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GaWx said:
deltadog03 said:
I think you could realistically say by the end of the month pattern change. Maybe as soon as 10 days from now.

 Agreed and the 12Z GEFS agrees as it says the transition is 1/24 and we go to a little below normal 1/25 through the end of its run.

 Good news. The 12 EPS is actually about one day faster than the 12z GEFS.
 
GaWx said:
GaWx said:
deltadog03 said:
I think you could realistically say by the end of the month pattern change. Maybe as soon as 10 days from now.

 Agreed and the 12Z GEFS agrees as it says the transition is 1/24 and we go to a little below normal 1/25 through the end of its run.

 Good news. The 12 EPS is actually about one day faster than the 12z GEFS.
haven't had time to look yet. that's good news Larry . Sounds like we are on track

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wow the 12z eps looks really good . there is actually really good model agreement now as we roll forward for a return to colder weather . Lots to consider, can we get the the STJ involved? How long will the pattern hold ? Wildcard is the PNA, if it comes to life we could have some real fun.

I'm still on the fence about the sustainability of the pattern . I for sure don't see any longterm cold pattern locking in. still feel like it's going to be a quick window and that's fine with me.

January 26th - February 12th seems to be our window at this point.

Fun times ahead

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Storm5 said:
wow the 12z eps looks really good . there is actually really good model agreement now as we roll forward for a return to colder weather . Lots to consider, can we get the the STJ involved? How long will the pattern hold ? Wildcard is the PNA, if it comes to life we could have some real fun.
I'm still on the fence about the sustainability of the pattern . I for sure don't see any longterm cold pattern locking in. still feel like it's going to be a quick window and that's fine with me.
January 26th - February 12th seems to be our window at this point.
Fun times ahead
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Just sucks that we can't get blocking. Or we are just going to have 2-3 days cold shots, but we could time one out like this past weekend! With the long term set up looking more Nino-like, with split flow possibilities, would really love to have blocking actually materialize!
 
Storm5 said:
wow the 12z eps looks really good . there is actually really good model agreement now as we roll forward for a return to colder weather . Lots to consider, can we get the the STJ involved? How long will the pattern hold ? Wildcard is the PNA, if it comes to life we could have some real fun.

I'm still on the fence about the sustainability of the pattern . I for sure don't see any longterm cold pattern locking in. still feel like it's going to be a quick window and that's fine with me.

January 26th - February 12th seems to be our window at this point.

Fun times ahead

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I would agree that given the setup we have 2-3 wks of a good setup and after that winter may be over in the SE but we'll see.


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Storm5 said:
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Oh lordy, can't we just tell them now?!
 
Shawn said:
Storm5 said:
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Oh lordy, can't we just tell them now?!

I am ready for it!  :cool:
 
Storm5 said:
GaWx said:
GaWx said:
 Agreed and the 12Z GEFS agrees as it says the transition is 1/24 and we go to a little below normal 1/25 through the end of its run.

 Good news. The 12 EPS is actually about one day faster than the 12z GEFS.
haven't had time to look yet. that's good news Larry . Sounds like we are on track

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 Yep, and we can now add the 18Z GEFS, which has similar pattern change timing to the 12Z GEFS, if not a little faster though not as fast as the 12Z EPS.

 Just to give an idea of the change per the 18Z GEFS: 850's average a whopping +8C to +9C now through 1/23 for Birmingham-ATL-AHN-GSP-Charlotte-RDU corridor. Then they fall to 0C 1/25-1/27 (end of run, when E US trough firmly in place). That represents about a 15F drop, which is quite a clearcut signal considering we're talking ensemble mean here as well as being pretty far out in time.

 So, in summary, change is very likely a coming for the last week of January but not before we have a pretty long run of some very pleasant wx dominating. It is hard to beat the ups and downs of a typical southern winter!
 
SoutheastRidge said:
What is the exciting news ?
There are some good things in the works. They should start trickling in soon :)

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GaWx said:
Storm5 said:
GaWx said:
 Good news. The 12 EPS is actually about one day faster than the 12z GEFS.
haven't had time to look yet. that's good news Larry . Sounds like we are on track

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 Yep, and we can now add the 18Z GEFS, which has similar pattern change timing to the 12Z GEFS, if not a little faster though not as fast as the 12Z EPS.

 Just to give an idea of the change per the 18Z GEFS: 850's average a whopping +8C to +9C now through 1/23 for Birmingham-ATL-AHN-GSP-Charlotte-RDU corridor. Then they fall to 0C 1/25-1/27 (end of run, when E US trough firmly in place). That represents about a 15F drop, which is quite a clearcut signal considering we're talking ensemble mean here as well as being pretty far out in time.

 So, in summary, change is very likely a coming for the last week of January but not before we have a pretty long run of some very pleasant wx dominating. It is hard to beat the ups and downs of a typical southern winter!
Personally, I don't mind relatively long breaks in the cold. I would think that constant cold for months would get a little old.
 
Tarheel1 said:
Storm5 said:
wow the 12z eps looks really good . there is actually really good model agreement now as we roll forward for a return to colder weather . Lots to consider, can we get the the STJ involved? How long will the pattern hold ? Wildcard is the PNA, if it comes to life we could have some real fun.
I'm still on the fence about the sustainability of the pattern . I for sure don't see any longterm cold pattern locking in. still feel like it's going to be a quick window and that's fine with me.
January 26th - February 12th seems to be our window at this point.
Fun times ahead
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Just sucks that we can't get blocking. Or we are just going to have 2-3 days cold shots, but we could time one out like this past weekend! With the long term set up looking more Nino-like, with split flow possibilities, would really love to have blocking actually materialize!
honestly at this point we will have to just take our chances with timing which isn't anything new with how the winters have gone over the past few years .

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SD said:
SoutheastRidge said:
What is the exciting news ?
There are some good things in the works.  They should start trickling in soon :)

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SD,  do you think it will be another transient type pattern setting up or does this one have merit with it or isn't too early to know for sure? I know I've heard talk about a little strat warming and things changing in pacific but wasn't sure if that would be enough to shake things up compared to what's been happening so far. I personally don't want another transient setup because it's tough, esp in the south. I'm rooting for a different setup compared to what we have had so far. 
 
Starting to get a little excited for the period of Jan 25ish-Feb 12ish. Looks like some possible fun and games.


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Golf7070 said:
SD said:
SoutheastRidge said:
What is the exciting news ?
There are some good things in the works.  They should start trickling in soon :)

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SD,  do you think it will be another transient type pattern setting up or does this one have merit with it or isn't too early to know for sure? I know I've heard talk about a little strat warming and things changing in pacific but wasn't sure if that would be enough to shake things up compared to what's been happening so far. I personally don't want another transient setup because it's tough, esp in the south. I'm rooting for a different setup compared to what we have had so far. 
I think that we will transition to a colder pattern in the 10-15 day period. The ridge/above normal heights in East Canada will play a big role. I noticed the euro control developed a Rex block in this area on the 12z run which seems a little extreme. All things considered if we can see the pacific jet retract and get some pacific help we could get a decent sustained period of cold. I will say I don't think it's impossible to think we are tracking a threat in about 2 weeks

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whatalife said:
Starting to get a little excited for the period of Jan 25ish-Feb 12ish. Looks like some possible fun and games.


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Yep really want to slow the pac jet. Looking near the Aleutians to the goa in about days 7-10

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Talk Weather is back up. Just saying for the people that didn't know.

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Well the last time you guys predicted we would enter a good period you were right. I remember people in December saying Jan 5-10 was a good period so I'm trusting you are right this time when you say late Jan and early Feb is another good period.
 
SoutheastRidge said:
Well the last time you guys predicted we would enter a good period you were right. I remember people in December saying Jan 5-10 was a good period so I'm trusting you are right this time when you say late Jan and early Feb is another good period.


We certainly have a lot of model (ensemble) agreement for the upcoming timeframe we are talking about.


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whatalife said:
SoutheastRidge said:
Well the last time you guys predicted we would enter a good period you were right. I remember people in December saying Jan 5-10 was a good period so I'm trusting you are right this time when you say late Jan and early Feb is another good period.
We certainly have a lot of model (ensemble) agreement for the upcoming timeframe we are talking about.
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I mean I'm sure it's possible things can change between now and then but it's certainly nice to have some agreement in the models. Let's all just enjoy these next 2 weeks and then hopefully we get a boardwide major snowstorm.
 
the upper air pattern in my opinion is the key factor for snow chances in the SE, you need to have the COLD to get snow and the upper air controls where that cold air goes......late month looks favorable in the upper air.....details are impossible to know but it can be known that to get snow COLD is required.
 
A -NAO and a +PNA is the best favorable pattern for good snow storms. The NAO should trend negative and the PNA should trend positive for late month. The systems that come up from the southern stream is the systems we need to watch. Or even watch out for the subtropical jet that could bring overrunning.

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Models aren't looking too bad from a long-range ensemble perspective.

About our big things coming up...
- For one, I can already say we will be moving to a very very fast server soon.  In other words, no more lagging problems or website going down during events!

In even bigger news, we have some really special things up our sleeves that will make people say "really? how?".  We don't want to announce that quite yet. But we have confirmation and it's going to be quite awesome & unique! We may need your help with it actually. :) Lets get the new server up and we will get back to you on it.
 
Shawn said:
Models aren't looking too bad from a long-range ensemble perspective.

About our big things coming up...
- For one, I can already say we will be moving to a very very fast server soon.  In other words, no more lagging problems or website going down during events!

In even bigger news, we have some really special things up our sleeves that will make people say "really? how?".  We don't want to announce that quite yet. But we have confirmation and it's going to be quite awesome & unique! We may need your help with it actually. :) Lets get the new server up and we will get back to you on it.
Sounds very exciting, can't wait for the new fast server. We won't have to worry about the server failing on us anymore. I'll help out on whatever this new thing will be. Can't wait to find out of what it is.

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NorthGAWinterWx said:
Shawn said:
Models aren't looking too bad from a long-range ensemble perspective.

About our big things coming up...
- For one, I can already say we will be moving to a very very fast server soon.  In other words, no more lagging problems or website going down during events!

In even bigger news, we have some really special things up our sleeves that will make people say "really? how?".  We don't want to announce that quite yet.  But we have confirmation and it's going to be quite awesome & unique!  We may need your help with it actually.  :)  Lets get the new server up and we will get back to you on it.
Sounds very exciting, can't wait for the new fast server. We won't have to worry about the server failing on us anymore. I'll help out on whatever this new thing will be. Can't wait to find out of what it is.

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In actuality this all should start to unfold in less than 2 weeks.  We will be working with the server this weekend.  The amazing parts are very close. ;)
 
Shawn said:
Models aren't looking too bad from a long-range ensemble perspective.

About our big things coming up...
- For one, I can already say we will be moving to a very very fast server soon.  In other words, no more lagging problems or website going down during events!

In even bigger news, we have some really special things up our sleeves that will make people say "really? how?".  We don't want to announce that quite yet.  But we have confirmation and it's going to be quite awesome & unique!  We may need your help with it actually.  :)  Lets get the new server up and we will get back to you on it.

Sign me up! I will be glad to help  :)
 
Shawn said:
NorthGAWinterWx said:
Shawn said:
Models aren't looking too bad from a long-range ensemble perspective.

About our big things coming up...
- For one, I can already say we will be moving to a very very fast server soon.  In other words, no more lagging problems or website going down during events!

In even bigger news, we have some really special things up our sleeves that will make people say "really? how?".  We don't want to announce that quite yet.  But we have confirmation and it's going to be quite awesome & unique!  We may need your help with it actually.  :)  Lets get the new server up and we will get back to you on it.
Sounds very exciting, can't wait for the new fast server. We won't have to worry about the server failing on us anymore. I'll help out on whatever this new thing will be. Can't wait to find out of what it is.

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In actuality this all should start to unfold in less than 2 weeks.  We will be working with the server this weekend.  The amazing parts are very close. ;)
Oh good, I'm glad we're having a taste of spring and no major active storms while this will be going on. When the new server comes online, will I have to update everything again on my profile? You may want to start a thread up about the changes coming if you haven't already and add in there about the new thing. (I don't know about the new thing coming lol)

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NorthGAWinterWx said:
Shawn said:
NorthGAWinterWx said:
Sounds very exciting, can't wait for the new fast server. We won't have to worry about the server failing on us anymore. I'll help out on whatever this new thing will be. Can't wait to find out of what it is.

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In actuality this all should start to unfold in less than 2 weeks.  We will be working with the server this weekend.  The amazing parts are very close. ;)
Oh good, I'm glad we're having a taste of spring and no major active storms while this will be going on. When the new server comes online, will I have to update everything again on my profile? You may want to start a thread up about the changes coming if you haven't already and add in there about the new thing. (I don't know about the new thing coming lol)

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No more updates needed.  The reason for the problems before is because we grew too fast!  We were in a spot where we could either let the site stay offline or relaunch and have something working for the "current event".  We decided to get the site back up and working again for the current event.  This time, it will work out much better. :)

If everything goes right, this site will work and behave just like it is right now for everyone. No more re-registrations, new posts, new threads. I'm confident we will have it running right. Making sure before the switch!

We are forced to move servers to get better reliability because of what we are about to introduce over here. Weather fans will love it!
 
Please take w/a grain of salt as this picture is at hour 384 on the 00z GFS and I like where our pattern is headed.
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Hi guys, looking forward to keeping up with the flow of remaining winter & winters to come with y'all. Now if i could just get my old 3G phone to pull up the site i'll be set.
 
0z GFS, yes I know this isn't from the ensemble but the OP has been showing the colder pattern change on each of it's runs lately. Still looking good for late month. GFS showing system after system out in the Pacific. Some of those systems should make their way down into the southern stream. I'm feeling confident that we will have cold wintry days ahead after the 20th. By the way, where is everyone? We got winter weather to discuss here lol.
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Everyone accepted their upper 60s and 70s. They will come back when they hear colder weather in their forecasts.
 
Shawn said:
Everyone accepted their upper 60s and 70s. They will come back when they hear colder weather in their forecasts.


I will be enjoying them this weekend for sure.


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I say enjoy them because if modeling is right, the first half of Feb at the least will be rocking for many in the Southeast! I am wearing shorts right now, and I am sick! That's not normal. But I think it was Wilkesboro that said there will be a slingshot effect. It will come... sooner than later.
 
Shawn said:
Everyone accepted their upper 60s and 70s. They will come back when they hear colder weather in their forecasts.
Yup, true that. I'll enjoy the warm temps too. I'm going to finish blowing the leaves off the yard this weekend.

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Everytime I see someone post something, I feel like I need to click "like". I think we will bring a like feature over here soon.
 
Shawn said:
Everytime I see someone post something, I feel like I need to click "like". I think we will bring a like feature over here soon.


That would be a great add on.


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The cold is too far out in fantasy land for people to get too excited about yet. Plus people need a break from this last storm.
 
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