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Tropical Major Hurricane Helene

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They are restricting access to a lot of areas because its completely unsafe to be in those areas, there is no infrastructure, no communications, the last thing they want or need is a lot of people who do not know the land trying to "help" by getting stuck or in a situation that requires them to divert much need resources. Its tough to coordinate efforts when you do not have control of every aspect of that effort, this is why they want to have everyone go through the system they have set up. People mean well but when they have random helicopters flying around or people driving around getting lost or stuck and having to be pulled out it interferes with the effort.

It was the same during Floyd, I remember a specific case where they stopped a guy who was trying to launch a jet ski to help, they made sure they had his information and that he was given a radio so he could be in contact with the HQ and other rescue teams etc...if they had not had a spare radio he would not have been allowed to go out. Right now there is zero focus on anything more than finding everyone still cutoff that are running low on meds and food and water and getting them out.
 
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RDUHeatIsland said:
I don't have velocity numbers but I know the discharge on rivers across the regions were incredible. For example the South Toe's discharge hit 18,400 cubic ft/sec before the sensor went down. It could have easily peaked in the 20-30k range. For those who aren't familiar with discharge, it's the volume of water flowing through a river at a given time. To put this in perspective, the Potomac at DC averages ~11,000 cfs, and the Hudson at NYC is ~20,000 cfs. I can't find any sensors near Chimney Rock but at a glance the South Toe and Broad look similar in size. You basically had the equivalent of the Hudson River flowing through that tight valley which is mind-boggling.

South Toe River Near Celo, NC

Monitoring location 03463300 is associated with a Stream in Yancey County, North Carolina. Current conditions of Discharge, Gage height, and Stream water level elevation above NAVD 1988 are available. Water data back to 1957 are available online.
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Here is the Nolichucky (drainage from the Toe river) - 88200 cubic feet per second at peak flow. That's crazy stupid flooding.

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Monitoring location 03465500 is associated with a Stream in Washington County, Tennessee. Current conditions of Discharge and Gage height are available. Water data back to 1900 are available online.
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GaWx said:
I read that FEMA disaster assistance was paying out to those with food spoilage losses due to very long power outages. This has nothing to do with the NFIP. This doesn’t sound right but I was asked to find out. Does anyone know?
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Heard this reported on WWNC 🙂

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FEMA assistance available if you threw out spoiled food from Helene | 98.7 The River | Mark Robertson

If a power failure led to your leaving food in your refrigerator longer than 4 hours, you may need to throw it away. But you can get money to reimburse you for that loss. Here is what you need to know.
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Tarheel1 said:
Greenville County Schools closed Monday
7 th school day missed so far
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They also posted a great video today on FB of them riding around assessing damage and the determining factors for when school goes back . Greenville County Schools on FB
It also shows the scope of damage in Greenville county
 
BullCityWx said:
Heard this reported on WWNC 🙂

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FEMA assistance available if you threw out spoiled food from Helene | 98.7 The River | Mark Robertson

If a power failure led to your leaving food in your refrigerator longer than 4 hours, you may need to throw it away. But you can get money to reimburse you for that loss. Here is what you need to know.
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Thank you! I called FEMA.

-Since March, FEMA has been paying $750 for food losses from storms. Must be done within 30 days of storm. Has nothing to do with whether you have NFIP.

-For those in GA who are wondering, FEMA confirmed residents in certain counties in GA (including mine) can apply.

-Fulton/Dekalb not on list (at least yet), but Richmond is ( @GeorgiaGirl ) as well as many others. You can still apply before your county is on list just in case it gets added later.

-For all states call 800-621-3362 or apply online at http://disasterassistance.gov/ and click on the red. On phone they’ll tell you if your county is on list.

- I think power had to be out 3 days but don’t hold me to that

-Supposedly most get the $750 if power was out long enough. It is all or nothing.

-If denied, can appeal
 
GaWx said:
-Fulton/Dekalb not on list (at least yet), but Richmond is ( @GeorgiaGirl ) as well as many others. You can still apply before your county is on list just in case it gets added later.
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Thanks, but in all honesty, I'm not sure we "really" need it (maybe I'll mention it tomorrow and see). We had to throw away plenty of stuff, but this didn't come right after a shopping trip.

The only thing that wouldn't keep that was significant for us was tilapia, and I have a funny story here that I may try to remember for many years.

Dad cooked the fish on Sunday on a gas grill of my neighbor's...only to manage to drop the plate of hot food on the floor in the dark.

Guess what? That was the first time I have ever eaten a significant amount of food from the floor. It turned out fine.
 
GaWx said:
What does this tweet/video prove?
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I think it proves that we know nothing. They are countering the counter information with more counter information. It’s an endless loop. With these disasters, history tends to repeat itself. You can rest assured that government funded agencies will almost never do enough and will never do the right thing. We can’t even get approved by FEMA for something as simple as food spoilage right now. Also being that I am in a disaster zone and being a type 1 diabetic they are supposed to reimburse me for a generator if I choose to purchase one. That’s an insurmountable task for them. I’m not even going to try because I know that they are incapable.

I hope this post can stay here but if not I understand.
 
GaWx said:
Thank you! I called FEMA.

-Since March, FEMA has been paying $750 for food losses from storms. Must be done within 30 days of storm. Has nothing to do with whether you have NFIP.

-For those in GA who are wondering, FEMA confirmed residents in certain counties in GA (including mine) can apply.

-Fulton/Dekalb not on list (at least yet), but Richmond is ( @GeorgiaGirl ) as well as many others. You can still apply before your county is on list just in case it gets added later.

-For all states call 800-621-3362 or apply online at http://disasterassistance.gov/ and click on the red. On phone they’ll tell you if your county is on list.

- I think power had to be out 3 days but don’t hold me to that

-Supposedly most get the $750 if power was out long enough. It is all or nothing.

-If denied, can appeal
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Thanks for this info. I still don’t have power. I also heard today they will reimburse for a generator if it is medically necessary so I should qualify for that because of my son. I had one from the ice storm but it was not stored properly, carburetor got clogged and my nephew tried to clean it but broke a part. I had to buy a new one. I’m going to get a Generac and thought I had time before winter. Never thought we would get a hurricane. I’ve been here 54 years. I saw NWS confirmed 100mph winds here. So many trees down and lives lost.

Edited to add this is nothing compared to NC and TN. That is so heartbreaking, I pray they can soon get to all those people who are still isolated and help the ones who lost everything.
 
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We're safe and finally home after a week . I hope never experience a storm of this magnitude again. Roads and bridges washed out everywhere. I live near the Catawba River and it came inland a mile!!! Pray for our mountain communities. It will take us years to rebuild.
 
severestorm said:
Same. Duke told me today but so many in Asheville is without power. After they restore a power line another issue appears. Duke really dropped the ball on this one.
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Don't mean to be harsh but what more can Duke do? We have power companies from all over. Parts of Buncombe county are completely gone. Just heard of more deaths yesterday from the flooding. Have you seen the destruction in person? This disaster is unprecedented for our area. I'm right there with you. No power since last Friday at 6 am on the dot. We just have to adapt and survive bro.
 
FEMA assistance…. Disasterassistance.gov

Please apply through the website. There’s no food spoilage requirement. If you’re in a declared county the process is pretty automatic. On the site they’ll list a center for your area. Once things are calmed down go there and ask about additional assistance or a generator. FEMA exists in part to hand out this money to people. These negative stories out there discourage people. It’s 100% that You ain’t getting nothing if you don’t apply.


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EWoo said:
FEMA assistance…. Disasterassistance.gov

Please apply through the website. There’s no food spoilage requirement. If you’re in a declared county the process is pretty automatic. On the site they’ll list a center for your area. Once things are calmed down go there and ask about additional assistance or a generator. FEMA exists in part to hand out this money to people. These negative stories out there discourage people. It’s 100% that You ain’t getting nothing if you don’t apply.


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I applied it was easy. Have a hole in my roof from the wind.
 
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DustinWx said:
Whos it for if it’s not for the disaster relief?

I know this is a risky post, so folks please don’t go political, but I can’t help but ask.

Sort of a redundant question I know
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I take it anyone who has insurance is just out of luck with FEMA?
 
DustinWx said:
Whos it for if it’s not for the disaster relief?

I know this is a risky post, so folks please don’t go political, but I can’t help but ask.

Sort of a redundant question I know
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Yeah I won’t comment on that bc the thread will get locked. When my insurance agent gets back from Disney world ( 🤦🏼‍♂️) I’ll inquire about my homeowners insurance covering a small portion but I won’t hold my breath. I obviously don’t need it as much as a lot of people but that shouldn’t negate the fact that I too could use a helping hand through all of this. I feel we’ve all suffered to a degree and that’s OK. Some had it worse than we did and some had it better then we did. If you want a little help it should always be there. We’re all tired. Some more tired than others.
 
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