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Pattern December, Make analogs relevant again

I went to Texas A&M for a one year, lived in Central and SE Tx for most my childhood.. that's a lifetime storm for that area. I remember I was in high school living in Austin in the 1980s and we got 4 inches one January, and feeling depressed because San Antonio hit the jackpot with 16 inches. I moved to Chattanooga as an adult and was lucky to be in/endure 2 ft of blizzard for March '93. That's the storm of my lifetime I guess. Watching my dog disappear while jumping into 6 ft drifts. Blizzard conditions with temps in the teens, nothing like it.

it had been a joke for years how it never snows down there and then what happens? It snows there before Dallas and Amarillo lol

even when my friend down in Austin started reporting snow at first I was just like "yawn token flakes"

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and yeah, its hard to imagine that much snow in San Antonio. Heck I even find it hard to imagine here lol
 
6Z showing some impressive rainfall totals across the Mid-South region in the extended range. Still curious to see how the Christmas week pans out.
 
Ugh, this is an ugly pattern.... Can't believe the EPS trended towards the GEFS for once
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JB said don't trust the models!? Coldest Christmas in the last 4 ?
That SE ridge tho!? Looks like hammer could drop after New Year's Day though!
 
The GFS has been very consistent with a classic battle ground setting up around Christmas. There will be some winners and lots of losers with this set up. Also a big flooding event across the upper south as modeled atm.
 
No one should trust any model in the LR. I'm going with my instinct and the PV will retrograde towards the SE US maybe days shortly before Christmas, during Christmas, or some days after Christmas. There still is a +PNA look in the LR. Even if there is a weak to mod or even a strong SER, that doesn't mean 0 frozen precipitation. We all know what that means, more chance of ICE instead of snow. Which can be way worse than snow storms here as we know it.
 
The SE ridge showing on the ensembles is a little concerning . We need to see if it's an actual trend or not. The epo forecast continues to send it in the tank . Hopefully the SE ridge gets muted as we roll forwArd

We go from feeling really good yesterday to this morning feeling concerned. You have to love living in the SE.


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I know this is a southern forum, but I’ll be in WV just after Christmas and was wondering how a SER as modeled now, would affect that region of the country?
 
Gotta love it. The GFS suite gets discredited but now the Euro suite trends toward it.:( Hopefully it's a blip but you gotta hate seeing it.
 
We go from feeling really good yesterday to this morning feeling concerned. You have to love living in the SE.

Though it is obviously concerning, there's still time for the model consensus to back out of this dreaded SE ridge. Also, per MDA, even if the SE ridge were to verify, the EPS is showing some members still bringing in shallow cold into the SE at least to some extent even with the SE ridge being there. So, I suppose that would mean some ZR possibilities for parts of the area (especially N TX as well as AR/TN/MS/AL) though not good for snow chances in the US. But again, let's hope the recent model trends reverse soon!
 
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We go from feeling really good yesterday to this morning feeling concerned. You have to love living in the SE.


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And the models can change from one day to the next. That's how it usually is here because they have such a hard time figuring out winter here.
 
Though it is obviously concerning, there's still time for the model consensus to back out of this dreaded SE ridge. Also, per MDA, even if the SE ridge were to verify, the EPS is showing some members still bringing in shallow cold into the SE at least to some extent even with the SE ridge being there. So, I suppose that would mean some ZR possibilities for parts of the area (especially N TX as well as AR/TN/MS/AL though not good for snow chances in the US. But again, let's hope the recent model trends reverse soon!

Yep. Not time to jump off a cliff.


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By the way, I hope that one of the most active posters, "SoutheastRidge", doesn't take it personally that many here don't like the SE ridge. It is nothing against you at all as you just happen to have the same name.

PS: What the models are showing with this SE ridge is a very strong -EPO but a weaker to nonexistent +PNA vs what recent days' models had been showing. We need for the +PNA to make a comeback. A strong -EPO/+PNA would be fantastic for SE holiday cold chances.
 
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Call me crazy, and i know someone will call me that, but as much as i love snowstorms, i also love ICE storms as well. Icestorms, sleetstorms, ZR, Snow. It dont matter to me, its what i love with a full compassion. Icestorms are dangerous, and i do not want to see lives in danger at all, i just love winter weather all around.
 
By the way, I hope that one of the most active posters, "SoutheastRidge", doesn't take it personally that many here don't like the SE ridge. It is nothing against you at all as you just happen to have the same name.

PS: What the models are showing with this SE ridge is a very strong -EPO but a weaker to nonexistent +PNA vs what recent days' models had been showing. We need for the +PNA to make a comeback.

Without a +PNA it’s like the kiss of death for the SE.


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The only model that doesn't have a full force SER is the latest CMC. Just in case some of you didn't know, the CMC performed great with the recent winter storm. We'll see if the CMC becomes the new king this season over the Euro. Did I just say that? Lol.
 
Without a +PNA it’s like the kiss of death for the SE.


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Well, that's the good news. The +PNA holds it's ground in the LR. So, with that being said, if there will be a SER, it will be short lived. (Of course, only if the +PNA signal continues)
 
One can't help but feel real bad for them. They probably take a lot of heat at times just because they happen to have these names. Consider the poster behind the name rather than the name, itself!
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BTW, has anyone notice this weekend system in the gulf was actually further north? Nit saying anything would happen, but saying it would take much for it to creep up further to cause something. From the gfs 6z.
 
Well, that's the good news. The +PNA holds it's ground in the LR. So, with that being said, if there will be a SER, it will be short lived. (Of course, only if the +PNA signal continues)

Don,
Today's 0Z GEFS based +PNA forecast is actually weaker. It needs to make a comeback.
 
The only model that doesn't have a full force SER is the latest CMC. Just in case some of you didn't know, the CMC performed great with the recent winter storm. We'll see if the CMC becomes the new king this season over the Euro. Did I just say that? Lol.
Also appears the CMC has the cold air moving south at its last frame, 240.
 
Call me crazy, and i know someone will call me that, but as much as i love snowstorms, i also love ICE storms as well. Icestorms, sleetstorms, ZR, Snow. It dont matter to me, its what i love with a full compassion. Icestorms are dangerous, and i do not want to see lives in danger at all, i just love winter weather all around.
Me too. Those count as "snow days" too :)
 
Call me crazy, and i know someone will call me that, but as much as i love snowstorms, i also love ICE storms as well. Icestorms, sleetstorms, ZR, Snow. It dont matter to me, its what i love with a full compassion. Icestorms are dangerous, and i do not want to see lives in danger at all, i just love winter weather all around.
You are crazy.
 
Hey, I love people south of me got snow, but Dalton, 30 miles south of CHA got 3 inches, and my house in North Chatt got a dusting that melted away in hours.. it hurts a lil bit.
Cleveland got about 1.2" melted quick. And meanwhile N GA got over 12" wow gotta love TN GA winters
 
A couple of days ago, the models were showing wall to wall cold. Everybody was happy. Now, they're showing a breakdown (which, if even true in the first place, is unclear in duration). Anxiety is creeping in. The magnitude of emotional swings with weather is greater than Bastardi's bathtub sloshing! This winter is probably going to be quite variable.

Pluses are a -EPO, a favorable MJO phase, coldest anoms on our side of the globe, a cold Canada, a building snowpack north/northwest of us and the fact that we have seen blocking and snowflakes already this winter. Minuses are obviously the depiction of a SE ridge in the LR, a -PNA depiction, lack of blocking in the medium range, and the typical fear of typical "Nina climo" cancelling the rest of winter.

I don't see any solid reason to expect another anomalously warm winter with few winter storm chances. The models are going to oscillate quiet a lot this season. It's time to pull up the bootstraps and settle in for the fun times ahead. Because when it's all said and done, I believe there are going to be a lot of happy people in weather forum land.
 
I guess the good news for now is that Mack can entertain us more since he has more material. Consider that a blessing as laughter would be good right now. He was probably sweating bullets at the time of the big snow. Hopefully, he'll be sweating again soon!
 
A couple of days ago, the models were showing wall to wall cold. Everybody was happy. Now, they're showing a breakdown (which, if even true in the first place, is unclear in duration). Anxiety is creeping in. The magnitude of emotional swings with weather is greater than Bastardi's bathtub sloshing! This winter is probably going to be quite variable.

Pluses are a -EPO, a favorable MJO phase, coldest anoms on our side of the globe, a cold Canada, a building snowpack north/northwest of us and the fact that we have seen blocking and snowflakes already this winter. Minuses are obviously the depiction of a SE ridge in the LR, a -PNA depiction, lack of blocking in the medium range, and the typical fear of typical "Nina climo" cancelling the rest of winter.

I don't see any solid reason to expect another anomalously warm winter with few winter storm chances. The models are going to oscillate quiet a lot this season It's time to pull up the bootstraps and settle in for the fun times ahead. Because when it's all said and done, I believe there are going to be a lot of happy people in weather forum land.
I agree. And I would rather have a lot of back and forth with chances here and there than no chances at all. And usually when we have that back and forth it means there's a lot of energy flying around, and that's when we have a better chance of scoring a big one.
 
A couple of days ago, the models were showing wall to wall cold. Everybody was happy. Now, they're showing a breakdown (which, if even true in the first place, is unclear in duration). Anxiety is creeping in. The magnitude of emotional swings with weather is greater than Bastardi's bathtub sloshing! This winter is probably going to be quite variable.

Pluses are a -EPO, a favorable MJO phase, coldest anoms on our side of the globe, a cold Canada, a building snowpack north/northwest of us and the fact that we have seen blocking and snowflakes already this winter. Minuses are obviously the depiction of a SE ridge in the LR, a -PNA depiction, lack of blocking in the medium range, and the typical fear of typical "Nina climo" cancelling the rest of winter.

I don't see any solid reason to expect another anomalously warm winter with few winter storm chances. The models are going to oscillate quiet a lot this season. It's time to pull up the bootstraps and settle in for the fun times ahead. Because when it's all said and done, I believe there are going to be a lot of happy people in weather forum land.
Agree 100 percent. Think severe wx going come play to as we roll through January especially mid south tenn valkey western south part
 
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