Twister
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Is that you Dr CAD? You right it's a weather forum and winter is NOT all there is to weather. So us warm weather lovers have just as much right to want what we want just as much as you Snow weenies
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olhausen
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Yeah 99% of the people on here during this time of year want cold weather and snow. Nothing wrong with not liking cold, but I’d compare it to a Mets fan hanging out on a Braves forum predicting they are gonna suck for 6 months.
12z GFS highs for Christmas Day
Enjoy these kind of gorgeous days while you have them before the mosquitoes wake up from their winter slumber
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I think you actually mean, "Enjoy this "day" before the mosquitoes wake up."
I agree with the 99% or so wanting snow, but it doesn’t seem to be nearly as high with the cold, itself, even though snow obviously requires it. Several like Brick often say they don’t like dry cold and thus prefer warmth to that. So, I could see it being more like 99% want snow, but only, say, 2/3 want cold if there isn’t also snow to go along with it.
That post makes no sense here. While people can do as they please with wishing in weather. This thread by all practical matter of its existence is for tracking winter weather in December.
You got me digging for more info: Great post by the way: Thanks
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December 1984 in North Carolina was unseasonably warm, a period often referred to as "
June in December" due to highly unusual weather patterns. This mild weather directly preceded the historic and record-shattering cold wave that struck in January 1985.
Weather Summary
- Temperatures: The month was characterized by significantly above-normal temperatures across the state. Many locations in eastern North Carolina reported temperatures exceeding 70°F during the latter half of the month, with only minor cool-downs on December 23rd and 26th.
- Precipitation: While specific totals require a more detailed climate report, the overall atmospheric pattern was controlled by a displaced jet stream, which blocked the inflow of typical colder, winter air.
- Snow and Ice: The state saw below-normal snowfall for the entire 1984-1985 winter season, with only one or two minor events. Any precipitation in December was generally rain, given the warm temperatures.
Context
The unseasonable warmth in December 1984 was a meteorological precursor to one of the most severe weather events in state history: the January 1985 North American cold wave. The build-up of cold air in the Arctic was suddenly released, sending temperatures plummeting in January and setting numerous all-time record lows across North Carolina, including the state record of -34°F at Mount Mitchell.
Greensboro: Multiple nickel/dime events Jan 1985
Climatological Data for Greensboro Area, NC (ThreadEx) - January 1985
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Climatological Data for Greensboro Area, NC (ThreadEx) - January 1985
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| 1985-01-01 | 75 | 46 | 60.5 | 20.4 | 4 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-02 | 65 | 48 | 56.5 | 16.5 | 8 | 0 | 0.70 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-03 | 48 | 32 | 40.0 | 0.0 | 25 | 0 | 1.37 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-04 | 38 | 32 | 35.0 | -4.9 | 30 | 0 | 0.60 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-05 | 42 | 26 | 34.0 | -5.8 | 31 | 0 | T | T | 0 |
| 1985-01-06 | 46 | 22 | 34.0 | -5.7 | 31 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-07 | 53 | 32 | 42.5 | 2.8 | 22 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-08 | 45 | 30 | 37.5 | -2.1 | 27 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-09 | 40 | 24 | 32.0 | -7.5 | 33 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-10 | 30 | 27 | 28.5 | -11.0 | 36 | 0 | T | T | 0 |
| 1985-01-11 | 47 | 25 | 36.0 | -3.5 | 29 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-12 | 37 | 22 | 29.5 | -9.9 | 35 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-13 | 46 | 22 | 34.0 | -5.4 | 31 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-14 | 46 | 20 | 33.0 | -6.4 | 32 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-15 | 36 | 19 | 27.5 | -11.9 | 37 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-16 | 41 | 15 | 28.0 | -11.4 | 37 | 0 | T | T | 0 |
| 1985-01-17 | 36 | 28 | 32.0 | -7.4 | 33 | 0 | 0.20 | 0.5 | T |
| 1985-01-18 | 44 | 24 | 34.0 | -5.4 | 31 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-19 | 49 | 32 | 40.5 | 1.1 | 24 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-20 | 36 | -6 | 15.0 | -24.5 | 50 | 0 | 0.06 | 0.5 | T |
| 1985-01-21 | 21 | -8 | 6.5 | -33.0 | 58 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | T |
| 1985-01-22 | 35 | 4 | 19.5 | -20.1 | 45 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | T |
| 1985-01-23 | 40 | 12 | 26.0 | -13.6 | 39 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-24 | 47 | 18 | 32.5 | -7.2 | 32 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-25 | 50 | 24 | 37.0 | -2.8 | 28 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-26 | 33 | 17 | 25.0 | -14.8 | 40 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 0 |
| 1985-01-27 | 39 | 13 | 26.0 | -13.9 | 39 | 0 | 0.05 | T | 0 |
| 1985-01-28 | 33 | 30 | 31.5 | -8.5 | 33 | 0 | 0.31 | 4.1 | T |
| 1985-01-29 | 36 | 24 | 30.0 | -10.1 | 35 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 4 |
| 1985-01-30 | 40 | 28 | 34.0 | -6.3 | 31 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | 2 |
| 1985-01-31 | 43 | 34 | 38.5 | -1.9 | 26 | 0 | 1.05 | 0.0 | T |
| Sum | 1317 | 716 | - | - | 992 | 0 | 4.34 | 5.1 | - |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Average | 42.5 | 23.1 | 32.8 | -6.9 | - | - | - | - | 0.2 |
| Normal | 49.3 | 30.1 | 39.7 | - | 784 | 0 | 3.39 | 2.9 |
we’ve got to at least begin the process of dislodging that Aleutian ridge or else..it’s just going to be one big pacific burp in your face during peak winter season..and that’s really all I’ve got
John1122
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It's going to be a while. 33 days is average, some last longer. We likely still have at least 3 or 4 weeks to go but that puts us in early to mid Jan, which is the beginning of prime snow climo for most of the South.
Wow at the latest CFS: Starts Cooking 12/28 and gets it rolling Bigly rest of run. 180 degree turn. Awesome Block sets up over Greenland and stays anchored
This afternoon’s walk was another pleasant one due to still pretty dry air (dewpoints mid 30s), blue skies, and light winds though it was ~20 warmer (60 vs 40). So, though it was pleasant, it felt better and more invigorating yesterday.
I’m hearing that MJO is stil in phase 8, but other factors are overwhelming that piece of the winter pie
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Those January 20-21 negative lows in 1985 I remember well. It was record cold statewide, stuff froze that normally doesn't around here.
BrickTamland
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I'm dreaming of a sweaty Christmas...
Brent
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It's gonna be interesting I guess to see how warm we actually get
80/64 is the all times for December. 80 has only happened three times ever in December here
73/51 for Christmas is the records
I dont think Tulsa will be hitting 80(much easier to our southwest) but.... Well see
Might as well sort of embrace it at this point. Nothing we can do about it
At least it's not July and we're talking about 120 degree heat indexes. It could always be worse
iGRXY
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Dr. CAD here already told you, you can spew all that warm weather loving nonsense that you want. But don’t cry about people telling you you’re a troll and weirdo. Really that simple
That's the best look I've seen for cold air in the Southeast in days. I hope the CFS is on to a pattern change that isn't being picked up elsewhere. It would lighten and brighten the mood in this forum if we saw more signs of winter not being dead until mid January at the earliest.
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It was 28 as I walked across Cornell’s campus and I’m with you - so much better than summer
To be honest , the 1st glimpse any of us get of a pattern change will come via way of a determistic model. Or perhaps individual panels themselves off ensembles.
The ensembles themselves that are representative of the means from their indy members, want be the 1st to call the shot.
However, once we start seeing some shots called by the determistic models. They will be dismissed until the ensemble means agree, confirm. Aka give the determistic models legitimatacy.
Yes, I agree with you.
Its sofrustrating at the amount of posts telling people to move somewhere else if they expect cold. Even average temperatures across the south are mild to cool during december... not 70 degrees. Chastising people for not being excited about AN or MAN temps when its supposed to be in the 50s is unreasonable. Same could be said for those who enjoy warmth. You want warm in december ? Move to Miami. Just spent this past week there and it was in the mid 80s and raining. No thanks.
We get hot 70% of the year, hot is fine in summer, i want heat in summer. But in winter I want it to be what its supposed to be; which generally speaking is not 70 degrees on christmas for most of our forum.
In the end, none of us can control it, but those posters telling people to move is unhelpful discussion.
You watch them Bluedevils on tv, while sitting around in those baby blue pajamas Santa puts in your stocking, you gone be sweating alot harder than you will be under that big orange oval shape way up in the sky.
Welcome back Brick!
BrickTamland
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The end of the 18z GFS is about the biggest kick in the grapefruits you could draw up.
NBAcentel
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Ummm is this a heat release at 850mb in December from the Southern plains ? Looks like something straight out of late May minus the convection on the gradient 
Not that often you see 20 C 850 mb temperatures in December.
Can’t wait to ring in the New Year in my banana hammock! 
Also, took this last night, kind of a weird cloud at night
TriplePhaser
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Originally we were supposed to have a sustained torch on Christmas week but models have shifted it west towards the central US. Now we are looking at a few CAD's for the southeast(a few cold/dry days here and there) and clippers for New England(where the trough will be sustained). The reason being a retrograding Scand-Greenland ridge and a west-based Alutian ridge keeping the Northeast and at least parts of the Great Lakes away from the torch!
Florence, SC is still running -8.8 for the month and data hasn't updated yet for the BN day we've had today yet. Do we finish the month above average? At least right now NBM has 3 of the next 7 days BN. Some warm days ahead for sure but it doesn't scream heat wave. As a tidbit, it's headed below freezing again tonight which will make 9 straight days with below freezing lows.
Even during Torchmas, the wether is still always interesting up here! 
GoDuke
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Big JB!
NBAcentel
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This is the first southern stream bowling ball I’ve seen on model output in a long long time
BrickTamland
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Pics?Can’t wait to ring in the New Year in my banana hammock!
Given the 850s, raindrops will be burned alive on their way to the ground.
Tsappfrog20
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So what Jwall just shared does give me some hope hopefully we can get things to work out!!
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