why Trump was looking for personal (political) gains in his behavior toward Ukraine as opposed to being motivated by what's best for and consistent with our foreign policy and support for our friend, Ukraine. He backed up every detail of his 10 points with videos and transcripts mainly from Trump admin folks and even from Trump, himself.

You're still doing the "look at the birdie" diversion to my original question about whether or not Trump supporters are ok with Trump blatantly lying about not knowing Parnas.

Just wanted to let you know that the President sets the foreign policy. It is not set by staffers and bureaucrats.

 

[Downeastnc]

The president of Ukraine was asked while sitting next to Trump in a press conference what do you really think he would say? His country desperately needs weapons and money from the US to fight Russia....

At this point someone is lying either Bolton and everyone else that has testified Trump withheld aid for political favor or Trump....I know where my money is....

Bolton's manuscript leaks as memoir pre-orders begin on Amazon; Trump fires back

Former national security advisor John Bolton's team was under fire from the White House and conservative commentators Sunday night, after a report in The New York Times revealed a bombshell excerpt from Bolton's forthcoming book that could prove pivotal in President Trump's impeachment trial --...

www.foxnews.com

This part of the above story should tell you that the NYT story is 100% legit and Bolton really did say that, Bolton has had all day long to issue a retraction and say the NYT has it wrong but instead we got this.....from the above link, this folks is called confirmation, when given the chance to squash the story as fake they dont....meaning the NYT version of the manuscript is in fact what Bolton is saying....

Additionally, Bolton's representatives made clear he was not denying the Times' claim concerning the Ukraine aid holdup and the possible investigation of the Bidens.

 

[Bham 99]

Apparently, we have also come to the age where you're guilty until proven innocent here in the good ole US of A...Laughable

Yes, and that's with everything not just this impeachment. It's a bad slide to go down. Innocent until proven guilty has been the bedrock of our country.

 

[Sandbar]

The president of Ukraine was asked while sitting next to Trump in a press conference what do you really think he would say? His country desperately needs weapons and money from the US to fight Russia....

At this point someone is lying either Bolton and everyone else that has testified Trump withheld aid for political favor or Trump....I know where my money is....

Bolton's manuscript leaks as memoir pre-orders begin on Amazon; Trump fires back

Former national security advisor John Bolton's team was under fire from the White House and conservative commentators Sunday night, after a report in The New York Times revealed a bombshell excerpt from Bolton's forthcoming book that could prove pivotal in President Trump's impeachment trial --...

www.foxnews.com

This part of the above story should tell you that the NYT story is 100% legit and Bolton really did say that, Bolton has had all day long to issue a retraction and say the NYT has it wrong but instead we got this.....from the above link, this folks is called confirmation, when given the chance to squash the story as fake they dont....meaning the NYT version of the manuscript is in fact what Bolton is saying....

Additionally, Bolton's representatives made clear he was not denying the Times' claim concerning the Ukraine aid holdup and the possible investigation of the Bidens.

When this is all over, Trump is not removed from office and you have bitten through both your lips in frustration, the Democrats will come up with something else for you to hinge your hopes on so dont dispair

 

[Downeastnc]

When this is all over, Trump is not removed from office and you have bitten through both your lips in frustration, the Democrats will come up with something else for you to hinge your hopes on so dont dispair

I never thought Trump would be removed from office, not once....the real damage to Trump will come in Nov, and in the senate.

 

[BirdManDoomW]

Tired of all the wasteful spending on the coast. Stop repairing their highways from storms. Projects have been delayed 10...20 years out west of Raleigh.

 

[Sandbar]

I never thought Trump would be removed from office, not once....the real damage to Trump will come in Nov, and in the senate.

The Senate is always up for grabs but Trump will slaughter whomever is on the ticket against him

 

[Heelyes]

The Senate is always up for grabs but Trump will slaughter whomever is on the ticket against him

If the Republicans lose the Senate it won't matter if he wins, he will be a lame duck from day one. If he wins and keeps the Senate he will get his way with everything. If he loses and lose the Senate, I hope the supreme Court judges were worth it because the Dems will be in charge of everything else.

 

[snowlover91]

I never thought Trump would be removed from office, not once....the real damage to Trump will come in Nov, and in the senate.

It will be interesting to see how it unfolds, when impeachment was attempted vs Clinton it didn't turn out well for the Republicans who were trying to get him removed. "Most Americans gave Clinton low marks for character and honesty. But, they gave him high marks for performance and wanted him censured and condemned for his conduct, but not impeached and removed. Many viewed key Republican attackers as mean-spirited extremists willing to use a personal scandal for partisan goals. In the end, voters were happy with Clinton's handling of the White House, the economy, and most matters of public life." Source

As he said, "it's the economy stupid" and so long as the economy continues doing well Trump wins in 2020. How the House/Senate unfolds is much harder to predict.

Btw you should fear the alternative to Trump which is openly socialist ideals that would take away ALL of our constitutional freedoms should they have their way in 2020 and beyond. That to me is the real scary thought.

 

[Metwannabe]

The president of Ukraine was asked while sitting next to Trump in a press conference what do you really think he would say? His country desperately needs weapons and money from the US to fight Russia....

At this point someone is lying either Bolton and everyone else that has testified Trump withheld aid for political favor or Trump....I know where my money is....

Bolton's manuscript leaks as memoir pre-orders begin on Amazon; Trump fires back

Former national security advisor John Bolton's team was under fire from the White House and conservative commentators Sunday night, after a report in The New York Times revealed a bombshell excerpt from Bolton's forthcoming book that could prove pivotal in President Trump's impeachment trial --...

www.foxnews.com

This part of the above story should tell you that the NYT story is 100% legit and Bolton really did say that, Bolton has had all day long to issue a retraction and say the NYT has it wrong but instead we got this.....from the above link, this folks is called confirmation, when given the chance to squash the story as fake they dont....meaning the NYT version of the manuscript is in fact what Bolton is saying....

Additionally, Bolton's representatives made clear he was not denying the Times' claim concerning the Ukraine aid holdup and the possible investigation of the Bidens.

They got weapons, more than anything from previous administration, and the funding that was paused was for future funds, had nothing to do with support for the current ongoing efforts. Another false narrative

 

[Downeastnc]

It will be interesting to see how it unfolds, when impeachment was attempted vs Clinton it didn't turn out well for the Republicans who were trying to get him removed. "Most Americans gave Clinton low marks for character and honesty. But, they gave him high marks for performance and wanted him censured and condemned for his conduct, but not impeached and removed. Many viewed key Republican attackers as mean-spirited extremists willing to use a personal scandal for partisan goals. In the end, voters were happy with Clinton's handling of the White House, the economy, and most matters of public life." Source

As he said, "it's the economy stupid" and so long as the economy continues doing well Trump wins in 2020. How the House/Senate unfolds is much harder to predict.

Btw you should fear the alternative to Trump which is openly socialist ideals that would take away ALL of our constitutional freedoms should they have their way in 2020 and beyond. That to me is the real scary thought.

This is backassward thinking, this argument is literally this----even though Trump violates the laws and Constitution its ok because it would be worse if the Dems win and somehow take away all our Constitutional freedoms....this is fear mongering we survived Obama didnt we and people said the same thing when he won, and the Dems screamed that crap when W won.....what is really a scary thought though is this is how dictators rise to power, this is how democracy die......its a slow steady slide down the slippery slope where more and more illegal and questionable actions become ok till finally someone just decides to put off elections for "insert reason here".....that is what happens when we ignore our leaders slowly taking more power from the people.

 

[Rosie]

It will be interesting to see how it unfolds, when impeachment was attempted vs Clinton it didn't turn out well for the Republicans who were trying to get him removed. "Most Americans gave Clinton low marks for character and honesty. But, they gave him high marks for performance and wanted him censured and condemned for his conduct, but not impeached and removed. Many viewed key Republican attackers as mean-spirited extremists willing to use a personal scandal for partisan goals. In the end, voters were happy with Clinton's handling of the White House, the economy, and most matters of public life." Source

As he said, "it's the economy stupid" and so long as the economy continues doing well Trump wins in 2020. How the House/Senate unfolds is much harder to predict.

Btw you should fear the alternative to Trump which is openly socialist ideals that would take away ALL of our constitutional freedoms should they have their way in 2020 and beyond. That to me is the real scary thought.

Trump is a liar period. Cannot understand his wild popularity with his base and sadly he probably will not be impeached. Almost anyone running against him would be a better choice.

 

[Downeastnc]

They got weapons, more than anything from previous administration, and the funding that was paused was for future funds, had nothing to do with support for the current ongoing efforts. Another false narrative

Ironcially the US had given aid to the Ukraine 50 times since Trump took office and never once held it up for corruption concerns...Trump did hold up 391 million in aid, and it was on hold all the way up till the day AFTER the WB complaint went public....crazy timing on that release huh. There is no false narrative Trump withheld the aid so the Ukraine would go after the Biden's, it was not released until after the world learned it was on hold and Trump had no choice but to release it....the fact he released something that should never have been held does not earn him any points. The reason he held it is why he is on trial today.

 

[Flurry]

Glad to see Hunter is getting his finances in order just in time for daddy's big presidential run.

Hunter Biden agrees to pay monthly child support, ending standoff over contempt

Hunter Biden has agreed to pay monthly child support retroactive to November 2018, ending a standoff that began days ago when the judge in his Arkansas paternity case ordered him to appear in person for a hearing to explain why he shouldn't be held in contempt.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Heelyes]

Glad to see Hunter is getting his finances in order just in time for daddy's big presidential run.

Hunter Biden agrees to pay monthly child support, ending standoff over contempt

Hunter Biden has agreed to pay monthly child support retroactive to November 2018, ending a standoff that began days ago when the judge in his Arkansas paternity case ordered him to appear in person for a hearing to explain why he shouldn't be held in contempt.

www.foxnews.com

Kinda like paying a pornstar to shut up about an affair right before the election

 

[stretch46]

Trump is a liar period. Cannot understand his wild popularity with his base and sadly he probably will not be impeached. Almost anyone running against him would be a better choice.

Hate to be the fact police but he has already been impeached. Your sadness will happen when he isn't removed from office.