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Learning Global Warming facts and fiction

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BHS1975 said:
The first step would be a global government as this is a planet wide problem.


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BHS1975 said:
A technocratic world gov is the only way out. That's where advanced civilizations end up anyway.


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Are you trolling?? This will never happen and you will never ever convince not even 5% of the population of Earth to have ONE world government lol. AGW is real and requires cooperation, yes, but one world government? Slow down there buckaroo
 
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Are you trolling?? This will never happen and you will never ever convince not even 5% of the population of Earth to have ONE world government lol. AGW is real and requires cooperation, yes, but one world government? Slow down there buckaroo
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I don't think we can make the necessary changes fast enough.


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BHS1975 said:
A technocratic world gov is the only way out. That's where advanced civilizations end up anyway.


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If that's true then I want no part of it. Technology is already dehumanizing us and a handful of people deciding things for the whole planet? No thanks. In the words of Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death." Anyway, in my worldview, humans don't have the power to "save us." There is a much better way.
 
Ronad Reagan once said, " the scariest words in the English language are, I am from the government and I am here to help" and he was just talking about the US government. We are NOT facing an existential threat no matter what President Dementia says, so why change everything that has existed for thousands of years on a computer modeled theory??? BTW BHS, I have some good prime ocean side property in Kansas for sale so that when the areas south of there are flooded it will become available. Imagine Topeka Beach, what a lovely name
 
Wow, just skimming the last two pages in this forum is rather deflating, a microcosm of why real solutions aren’t going to happen. Panic driven scare tactics along with one world governments at one extreme, and then complete denial and heads buried in the sand on the other extreme. Both our politics and our approach to solving problems are just too polarized. It’s like people cannot even discuss tough issues without insults being flung at each other with very little dialogue for reasonable solutions or ideas. Thx GaWx, for injecting some real science and more moderate views into the mix.
 
Stormdoc said:
Wow, just skimming the last two pages in this forum is rather deflating, a microcosm of why real solutions aren’t going to happen. Panic driven scare tactics along with one world governments at one extreme, and then complete denial and heads buried in the sand on the other extreme. Both our politics and our approach to solving problems are just too polarized. It’s like people cannot even discuss tough issues without insults being flung at each other with very little dialogue for reasonable solutions or ideas. Thx GaWx, for injecting some real science and more moderate views into the mix.
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You got any better ideas? Let's hear it. There's nothing more I can do but just watch this grand experiment unfold. It sure makes for some good news stories.


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Stormdoc said:
Wow, just skimming the last two pages in this forum is rather deflating, a microcosm of why real solutions aren’t going to happen. Panic driven scare tactics along with one world governments at one extreme, and then complete denial and heads buried in the sand on the other extreme. Both our politics and our approach to solving problems are just too polarized. It’s like people cannot even discuss tough issues without insults being flung at each other with very little dialogue for reasonable solutions or ideas. Thx GaWx, for injecting some real science and more moderate views into the mix.
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I have never said the planet is not warming the last 150 years or so as the data shows it. If you have to label me, label me as a lukewarmer who believes man is playing a role in the rising temperature but mostly due to UHI and land use changes. I do NOT believe however that we are facing the "biggest crisis facing man" as a few in the Elite class believe. The atmosphere is a Stochastic system which is always changing and not something that modelers can pin down enough to make accurate predctions about much of anything. As we learn new things about our atmospheric dynamics, they will improve the models somewhat but will never be able to account for all the natural variables inherent in the system and will prove to be inaccurate in the long term.
 
MichaelJ said:
I have never said the planet is not warming the last 150 years or so as the data shows it. If you have to label me, label me as a lukewarmer who believes man is playing a role in the rising temperature but mostly due to UHI and land use changes. I do NOT believe however that we are facing the "biggest crisis facing man" as a few in the Elite class believe. The atmosphere is a Stochastic system which is always changing and not something that modelers can pin down enough to make accurate predctions about much of anything. As we learn new things about our atmospheric dynamics, they will improve the models somewhat but will never be able to account for all the natural variables inherent in the system and will prove to be inaccurate in the long term.
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I'm going to listen to the experts who actually study climate for a living like Dr Mann for example. He has written some interesting papers lately. He's done WAY more research than you and anyone else for that matter as to the cause of the warming and where it's headed.


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BHS1975 said:
I'm going to listen to the experts who actually study climate for a living like Dr Mann for example. He has written some interesting papers lately. He's done WAY more research than you and anyone else for that matter as to the cause of the warming and where it's headed.


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I don't know why you put so much faith in the "experts" when these experts have been saying that we would all be flooded by the year 2007, 2010, 2014, Wait they mean 2016, 2020, now it's 2032. Besides it sounds like a great move to tax carbon, especially when China and Middle Eastern countries are not going to be taxed.
 
Bham 99 said:
I don't know why you put so much faith in the "experts" when these experts have been saying that we would all be flooded by the year 2007, 2010, 2014, Wait they mean 2016, 2020, now it's 2032. Besides it sounds like a great move to tax carbon, especially when China and Middle Eastern countries are not going to be taxed.
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Yeah, pretty much. Whenever the "experts" all get together and make proclamations, claim "the science is settled" (which is nearly one of the dumbest things a person who stakes his claim in science could say), move the goalposts multiple times, change the terminology, disobey a logical operating premise, and engage in shaming campaigns for dissenting points of view, I tend to take the dire predictions with a grain of salt. So far that approach has worked at a 100% success rate. And there's really no big mystery to why that is the case, either.
 
BHS1975 said:
You got any better ideas? Let's hear it. There's nothing more I can do but just watch this grand experiment unfold. It sure makes for some good news stories.


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How about a functional government ourselves for one, and that is not totally split and unable to barely function in the past 4 years? Then certainly better relations and working with other countries to actually make some progress here. And actually improving our educational system enough that our populace can make good informed decisions.
 
Rain Cold said:
Yeah, pretty much. Whenever the "experts" all get together and make proclamations, claim "the science is settled" (which is nearly one of the dumbest things a person who stakes his claim in science could say), move the goalposts multiple times, change the terminology, disobey a logical operating premise, and engage in shaming campaigns for dissenting points of view, I tend to take the dire predictions with a grain of salt. So far that approach has worked at a 100% success rate. And there's really no big mystery to why that is the case, either.
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What experts are you talking about? The climate experts I read about are not making definite proclamations that such and such disaster is going to happen by a certain time. Certainly the media may hone in on a “worst case scenario”. But I think the scientists are simply presenting what may or could happen if CO2 levels continue to rise.
 
Stormdoc said:
What experts are you talking about? The climate experts I read about are not making definite proclamations that such and such disaster is going to happen by a certain time. Certainly the media may hone in on a “worst case scenario”. But I think the scientists are simply presenting what may or could happen if CO2 levels continue to rise.
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Well, the ones that are frequently quoted, talking about the oceans rising by this or that date or the ice caps melting by this or that date or the end of the four seasons or the biggest threat to our existence or....

Those people. And there are many.
 
Rain Cold said:
Well, the ones that are frequently quoted, talking about the oceans rising by this or that date or the ice caps melting by this or that date or the end of the four seasons or the biggest threat to our existence or....

Those people. And there are many.
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Ok so if they are not right then we just ignore it? That is not good science either. There has to be a happy medium here.
 
Rain Cold said:
Well, the ones that are frequently quoted, talking about the oceans rising by this or that date or the ice caps melting by this or that date or the end of the four seasons or the biggest threat to our existence or....

Those people. And there are many.
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You need to listen to James Hansen who has been spot on starting from way back in 1988 and Micheal Mann. There are other good ones as well but those are the main two that I would pay attention to.


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BHS1975 said:
You need to listen to James Hansen who has been spot on starting from way back in 1988 and Micheal Mann. There are other good ones as well but those are the main two that I would pay attention to.


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I hope you have not been waiting for this to happen since 1988.
 
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PBS and the UN? Are you serious. As for Michael Mann, this guy has so many errors in his hockey stick reconstructions he should not be taken seriously by anyone. James Hansen has not been right about anything related to Global Warming and his predictions show that clearly. If you want serious scientists who have dissenting views, read Richard Lindzen, Judith Curry, John Christy, Roy Spencer, Lennaert Bengtsson and others.
 
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The Alarmists don't have a plan. In two decades, I haven't seen a detailed outline of socioeconomic and environmental policies that will make a real impact while addressing the concerns of blue collar workers affected by the transition away from fossil fuels. I haven't seen anything in the Biden infrastructure bill other than a hodgepodge of programs that will provide tax payer dollars to contractors and government employees to pursue undefined goals. It's just the government picking winners and losers similar to I think the 2008 stimulus package that provided funds to campaign donors who then misappropriated it. Solyndra comes to mind.

In 2020, we were on track to increase our renewable energies to over 20% of all sources. A main contributor for stimulating the renewable industry was the Trump tax cut providing incentives to solar, wind, and EV, as well as the access to minerals that could be locally mined in the United States (UAMY lawsuit comes to mind). Alarmists are on the side that is currently fighting these companies, even though politicians in other countries are opening up mines due to supply-chain issues. The other issue is natural gas. Australia is building a pipeline. Europe is building a pipeline with Russia. We decided to shutdown construction even though the US is experiencing sever supply-chain issues throughout electronics, energy, and every thing else. We have to get superconductors from China and Africa, and they're squeezing manufacturers that make EVs. The private sector was actually making headway.
 
Tornadocane said:
The Alarmists don't have a plan. In two decades, I haven't seen a detailed outline of socioeconomic and environmental policies that will make a real impact while addressing the concerns of blue collar workers affected by the transition away from fossil fuels. I haven't seen anything in the Biden infrastructure bill other than a hodgepodge of programs that will provide tax payer dollars to contractors and government employees to pursue undefined goals. It's just the government picking winners and losers similar to I think the 2008 stimulus package that provided funds to campaign donors who then misappropriated it. Solyndra comes to mind.

In 2020, we were on track to increase our renewable energies to over 20% of all sources. A main contributor for stimulating the renewable industry was the Trump tax cut providing incentives to solar, wind, and EV, as well as the access to minerals that could be locally mined in the United States (UAMY lawsuit comes to mind). Alarmists are on the side that is currently fighting these companies, even though politicians in other countries are opening up mines due to supply-chain issues. The other issue is natural gas. Australia is building a pipeline. Europe is building a pipeline with Russia. We decided to shutdown construction even though the US is experiencing sever supply-chain issues throughout electronics, energy, and every thing else. We have to get superconductors from China and Africa, and they're squeezing manufacturers that make EVs. The private sector was actually making headway.
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Boom!
 
BHS1975 said:
There's a laundry list of extreme weather event's in the last few years that can't be accounted for by chance.


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No one is saying the planet is not warming.. I haven't heard one person deny that it is warming. But what you failed to understand is there are cycles. It is very short-sighted. And instead of you doing your real research you just leave it up to the big government to tell you what to do.
 
Bham 99 said:
No one is saying the planet is not warming.. I haven't heard one person deny that it is warming. But what you failed to understand is there are cycles. It is very short-sighted. And instead of you doing your real research you just leave it up to the big government to tell you what to do.
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Name one time in history where big government has hurt anyone.
 
Tornadocane said:
The Alarmists don't have a plan. In two decades, I haven't seen a detailed outline of socioeconomic and environmental policies that will make a real impact while addressing the concerns of blue collar workers affected by the transition away from fossil fuels. I haven't seen anything in the Biden infrastructure bill other than a hodgepodge of programs that will provide tax payer dollars to contractors and government employees to pursue undefined goals. It's just the government picking winners and losers similar to I think the 2008 stimulus package that provided funds to campaign donors who then misappropriated it. Solyndra comes to mind.

In 2020, we were on track to increase our renewable energies to over 20% of all sources. A main contributor for stimulating the renewable industry was the Trump tax cut providing incentives to solar, wind, and EV, as well as the access to minerals that could be locally mined in the United States (UAMY lawsuit comes to mind). Alarmists are on the side that is currently fighting these companies, even though politicians in other countries are opening up mines due to supply-chain issues. The other issue is natural gas. Australia is building a pipeline. Europe is building a pipeline with Russia. We decided to shutdown construction even though the US is experiencing sever supply-chain issues throughout electronics, energy, and every thing else. We have to get superconductors from China and Africa, and they're squeezing manufacturers that make EVs. The private sector was actually making headway.
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They act like the private sector is not interested in a sustainable society. We rely on GDP, healthy agriculture, etc. Our lives depend on a functioning society. All the government needs is tax revenue. To say one side doesn't care is fallacy. You are right, the private sector in heavily vested in making things better, we have to in order to maintain relevancy in the marketplace.
 
Avalanche said:
They act like the private sector is not interested in a sustainable society. We rely on GDP, healthy agriculture, etc. Our lives depend on a functioning society. All the government needs is tax revenue. To say one side doesn't care is fallacy. You are right, the private sector in heavily vested in making things better, we have to in order to maintain relevancy in the marketplace.
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I disagree , the private sectors purpose is to make money. Progress is a side affect of them trying to make money, if they make money destroying the environment then that is what they would do. All you have to do is look to third word countries to know that the private sector is not invested in the long term and very shortsighted . Look at the amazon , look at what Haiti did etc . They destroyed the resources that made them money, very short sighted . The private sector cares where it benefits them.
 
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