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Learning Global Warming facts and fiction

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NickyBGuarantee said:
At the end of the day yes there is a weather explanation but global warming makes the warms warmer and the colds less cold .. a slow increase of averages over time .. yes weather will still be weather and there will always be a cause for day to day weather but that weather is getting progressively warmer as the years progress and we’re seeing constant record warm months and way above normal temps because our averages are based on a time where it was cooler.. our averages will conTinue to rise along with our snow averages continuing to fall (ours changed from 4 inches to 3 inches I believe like last year) this is global warming
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But we are also typically seeing colder longer in spring ( the last 2 april/mays have had frost/freezes) We have seen time and time again in the last decade that the pv leaves what used to be the climo normal areas and heads to the pac/ak/Siberia from sept-jan then it comes into our region Feb-May. Where I struggle with that is are we seeing a stronger earlier Pv due to GW then that is being enhanced by warmer SST in the MC/IO which are not great forcing regimes for us to see cold or are we just in a really poor SST cycle that will reverse in a few years and suddenly it's GW is causing the pv to come back to Canada
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
At the end of the day yes there is a weather explanation but global warming makes the warms warmer and the colds less cold .. a slow increase of averages over time .. yes weather will still be weather and there will always be a cause for day to day weather but that weather is getting progressively warmer as the years progress and we’re seeing constant record warm months and way above normal temps because our averages are based on a time where it was cooler.. our averages will conTinue to rise along with our snow averages continuing to fall (ours changed from 4 inches to 3 inches I believe like last year) this is global warming
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What I just read a article that says GW makes cold colder like what happens in Texas last year? Yes the earth is warming but it has warmed and cooled forever. The earth goes in cycles and history shows it.
 
NoSnowATL said:
What I just read a article that says GW makes cold colder like what happens in Texas last year? Yes the earth is warming but it has warmed and cooled forever. The earth goes in cycles and history shows it.
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Yes it can create harsh extremes in every case but the cycles you speak of are suppose to last hundreds of years .. we are accelerating that natural cycle rapidly so much that it is clearly visible on data collected over the past 40 years and increasing averages at a much more rapid rate than a period over 200-300 years like it’s suppose to be … I didn’t know I was on more of an island in regards to believing in global warming here I mean it’s clearly happening we wouldn’t be above average almost all the time like we are now if it wasn’t lol
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
Yes it can create harsh extremes in every case but the cycles you speak of are suppose to last hundreds of years .. we are accelerating that natural cycle rapidly so much that it is clearly visible on data collected over the past 40 years and increasing averages at a much more rapid rate than a period over 200-300 years like it’s suppose to be … I didn’t know I was on more of an island in regards to believing in global warming here I mean it’s clearly happening we wouldn’t be above average almost all the time like we are now if it wasn’t lol
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GW is happening and I don’t think anyone is in denial about it but the problem is the way it come across like humans are 100% of the blame. I think humans play a small role.
 
Lickwx said:
160 years . Wow . Much long . Much significant
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Look at what’s happened the past 40 years the global temps don’t even go below normal anymore when it was common place to have 100 years ago ..now from 1960 to 2000 a clear ramp up from the general slow warming that was taking place when the industrial revolution began why is this?

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Well take a look here at the burning of fossil fuels and what happened between 1960 and 2000 and extreme ramp up of the burning of these fossil fuels creating carbon dioxide emissions to skyrocket .. what does carbon dioxide do ? Trap heat! It’s so easy and simple to see with your own eyes I don’t see how others can’t. Are these emissions due to to every single person living on the earth. No we have no control over industrial waste of this magnitude but in another sense we kind of do because the things use on a day to day basis like phones and common amenities that we take for granted are made by big industrial factories who end up wasting this amount of fossil fuel burning which in turn causes more of the same result. The correlation is there the cause is there and everyone’s just like it’s natural nothing we can do blah blah blah like bruh look at the science. Are fossil fuels directly causing the pacific pattern to be ---- no but when the pacific pattern is ---- the above average temps that we see from that will only be more above average the more we increase the GLOBAL temps.. yes pockets of the world will still see below average temps for a month of so at a time but the EARTH as a whole is WARMER than average and only increases with time 31EB5D05-A087-47D5-B20D-982ADA3ED6CD.png
The earth as a whole hasn’t been below average since the late 1970s and we only continue to get further away from that
 
But I agree the sentiment that humans as individuals are causing global warming by eating cows or driving cars like no that as a whole is an extremely small percentage of the waste although driving cars could be more of an argument as more and more people have access to them but how have we combatted that? By using electric cars and those by far are wayyyyy better for the environment and I think Over the next few years electric cars will be the common and most used car vs gas powered. This is a solid solution that has gained lots of traction. But those big factories that spit out carbon like it’s nothing need to come up with ways to realistically reduce their carbon emissions and if we just invested the money into finding these solutions without having to stop making the phones and cars and whatever else is being made in these types of places that we certainly can’t live without at this point in society than we will be better off .. instead of arguing about whether it’s happening at an alarming rate right now while they continue to just make the problem worse and worse by spitting out more and more carbon
 
If we can do that then our global average will begin to cool off back to normal levels and we can finally get some GO* DAM* GOOD SNOW STORMS ONCE IN A GO* DAM* WHILE !!SH*T! Lol
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
If we can do that then our global average will begin to cool off back to normal levels and we can finally get some GO* DAM* GOOD SNOW STORMS ONCE IN A GO* DAM* WHILE !!SH*T! Lol
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Broski, Raleigh 100 years ago is the same as Raleigh today . Same plants growing , same seasons , same swings , same . Knocking out all the Co2 won’t change that if your motivation for all this is the hope it brings more snow lol. I guess imma make some Raleigh climate boxes from the past to prove my point because seems everyone thinks it was something different . Raleighs biggest snow storm and coldest record actually happened in the last 40 years under all this “ global warming “….
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
Look at what’s happened the past 40 years the global temps don’t even go below normal anymore when it was common place to have 100 years ago ..now from 1960 to 2000 a clear ramp up from the general slow warming that was taking place when the industrial revolution began why is this?

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Well take a look here at the burning of fossil fuels and what happened between 1960 and 2000 and extreme ramp up of the burning of these fossil fuels creating carbon dioxide emissions to skyrocket .. what does carbon dioxide do ? Trap heat! It’s so easy and simple to see with your own eyes I don’t see how others can’t. Are these emissions due to to every single person living on the earth. No we have no control over industrial waste of this magnitude but in another sense we kind of do because the things use on a day to day basis like phones and common amenities that we take for granted are made by big industrial factories who end up wasting this amount of fossil fuel burning which in turn causes more of the same result. The correlation is there the cause is there and everyone’s just like it’s natural nothing we can do blah blah blah like bruh look at the science. Are fossil fuels directly causing the pacific pattern to be ---- no but when the pacific pattern is ---- the above average temps that we see from that will only be more above average the more we increase the GLOBAL temps.. yes pockets of the world will still see below average temps for a month of so at a time but the EARTH as a whole is WARMER than average and only increases with time View attachment 92930
The earth as a whole hasn’t been below average since the late 1970s and we only continue to get further away from that
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You miss my point , 160 years is very insignificant . Nothing . Nothing at all.
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
Look at what’s happened the past 40 years the global temps don’t even go below normal anymore when it was common place to have 100 years ago ..now from 1960 to 2000 a clear ramp up from the general slow warming that was taking place when the industrial revolution began why is this?

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Well take a look here at the burning of fossil fuels and what happened between 1960 and 2000 and extreme ramp up of the burning of these fossil fuels creating carbon dioxide emissions to skyrocket .. what does carbon dioxide do ? Trap heat! It’s so easy and simple to see with your own eyes I don’t see how others can’t. Are these emissions due to to every single person living on the earth. No we have no control over industrial waste of this magnitude but in another sense we kind of do because the things use on a day to day basis like phones and common amenities that we take for granted are made by big industrial factories who end up wasting this amount of fossil fuel burning which in turn causes more of the same result. The correlation is there the cause is there and everyone’s just like it’s natural nothing we can do blah blah blah like bruh look at the science. Are fossil fuels directly causing the pacific pattern to be ---- no but when the pacific pattern is ---- the above average temps that we see from that will only be more above average the more we increase the GLOBAL temps.. yes pockets of the world will still see below average temps for a month of so at a time but the EARTH as a whole is WARMER than average and only increases with time View attachment 92930
The earth as a whole hasn’t been below average since the late 1970s and we only continue to get further away from that
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What's the chart look like pre 1860? Just curious we got any of them observations and detailed temp analysis from say oh I don't let's start with 1050-1200
 
NoSnowATL said:
If I get some down time I will but google should work for you too. I know JB has posted a few good charts and graphs in the past. He isn’t the only one but one name I know.
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Good luck with finding them with Google, you know they kinda help control the narrative. Lol
 
People who don't believe the world is going to burst into flames or get swallowed up by oceans in 12 years are not "deniers". People who legitimately question the data for a relatively short period of time (since records have been kept, 1860'ish) compared to nonexistent observations from previous centuries, also not "deniers". Those that state we are in a warmer climate but question whether it's cyclical (which we really don't know) or if it's AGW or not, also not "deniers".
 
metwannabe said:
People who don't believe the world is going to burst into flames or get swallowed up by oceans in 12 years are not "deniers". People who legitimately question the data for a relatively short period of time (since records have been kept, 1860'ish) compared to nonexistent observations from previous centuries, also not "deniers". Those that state we are in a warmer climate but question whether it's cyclical (which we really don't know) or if it's AGW or not, also not "deniers".
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Youre right, cant deny that.
 
metwannabe said:
People who don't believe the world is going to burst into flames or get swallowed up by oceans in 12 years are not "deniers". People who legitimately question the data for a relatively short period of time (since records have been kept, 1860'ish) compared to nonexistent observations from previous centuries, also not "deniers". Those that state we are in a warmer climate but question whether it's cyclical (which we really don't know) or if it's AGW or not, also not "deniers".
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I’m a global warming denier denier . I too deny that deniers exist .
 
metwannabe said:
People who don't believe the world is going to burst into flames or get swallowed up by oceans in 12 years are not "deniers". People who legitimately question the data for a relatively short period of time (since records have been kept, 1860'ish) compared to nonexistent observations from previous centuries, also not "deniers". Those that state we are in a warmer climate but question whether it's cyclical (which we really don't know) or if it's AGW or not, also not "deniers".
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Yep I mean its easy to see warming in the means, snow totals, lack of record lows over the last 2-3 decades. What really gets to me is the way the narrative has been built that every event is GW related and every statement has a fail safe well but that's GW too built in.
 
SD said:
Yep I mean its easy to see warming in the means, snow totals, lack of record lows over the last 2-3 decades. What really gets to me is the way the narrative has been built that every event is GW related and every statement has a fail safe well but that's GW too built in.
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1. GW is undeniable and at least a decent portion of it is almost certainly from AGW. Even Spencer and Curry agree with this.
2. The blaming of a particular extreme event on GW, especially those not involving actual heat, without a way to prove it is what bothers me.
3. How much future AGW there will be is very much in question. I agree with Spencer and Curry that there's a lot of hype out there for the worst case scenario that is highly likely not going to occur. Climate models aren't all that accurate.
 
Some statements are fair in regards to not having the data from 1200 or so .. but is it not alarming to see the charts from 1800-now? The fact that the global temperature means haven’t been below normal or near there for 40 years now? And it continues to rise and not stagnate or stop? A specific weather event can’t be specifically caused by global warming that is just weather.. but let’s say the globe continues to warm slowly but surely as data has shows the past 40 years at the same rate.. what happens in this case? One example the oceans begin to get warmer .. slowly of course because deep in the oceans the water is very cold and to be able to churn water enough to warm it up significantly probably takes some good time.. but over time surface water will gradually be warmer than usual and probably more expansive warm waters arise in areas that have usually 60-70 degree water temps may see 65-75 degree water temps .. you expand this warmer water then you have more fuel for hurricanes in more places that hurricanes don’t usually form or sustain themselves .. these are the types of tangible changes we can see and have clear weather ramifications in the long term. If we just sit and wait for global temperatures to somehow correct back below normal or even to normal that’s just not going to help anyone or any of these problems (my motives aren’t to bring back snowstorms to Raleigh that was clearly a joke to calm the nerves but it’s a serious topic) no the oceans aren’t going to swallow up all the land but there’s good data to show that tides are rising and eventually when we get to a point of 2-4 degrees Celsius above normal as a globe effect that could cause 3-4 ft of sea level rise and for people living on the coast lines this will have serious implications to lifestyle .. of course this is 20-30 years down the line so it would probably happen slow enough to where we could just simply move people further inland and be done with the issue but i dont know i Just hate the wait and see and mitigate what ever problems arise down the line because at a point in time there may be more serious implications and then we will be far down the line of any possible solutions other then to hope for the best
 
Also having JB as the guy to defend your points (the guy everyone in here always gives 0 credibility to every year) is probably not the guy you want on your side
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
Also having JB as the guy to defend your points (the guy everyone in here always gives 0 credibility to every year) is probably not the guy you want on your side
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Jb might be a weenie but he is a smarter weenie then you and me. I said JB because he is the only guy I remember. Like I said we have t sides to every truth.
 
And still believing that global warming is this thing of hyperbole where the lands will all burst into flames and the oceans will swallow us all up is all malarkey there are real and tangible effects to what warming the climate does to the earth. It’s not all negative stuff I took a class on it at UNCC and it was very eye opening and if you have the time and a little money I would recommend taking the class because it is really insightful on the real aspects of climate change that we can expect with the path we’ve been going through the past few decades and such
 
NoSnowATL said:
Jb might be a weenie but he is a smarter weenie then you and me. I said JB because he is the only guy I remember. Like I said we have t sides to every truth.
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Agreed smarter than both of us for sure but I would like to see these arguments you speak of and the data you are pointing at as I’ve brought at least some data points to support my claims and show what I’m trying to convey
 
SD said:
Hey @NickyBGuarantee how are you planning on getting the rest of the world to go electric as well?
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Obviously is going to take a longggg time but every day we’re closer and closer in regards to electric cars .. they are cheaper and run way better ie. Tesla and 5 years ago it was cool if u saw a Tesla driving around but now it’s very common to see several every time you go out .. it’s a process but that’s where the industry is heading .. hence why a bunch of car companies are now making hybrids and such to try and be able to compete
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
Obviously is going to take a longggg time but every day we’re closer and closer in regards to electric cars .. they are cheaper and run way better ie. Tesla and 5 years ago it was cool if u saw a Tesla driving around but now it’s very common to see several every time you go out .. it’s a process but that’s where the industry is heading .. hence why a bunch of car companies are now making hybrids and such to try and be able to compete
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They aren’t cheaper then gas yet from what I’ve seen unless you wants some go cart vehicle. Go buy me that new Hummer EV. Now that’s a nice looking E vehicle.
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
Some statements are fair in regards to not having the data from 1200 or so .. but is it not alarming to see the charts from 1800-now? The fact that the global temperature means haven’t been below normal or near there for 40 years now? And it continues to rise and not stagnate or stop? A specific weather event can’t be specifically caused by global warming that is just weather.. but let’s say the globe continues to warm slowly but surely as data has shows the past 40 years at the same rate.. what happens in this case? One example the oceans begin to get warmer .. slowly of course because deep in the oceans the water is very cold and to be able to churn water enough to warm it up significantly probably takes some good time.. but over time surface water will gradually be warmer than usual and probably more expansive warm waters arise in areas that have usually 60-70 degree water temps may see 65-75 degree water temps .. you expand this warmer water then you have more fuel for hurricanes in more places that hurricanes don’t usually form or sustain themselves .. these are the types of tangible changes we can see and have clear weather ramifications in the long term. If we just sit and wait for global temperatures to somehow correct back below normal or even to normal that’s just not going to help anyone or any of these problems (my motives aren’t to bring back snowstorms to Raleigh that was clearly a joke to calm the nerves but it’s a serious topic) no the oceans aren’t going to swallow up all the land but there’s good data to show that tides are rising and eventually when we get to a point of 2-4 degrees Celsius above normal as a globe effect that could cause 3-4 ft of sea level rise and for people living on the coast lines this will have serious implications to lifestyle .. of course this is 20-30 years down the line so it would probably happen slow enough to where we could just simply move people further inland and be done with the issue but i dont know i Just hate the wait and see and mitigate what ever problems arise down the line because at a point in time there may be more serious implications and then we will be far down the line of any possible solutions other then to hope for the best
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Man, that is one impressive text wall!

I think it's very difficult to determine the extent to which humans are contributing to warming, unless you're able to account for all other 160 year periods of similar warming (assuming there were any - which i think is a pretty safe assumption) through the entirety of historical climate record.

And I'm not sure we fully understand the extent of Earth's defense mechanisms against a warmer climate. Actually, I'm sure we don't.
 
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NoSnowATL said:
They aren’t cheaper then gas yet from what I’ve seen unless you wants some go cart vehicle. Go buy me that new Hummer EV. Now that’s a nice looking E vehicle.
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Okay true initial pay for an E vehicle will be expensive but Tesla’s are tryin got work that down and they are fairly affordable now for someone making a decent living 30-40 thousand .. another big aspect is that Tesla’s keep their value throughout their lifetime if you were to sell your Tesla 5 or so years after you got it you would get a fairly similar return on it so they don’t lose that value .. also you’ll never pay for an oil change and you’ll never pay for gas and people rarely get new breaks because the car breaks almost on its own when u let off the “gas” petal it slows drastically it’s quite an interesting but easy to get used to vehicle to drive. The increase in electric bill is fairly negligible per month and it will stop using electricity once fully charged .. it’s just an ideal vehicle in every way
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
Some statements are fair in regards to not having the data from 1200 or so .. but is it not alarming to see the charts from 1800-now? The fact that the global temperature means haven’t been below normal or near there for 40 years now? And it continues to rise and not stagnate or stop? A specific weather event can’t be specifically caused by global warming that is just weather.. but let’s say the globe continues to warm slowly but surely as data has shows the past 40 years at the same rate.. what happens in this case? One example the oceans begin to get warmer .. slowly of course because deep in the oceans the water is very cold and to be able to churn water enough to warm it up significantly probably takes some good time.. but over time surface water will gradually be warmer than usual and probably more expansive warm waters arise in areas that have usually 60-70 degree water temps may see 65-75 degree water temps .. you expand this warmer water then you have more fuel for hurricanes in more places that hurricanes don’t usually form or sustain themselves .. these are the types of tangible changes we can see and have clear weather ramifications in the long term. If we just sit and wait for global temperatures to somehow correct back below normal or even to normal that’s just not going to help anyone or any of these problems (my motives aren’t to bring back snowstorms to Raleigh that was clearly a joke to calm the nerves but it’s a serious topic) no the oceans aren’t going to swallow up all the land but there’s good data to show that tides are rising and eventually when we get to a point of 2-4 degrees Celsius above normal as a globe effect that could cause 3-4 ft of sea level rise and for people living on the coast lines this will have serious implications to lifestyle .. of course this is 20-30 years down the line so it would probably happen slow enough to where we could just simply move people further inland and be done with the issue but i dont know i Just hate the wait and see and mitigate what ever problems arise down the line because at a point in time there may be more serious implications and then we will be far down the line of any possible solutions other then to hope for the best
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They have been saying that three to four feet of coastline would be disappearing for the past 20 years. It may happen in some places like it currently is and it may not happen in some places. The goal posts keep moving forward. Too many interests have a lot at stake in this and future taxes are at stake.
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
Okay true initial pay for an E vehicle will be expensive but Tesla’s are tryin got work that down and they are fairly affordable now for someone making a decent living 30-40 thousand .. another big aspect is that Tesla’s keep their value throughout their lifetime if you were to sell your Tesla 5 or so years after you got it you would get a fairly similar return on it so they don’t lose that value .. also you’ll never pay for an oil change and you’ll never pay for gas and people rarely get new breaks because the car breaks almost on its own when u let off the “gas” petal it slows drastically it’s quite an interesting but easy to get used to vehicle to drive. The increase in electric bill is fairly negligible per month and it will stop using electricity once fully charged .. it’s just an ideal vehicle in every way
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How do Teslas get the power to the wheels without a transmission?
 
Electric cars blow . I love em for the potential to be very cheap and low maintenance but if you are into cars like me it blows . I mean there just ain’t no work to do on em. No more spending Sunday changing my brakes , checking all the fluids , spark plugs , oil. No more . That Lowkey blows , you lose your intimacy with the car.
 
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