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Sandbar said:
I have said this many times on this forum. STOP READING HIS TWITTER! Stop focusing on his Facebook. Because of the sensitive nature of my work, I dont latch on to social media so its easy for me but so many of you would live more relaxed lives if you just let him do the job he was elected to do and atop allowing your emotions to control you when it comes to politics. Let him be a narcassist. Let him be all these things that eat at you because NONE OF IT affects you unless you let it! Donald Trump isnt dividing this country because he tweets. You look at the last two GOP candidates McCain and Romney. Both tried to be the friendly guy in the middle and both got smoked. The Democrats have shown their hand. They are going hard left and dare you to defy them. Do you want somebody to punch back or does socialism really appeal to you?

I guess I got tired of leaving my family to deploy for 14 years only to come back home and watch the country I love and fought for get destroyed from within by the left and its media whores. I can stomach Trump if it means our country rises above the BS Obama and the left have put us through.
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This is patently false, Trump's tweet's are US policy for better or for worse, his words carry weight.....a errant tweet can crash a stock market or start a war.....look this is not some celebrity or youtuber we are talking about here, its the President of the USA, to pretend like his twitter is NBD is well asinine......if you want to ignore the obvious character flaws Trump has that's fine, if you want to pretend all these horrible ridiculous things he tweets with his all CAPS and misspelled words don't reflect on him and sadly us then that's fine but don't expect everyone else to be able to turn the same blind eye to Trump's behavior or to factor that in to their perception of him.
 
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Sandbar said:
I have said this many times on this forum. STOP READING HIS TWITTER! Stop focusing on his Facebook. Because of the sensitive nature of my work, I dont latch on to social media so its easy for me but so many of you would live more relaxed lives if you just let him do the job he was elected to do and atop allowing your emotions to control you when it comes to politics. Let him be a narcassist. Let him be all these things that eat at you because NONE OF IT affects you unless you let it! Donald Trump isnt dividing this country because he tweets. You look at the last two GOP candidates McCain and Romney. Both tried to be the friendly guy in the middle and both got smoked. The Democrats have shown their hand. They are going hard left and dare you to defy them. Do you want somebody to punch back or does socialism really appeal to you?

I guess I got tired of leaving my family to deploy for 14 years only to come back home and watch the country I love and fought for get destroyed from within by the left and its media whores. I can stomach Trump if it means our country rises above the BS Obama and the left have put us through.
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What BS did "Obama and the left" put you through? What were they doing that was supposedly destroying the country?
 
crecre9 said:
What BS did "Obama and the left" put you through? What were they doing that was supposedly destroying the country?
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“You can keep your doctor you can keep your plan” lies
Weakened our military
Weakened how we were seen on a global scale
Terrible trade deals that we’re losing American jobs
Maybe he didn’t destroy the country but he didn’t help us out that much
 
EV_WS said:
I realize I’m gonna get crushed for this because Trump supporters keep to themselves and lay in wait...

A certain President WOULDN’T have allowed 4 Americans to be killed in a foreign country’s embassy after days of requests for help.

A certain President WOULDN’T have drawn a “FAKE RED LINE” in the sand. (Result: Thousands killed)

Our President doesn’t take crap! You throw a slap (attack on our Iraqi embassy) You get your ASS KICKED !!

Oh, and the douche we took out this evening is responsible for hundreds if not more murders including Americans.

I’ve shown my hand ..... have at it. Much Love ❤️
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This is baffling. How so many of my fellow Americans are so blind to our own bias - to not realize that the act of killing another country's military leader (despite whatever records they have) with such impunity is in and of itself an act of unfounded war/terrorism - is remarkable. We cannot keep going around acting like we have moral superiority over any country to be acting this recklessly. Idgaf what kind of guy he was. There are many terrible leaders across this globe, why don't we go attack them? You reference the embassy "attack" as if it's reprehensible? Or maybe you just didn't know they should have a right to protest our airstrike on December 27th that killed 25 of their people? I mean seriously did you even know this Iranian military dude's name before today?

What's even more saddening to me personally is that (if you were born long enough) this is the same discourse that was being pushed in 2003 before the Iraq war. Make it seem like our act of aggression was warranted and cry foul if/when our opponents respond. For christ's sake why do we hate on policies that want to increase spending to cover the sick, disabled, and poor but we have NO PROBLEMS whatsoever to jump SO QUICKLY on the train of supporting war and bloodshed that costs trillions of effing dollars. Wake up and stop sipping the koolaid, folks. We are not 100% right in our foreign affairs and we need to embrace this fact and humble ourselves before going into another Middle Eastern conflict. I understand this post may seem far fetched, aggressive, and maybe even unpatriotic (please don't) to some minds but I get it, it's hard to be skeptical and not just plainly accept "news" that have not been conveyed responsibly to us. But please, open your eyes.
 
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whatitdo said:
This is baffling. How so many of my fellow Americans are so blind to our own bias - to not realize that the act of killing another country's military leader (despite whatever records they have) with such impunity is in and of itself an act of unfounded war/terrorism - is remarkable. We cannot keep going around acting like we have moral superiority over any country to be acting this recklessly. Idgaf what kind of guy he was. There are many terrible leaders across this globe, why don't we go attack them? You reference the embassy "attack" as if it's reprehensible? Or maybe you just didn't know they should have a right to protest our airstrike on December 27th that killed 25 of their people? I mean seriously did you even know this Iranian military dude's name before today?

What's even more saddening to me personally is that (if you were born long enough) this is the same discourse that was being pushed in 2003 before the Iraq war. Make it seem like our act of aggression was warranted and cry foul if/when our opponents respond. For christ's sake why do we hate on policies that want to increase spending to cover the sick, disabled, and poor but we have NO PROBLEMS whatsoever to jump SO QUICKLY on the train of supporting war and bloodshed that costs trillions of effing dollars. Wake up and stop sipping the koolaid, folks. We are not 100% right in our foreign affairs and we need to embrace this fact and humble ourselves before going into another Middle Eastern conflict. I understand this post may seem far fetched, aggressive, and maybe even unpatriotic (please don't) to some minds but I get it, it's hard to be skeptical and not just plainly accept "news" that have not been conveyed responsibly to us. But please, open your eyes.
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I knew his name. He is a terrorist. A global murderer responsible for scores of American lives when we were in Iraq. He launched rockets at a structure my unit was operating out of. He was planning attacks on us as of his death. The world is better off.....

This is not want I really want to type because my blood boiled when I read your post but I respect the boards rules
 
crecre9 said:
What BS did "Obama and the left" put you through? What were they doing that was supposedly destroying the country?
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I think him sitting in the Rose Garden and blaming Benghazi on a video which was a lie was close. As was his comments in the Trayvon Martin case way before the actual trial.
 
Downeastnc said:
This is patently false, Trump's tweet's are US policy for better or for worse, his words carry weight.....a errant tweet can crash a stock market or start a war.....look this is not some celebrity or youtuber we are talking about here, its the President of the USA, to pretend like his twitter is NBD is well asinine......if you want to ignore the obvious character flaws Trump has that's fine, if you want to pretend all these horrible ridiculous things he tweets with his all CAPS and misspelled words don't reflect on him and sadly us then that's fine but don't expect everyone else to be able to turn the same blind eye to Trump's behavior or to factor that in to their perception of him.
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His tweets can crash the stock market? Seriously? If you call him a child and a fool that tweets horrible ridiculous things I would tend to believe that "most" people with the means to crash the stock market can and have looked past his tweets. Its pretty obvious that the stock market is in very good hands so I think you are reaching. He has character flaws. Who would have thought that......I don't really care how you and others perceive the President. Don't expect you to turn a blind eye. Just bringing up the point that your stress and anxiety over him is a complete waste of your time.
 
crecre9 said:
What BS did "Obama and the left" put you through? What were they doing that was supposedly destroying the country?
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He caused me to lose my family health insurance. (Obama care) the rate went from 749.00 to 1524.00 overnight. He drove the economy so low with his socialist agenda that my business had to reduce our employees from 4 to 1 and a part timer. He caused my personal income to fall over 40 percent to an income I was bringing in 1995 as a helper in a store. I saw countless businesses fall, people out of work so long that they quit trying to find a job. I've tried to forget those years because they were so dark and depressing.
 
Sandbar said:
His tweets can crash the stock market? Seriously? If you call him a child and a fool that tweets horrible ridiculous things I would tend to believe that "most" people with the means to crash the stock market can and have looked past his tweets. Its pretty obvious that the stock market is in very good hands so I think you are reaching. He has character flaws. Who would have thought that......I don't really care how you and others perceive the President. Don't expect you to turn a blind eye. Just bringing up the point that your stress and anxiety over him is a complete waste of your time.
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First and foremost...I dont stress this stuff at all, I am a weather, news, politics junkie

As for his tweets not having impact it has literally happened before....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckj...-tweets-about-the-fed-and-china/#672442ed8b6e

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WEATHERBOYROY said:
He caused me to lose my family health insurance. (Obama care) the rate went from 749.00 to 1524.00 overnight. He drove the economy so low with his socialist agenda that my business had to reduce our employees from 4 to 1 and a part timer. He caused my personal income to fall over 40 percent to an income I was bringing in 1995 as a helper in a store. I saw countless businesses fall, people out of work so long that they quit trying to find a job. I've tried to forget those years because they were so dark and depressing.
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I hate when people make me defend Obama....

The economy had already crashed when Obama took over....generally speaking the economy recovered greatly under Obama....

Obamacare is a disaster, my wife's insurance which went from being 100% covered by her employer to one of those plans that they couldnt keep and for that year we had to pay $300 a month to keep her covered until I could get her under my plan.
 
My 18 year old son can be sent to war and to prison but not to the store to buy me cigarettes, seems fair.
 
Heelyes said:
My 18 year old son can be sent to war and to prison but not to the store to buy me cigarettes, seems fair.
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I agree, it's a stupid law and shows you just how much government wants to run our lives, regardless of what letter is beside their name.
 
Sandbar said:
I knew his name. He is a terrorist. A global murderer responsible for scores of American lives when we were in Iraq. He launched rockets at a structure my unit was operating out of. He was planning attacks on us as of his death. The world is better off.....

This is not want I really want to type because my blood boiled when I read your post but I respect the boards rules
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You point the finger at him calling him a terrorist and global murderer. You mention the American lives he was responsible for taking while in Iraq some 15 years ago. You talk of him planning attacks on us as of his death. I don't deny any of this, but let me ask you something.

Could you not say the same toward our military leaders? You think we don't have military leaders responsible for the death of many innocent civilians? You think that fact alone doesn't come across as terrorism to many? You think we don't sit at the table and plan our own attacks on our enemies? You think we are so exempt, so innocent, so righteous? You bringing up Soleimani's responsibility for 100s of American deaths during the Iraq war as something totally unwarranted even though we illegally invaded them doesn't even make sense. Do you care about context or do you only care that Americans were killed? Let's stop acting like we didn't kill 200k Iraqi civilians when we were in Iraq. Let's stop acting like we don't order airstrikes on countries and kill their civilians so often and so recklessly. This false sense of bravado in your post of conveying that we are so unworthy of wrongdoing, of placing so much more value to American lives than other lives, of never wanting to at least acknowledge the trauma we have inflicted in the region, is the very reason people around the globe harbor a negative view of us. No one is invading America. No one is propping up military bases around us like we have done in the middle east.

Do not sacrifice your humanity for patriotism. Your blood is boiling, that's good bro, let it boil. I was like you once, unaware of the world around us and the impact our actions have had. Trust me, it will boil even harder when you start to realize how damaging our obsession with being a military superpower is to this country. We spend more on our military (trump wants 750 billion) than the next 6-7 countries combined, yet we have people at home dying from lack of healthcare, struggling with crippling debt, and battling homelessness and hunger. But who's gonna pay for all those things, right?
 
whatitdo said:
You point the finger at him calling him a terrorist and global murderer. You mention the American lives he was responsible for taking while in Iraq some 15 years ago. You talk of him planning attacks on us as of his death. I don't deny any of this, but let me ask you something.

Could you not say the same toward our military leaders? You think we don't have military leaders responsible for the death of many innocent civilians? You think that fact alone doesn't come across as terrorism to many? You think we don't sit at the table and plan our own attacks on our enemies? You think we are so exempt, so innocent, so righteous? You bringing up Soleimani's responsibility for 100s of American deaths during the Iraq war as something totally unwarranted even though we illegally invaded them doesn't even make sense. Do you care about context or do you only care that Americans were killed? Let's stop acting like we didn't kill 200k Iraqi civilians when we were in Iraq. Let's stop acting like we don't order airstrikes on countries and kill their civilians so often and so recklessly. This false sense of bravado in your post of conveying that we are so unworthy of wrongdoing, of placing so much more value to American lives than other lives, of never wanting to at least acknowledge the trauma we have inflicted in the region, is the very reason people around the globe harbor a negative view of us. No one is invading America. No one is propping up military bases around us like we have done in the middle east.

Do not sacrifice your humanity for patriotism. Your blood is boiling, that's good bro, let it boil. I was like you once, unaware of the world around us and the impact our actions have had. Trust me, it will boil even harder when you start to realize how damaging our obsession with being a military superpower is to this country. We spend more on our military (trump wants 750 billion) than the next 6-7 countries combined, yet we have people at home dying from lack of healthcare, struggling with crippling debt, and battling homelessness and hunger. But who's gonna pay for all those things, right?
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I tell you what, and I am gonna keep these polite because people like you piss me off. I deployed over a dozen times. Ramadi, Baghdad, Fallujha, Afghanistan. I saw some of the worse of these people you could possibly see. I still see it today as a government contractor. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE about war other than what you read and regurgitate. You don't know the sacrifice we make to protect civilians. The same civilians we saw butchered in the streets on a daily basis. Do yourself and this board a favor and don't call me out on something you have no effing clue about and never will know about. Its a hell of a lot easier to point a finger than it is a gun
 
Sandbar said:
I tell you what, and I am gonna keep these polite because people like you piss me off. I deployed over a dozen times. Ramadi, Baghdad, Fallujha, Afghanistan. I saw some of the worse of these people you could possibly see. I still see it today as a government contractor. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE about war other than what you read and regurgitate. You don't know the sacrifice we make to protect civilians. The same civilians we saw butchered in the streets on a daily basis. Do yourself and this board a favor and don't call me out on something you have no effing clue about and never will know about. Its a hell of a lot easier to point a finger than it is a gun
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Actually, I do have a clue about war, having experienced it many times. I have family spread across the middle east. Family killed, to that effect. If you thought you were doing the civilians of other countries a favor by invading them, I have bad news for you. You will never know the fear of impending doom that middle eastern civilians harbor when the world's strongest military is invading and their air force is screeching above you, knowing you'll be just another statistic in a barrage of global proxy conflicts. You'll never understand how worthless your life is in that regard. I appreciate your service, I really do. You musta seen some crazy stuff as well. I understand the anger towards me, though it's misplaced. But you are blinded by our government my friend. It's almost Orwellian. I'm not calling you out. I'm calling out your thought process and challenging you to entertain different perspectives. And the sooner we can all do that, the better.
 
whatitdo said:
Actually, I do have a clue about war, having experienced it many times. I have family spread across the middle east. Family killed, to that effect. If you thought you were doing the civilians of other countries a favor by invading them, I have bad news for you. You will never know the fear of impending doom that middle eastern civilians harbor when the world's strongest military is invading and their air force is screeching above you, knowing you'll be just another statistic in a barrage of global proxy conflicts. You'll never understand how worthless your life is in that regard. I appreciate your service, I really do. You musta seen some crazy stuff as well. I understand the anger towards me, though it's misplaced. But you are blinded by our government my friend. It's almost Orwellian. I'm not calling you out. I'm calling out your thought process and challenging you to entertain different perspectives. And the sooner we can all do that, the better.
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I have watched several of my brothers take their last breath. Watched civilians die in front of me. Believe me when I say that I don't need you calling out my thought process or asking me to entertain different perspectives on anything. I have worked for the government my entire life, I know how it works. I'm gonna end this conversation with you right here before I lose it on you. Have a good day........
 
Sandbar said:
I have watched several of my brothers take their last breath. Watched civilians die in front of me. Believe me when I say that I don't need you calling out my thought process or asking me to entertain different perspectives on anything. I have worked for the government my entire life, I know how it works. I'm gonna end this conversation with you right here before I lose it on you. Have a good day........
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What you fail to understand is that you didn’t have to see or experience all those terrible things, or protected the civilians of countries that were invaded, had we not invaded in the first place. Good day to you as well. I truly harbor no ill will towards you.
 
Downeastnc said:
I hate when people make me defend Obama....

The economy had already crashed when Obama took over....generally speaking the economy recovered greatly under Obama....

Obamacare is a disaster, my wife's insurance which went from being 100% covered by her employer to one of those plans that they couldnt keep and for that year we had to pay $300 a month to keep her covered until I could get her under my plan.
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There is no defending Obama....His self claimed greatest accomplishment was Obamacare. He made every effort to separate our nation by use of his Eric Holder ( DOJ ) Guns to mexican cartel Racism became rampant, Lois learner ( IRS ) conservative groups attacked , and Susan Rice (national security adviser) and Hillary Clinton (Secretary of State) Dreadful lies about the Benghazi attack. Over 12 hours the Americans were knowingly abandoned to die at the hands of radical Muslim militants, as Hillary Clinton watched from the situation room, and hopefully Obama got some beauty sleep. Nobody sent help, in fact the help that was in the neighborhood was commanded to stand down?!!!
Obama made the statement he wanted to fundamentally change America, and he did. He didn't love our people or form of government. He has no defense!
 
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