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Wintry Machine Learning Mauler 1/30-2/1

Typically with these northern stream ULL’s we trend to more digging to the west and therefore more amplification. Usually in the day 3-5 range. I’d expect the same here
It’s probably going to occlude further north than what the most aggressive models like the icon are showing.

Just bc you don’t usually have polar lobes occluding in savannah, lol. They always click north, imo.

But that’s not a deal breaker for any of us as long as the base of the trough keeps making progress digging further south and west…. Then we get a nice event originating from the gulf before New England gets their monster.
 
Be interesting to read the afternoon AFD from WPC. They will also be ramping up qpf forecast Day4-5, Im sure. Doesn't matter what type of blend of model suites they choose. They all have the same end results.
Ive noticed They do pay attn/ discuss the AI models sometimes. But I've found they are more reactive to situations, than pro active
 
EPS surface...day 4 gulf low. By tomorrow we will looking at spot being only 60 hours out.

I could see this becoming a coastal hugger right over Carolina Beach to Morehead City

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You would think it would want to ride the Gulf Stream / max baroclinicity all things being equal as it's quite warm and undisturbed, just waiting in the wings.
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You would think it would want to ride the Gulf Stream / max baroclinicity all things being equal as it's quite warm and undisturbed, just waiting in the wings.
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Path of least resistance. Its generally where you'll find the best baroclinicity during the winter season. Also a testament of how cold it has been recently with that strong of a cold SST anomaly near shore.
 
What matters for the upstate and northeast Georgia is the vort max passing beneath us. Trough orientation/closing off isn’t imperative. We will get a nice snow as long as we stay on the north side of that vort pass…

A further south and west digging vort may imply a later/weaker/further east occlusion later on if it’s strung out more, (Or the opposite if it’s further south and west but bundled), but we aren’t dependent on the occlusion here for a decent event.

Every man for himself!
And the good news we won't need a lot... every tenth of an inch liquid goes a really long way. Upper teens in the upstate. A balmy 23 here but i'll take it.

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Not sure about Raleigh, but we did it over here back on Jan 7 1988 I think. If I remember right, I saw 17 degrees on my thermometer that day with heavy snow falling.
Some of these temps though are similar to the President’s Day storm in 1979 though not quite as extreme. That storm saw GSO in the single digits with heavy snow at one point
 
Next 48 hours will be interesting. It was about 4 days out when this weekend's storm went from a massive snow storm on the models to ice. But this is a completely different setup and we are going to be cold this week. Great seeing three models with a massive hit and one, the GFS, with a pretty big one, too.
 
When was the last time we had this big a snow in the teens....in the middle of the day.


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At GSO, we were close to upper teens for the February 2014 storm when it started. Might've technically been 20 or 21. I remember it stuck immediately to the roads, which isn't something you often see during the day immediately, especially in February. Didn't stop the warm nose from changing us over to sleet and then ZR several hours later, though!
 
At GSO, we were close to upper teens for the February 2014 storm when it started. Might've technically been 20 or 21. I remember it stuck immediately to the roads, which isn't something you often see during the day immediately, especially in February. Didn't stop the warm nose from changing us over to sleet and then ZR several hours later, though!
We were even in the low 20s in fort mill. Went from pure powder that day to the next day which was incredibly wet snow.
 
And the good news we won't need a lot... every tenth of an inch liquid goes a really long way. Upper teens in the upstate. A balmy 23 here but i'll take it.

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You’re gonna want to be under that convergence zone of warmer air… because there’s a good chance that’s where a snow band sets up Saturday afternoon and could locally dump much more snow than the surrounding areas.
 
Charleston also addressing the setup.
KEY MESSAGE 2: Very cold temperatures and the possibility of winter
weather could impact the region this weekend.

Beginning Friday, there is good model agreement (deterministic and
ensemble) that a sharp trough and developing closed low will dive
southwards out of the Great Lakes region. This upper low is expected
to steadily deepen as it pushes to the south, settling somewhere
across the Carolinas Saturday night into Sunday. At the surface,
arctic high pressure is expected to drop southward out of central
Canada and across the central CONUS. As this occurs, the
aforementioned upper low should drive surface low development
somewhere along or just off the Southeast coast Saturday and
Saturday night. The proximity of this developing low to the coast
would then have significant implications for the inland extent of
any precipitation development, as well as the potential for any
winter weather across southeast GA and southeast SC.

To be clear, this setup looks completely different compared to the
winter weather event across the region this past weekend. The upper
low and arctic surface front look to usher in an anomalously and
deeply cold airmass. In fact, the 26/00z NAEFS suggests the
potential for temperatures through the column on the order of 3 to 4
standard deviations below normal. There remains significant
uncertainty surrounding the surface low including the timing of its
development and proximity to the Southeast coast, all of which will
have crucial implications regarding the potential for winter weather
and its extent across the forecast area. However, there is enough
model support and consistency to warrant the inclusion of
precipitation chances across the entire forecast areas as well as
the mention of snow this weekend.

While the above forecast items remain low confidence, there is
relatively high confidence in a period of very cold temperatures
this weekend. Highs only in the 30s look increasingly likely
Saturday and Sunday, with Saturday night/Sunday morning lows dipping
well into the teens. Such values would be on the order of 20-25
degrees below normal for late January and early February. See the
Climate section below for a list of record low temperatures and
record low max temperatures.
 
These ensemble and AI maps are 10:1.

If ever there was not a 10:1 storm this is it.
I have to admit, I am usually very skeptical about greater than 10:1 ratios in a lot of these storms. I feel like it gets thrown around a lot more often than it actually happens. But looking at the RDU sounding - this is the warmest frame and yeah, this is definitely 15:1 and probably 20:1.
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