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tazaroo said:
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Honestly, that is awesome news if true because it goes right along with the articles I posted that this coronavirus Is not near as deadly or dangerous as we've been led to believe. It means "most people" notice nothing of consequence and we are quickly building our hurd immunity. Let's not go insane with the lockdowns . Many people don't seem to understand the dire consequences of them if they last very long. They think we can just lock down for months and then just pick back up without skipping a beat.

This virus is not unprecedented but the lockdowns sure are!
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It's all about overloading the system. We have to remain below that with the spike or it's bad news.
 
Shaggy said:
It's all about overloading the system. We have to remain below that with the spike or it's bad news.
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Yep when its all said and done and only 20k Americans died from this, all you will hear is "not as bad as the flu" or that the "lockdowns were over reactions".....those same people regardless of how you try to explain it to them simply wont understand that the reason it was not so bad was because of the lockdowns and measures taken...

In the meantime we lost 400 people today to the virus this sadly will only continue to go up.....now imagine what these numbers would look like if we did nothing.

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SCsnow said:
Pulling in naval ships to house the sick isnt unprecedented? When has something similar happened in the past 100 years?
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Just 1 example ...

Stationed in San Diego, California, Mercy primarily operates in the Pacific and Indian Oceans. Her inaugural mission in 1987, was a humanitarian cruise to the Philippines and South Pacific. Her first military mission was serving coalition troops in the First Gulf War. The first disaster relief came in the wake of the 2004 tsunami as Operation Unified Assistance. Her latest was in 2013, when she came to the aid of the Philippines, and other nations in the aftermath of Typhoon Haiyan.

Stationed out of Norfolk, Virginia, Comfort operates primarily in the Caribbean and Latin America. Her first mission was a combat one: serving coalition troops off the coast of Kuwait, during Operation Desert Storm. Her first humanitarian missions both happened in 1994, helping Haitian and Cuban immigrants looking to come to America. In the aftermath of 9/11, Comfort was activated and sent to Manhattan, to provide medical and mental health services. Comfort headed into combat again for Operation Iraqi Freedom. In 2005, she was back saving American citizens following the devastation of Hurricane Katrina. In 2010, she undertook another disaster relief mission, in response to the Haiti earthquake. In May 2015, Comfort was in Kingston, Jamaica, providing medical services including optometry, dentistry, general medical, women’s health, pediatrics, and pharmacy. The Jamaica leg was part of ‘Continuing Promise’, a nearly six-month humanitarian mission across the Caribbean region. Once again in 2017, Comfort was deployed to aid American citizens in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria.

In March 2020, the ships were deployed to aid in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic.
 
Downeastnc said:
Yep when its all said and done and only 20k Americans died from this, all you will hear is "not as bad as the flu" or that the "lockdowns were over reactions".....those same people regardless of how you try to explain it to them simply wont understand that the reason it was not so bad was because of the lockdowns and measures taken...

In the meantime we lost 400 people today to the virus this sadly will only continue to go up.....now imagine what these numbers would look like if we did nothing.

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If "only" 20k die but more than 20k either die or have their lives ruined as a result of the economic collapse will it have been worth it ?
 
Broken024 said:
How long does life insurance take to kick in? I have some but was thinking about adding some now just in case. Anyone in the insurance business?
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I am. It just depends on you. If you're healthy with no medical conditions, it can move pretty quick. Any underlying issues, like mental health or you use tobacco, felonies, etc. or daily medications can make it take longer. The thing I'm noticing now is that if they require a para-med appointment to take blood or other diagnostics in order to issue it's starting to look like a problem because they can't or won't do it in certain areas because of the virus. No idea what the plan is for those people. But again, if you're not looking for a 2 million policy and you're clear of any issues you should be fine. And as a side note, don't lie. For instance, if you smoke and say you don't, they may find out after you die and refuse to pay.
 
Downeastnc said:
Yep when its all said and done and only 20k Americans died from this, all you will hear is "not as bad as the flu" or that the "lockdowns were over reactions".....those same people regardless of how you try to explain it to them simply wont understand that the reason it was not so bad was because of the lockdowns and measures taken...

In the meantime we lost 400 people today to the virus this sadly will only continue to go up.....now imagine what these numbers would look like if we did nothing.

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And only 20k died but the world is mired in a deep depression that’s killing 20,000 a day. I’ll make sure you’re reminded of your short sightedness.
 
Dewpoint Dan said:
If "only" 20k die but more than 20k either die or have their lives ruined as a result of the economic collapse will it have been worth it ?
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Wow. This virus has brought to light the selfish nature of some people. Bet when this hit, you were first in line at the store with a cart full of toilet paper and food.
 
Shaggy said:
20k a day from a recession. Please
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I didn’t say recession. Do you have any idea how long the economy can be throttled before recovery becomes impossible? From a macroeconomic view, the virus death rate is not worth the destruction of millions of people’s means of living. I get the feeling that you want this to usher in a state controlled economy. If so, you’re more dangerous than any virus.
 
weatherfide said:
And only 20k died but the world is mired in a deep depression that’s killing 20,000 a day. I’ll make sure you’re reminded of your short sightedness.
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LOL no one is going to die because of a depression....certainly not 20k a day that has to be the funniest thing I have seen posted yet. Americans have gotten soft, this sucks and its pretty unprecedented, but hopefully in several months things will return to normal, hell most people who have been laid off will make more per week than they did working their actual job. Seem to me 3-6 months of hardship is a small price to pay for saving potentially 100's of thousands of American lives....
 
Broken024 said:
How long does life insurance take to kick in? I have some but was thinking about adding some now just in case. Anyone in the insurance business?
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Depending on the company you can get covered at the time the application is signed. Most companies though make you wait at least 30 days while they do the underwriting process.
 
A lot of selfish individuals showing their true colors. The economy will be shot either way. There will be no economic growth with a virus running even more rampant if we all go back to normal thinking it’s not there. More people will die. And then those who try to down play this virus to make themselves feel better about thinking the economy is more important is just as bad. Everyday our number of infections nearly doubles. Deaths are growing more and more by the day but hey as long as the stock market goes up a couple hundred points, who cares.
 
Downeastnc said:
LOL no one is going to die because of a depression....certainly not 20k a day that has to be the funniest thing I have seen posted yet. Americans have gotten soft, this sucks and its pretty unprecedented, but hopefully in several months things will return to normal, hell most people who have been laid off will make more per week than they did working their actual job. Seem to me 3-6 months of hardship is a small price to pay for saving potentially 100's of thousands of American lives....
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No one is going to die bc of a depression? What world are you living in?!
 
Downeastnc said:
LOL no one is going to die because of a depression....certainly not 20k a day that has to be the funniest thing I have seen posted yet. Americans have gotten soft, this sucks and its pretty unprecedented, but hopefully in several months things will return to normal, hell most people who have been laid off will make more per week than they did working their actual job. Seem to me 3-6 months of hardship is a small price to pay for saving potentially 100's of thousands of American lives....
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If we are shut down for 3 months it won’t be 3 to 6 months of hardship, it will be more like 10 to 15 years of hardship. And you’re not seeing the bigger picture. The unemployment money will run out sooner than you think. Where do you think that money is going to come from? And if you think the government can just print more, don’t forget about inflation and how much that cuts. The youngsters will be hurt the most. No hope for jobs. No careers. Not enough to eat. Large numbers of homeless. Sounds like you’re the selfish one to me. Sacrificing the future of the young for the feel good of today. I bet you support killing the unborn, too.
 
Broken024 said:
How long does life insurance take to kick in? I have some but was thinking about adding some now just in case. Anyone in the insurance business?
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You have to give all types of documentation if someone dies before 2 years. After 2 years they really don’t require much. I know personally...
 
iGrey_X said:
A lot of selfish individuals showing their true colors. The economy will be shot either way. There will be no economic growth with a virus running even more rampant if we all go back to normal thinking it’s not there. More people will die. And then those who try to down play this virus to make themselves feel better about thinking the economy is more important is just as bad. Everyday our number of infections nearly doubles. Deaths are growing more and more by the day but hey as long as the stock market goes up a couple hundred points, who cares.
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You’re sensationalizing this. How many infections are there versus how many deaths?
 
thanksgivingbrown said:
Wow. This virus has brought to light the selfish nature of some people. Bet when this hit, you were first in line at the store with a cart full of toilet paper and food.
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Im not selfish at all. Im concerned about the countless number of deaths that could occur as a result of the economic collapse. Seems like most people are more concerned with the virus than the number of deaths and other consequences such as depression, heart attacks, anxiety, and more as a result of the economy tanking. Im trying to look at both sides and not be so focused on just the virus.
 
Dewpoint Dan said:
Im not selfish at all. Im concerned about the countless number of deaths that could occur as a result of the economic collapse. Seems like most people are more concerned with the virus than the number of deaths and other consequences such as depression, heart attacks, anxiety, and more as a result of the economy tanking. Im trying to look at both sides and not be so focused on just the virus.
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Doesnt seem to work that way. Read the links showing mortality rates DROP during recessions.

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How the next recession could save lives

Death rates have dropped during past economic downturns, even as many health trends have worsened. Researchers are scrambling to decipher lessons before the next big recession.
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Shaggy said:
Doesnt seem to work that way. Read the links showing mortality rates DROP during recessions.

www.nature.com

How the next recession could save lives

Death rates have dropped during past economic downturns, even as many health trends have worsened. Researchers are scrambling to decipher lessons before the next big recession.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
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Recession ? We could be headed for something worse than the Great Depression if the economy is shut down for months.
 
EV_WS said:
Found 4 of these beauties today. Grilling out tomorrow evening. We need some good news and “somewhat” normalcy ?

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Man I had steaks 2 Sunday's in a row fairly recently...but now that seems like it was ages ago, but we're eating well regardless, and it's had to be alternate plans quite a bit. Barbequed pork off a Boston Butt, sometime soon I think Asian style pork is going to be done, wheat pasta with sausage and Prego sauce over it, fried catfish (was better than anticipated because I like fresh fish better than frozen and it was frozen) with hushpuppies (although those weren't done as well), venison burgers, and like I alluded to in another post, brisket.

We've been trying to get ground beef and can't for a couple weeks, but that's the only nitpick right now.

Oh, and dad's decided to do "corned beef tongue".
 
weatherfide said:
If we are shut down for 3 months it won’t be 3 to 6 months of hardship, it will be more like 10 to 15 years of hardship. And you’re not seeing the bigger picture. The unemployment money will run out sooner than you think. Where do you think that money is going to come from? And if you think the government can just print more, don’t forget about inflation and how much that cuts. The youngsters will be hurt the most. No hope for jobs. No careers. Not enough to eat. Large numbers of homeless. Sounds like you’re the selfish one to me. Sacrificing the future of the young for the feel good of today. I bet you support killing the unborn, too.
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Wow.
 
Im not trying to minimize things at all and i feel terrible for everyone who has died, but let's try to keep some perspective. 99% of people who catch the virus in the US are surviving. If you watched the news you would think the death rates were enormous.
 
So I keep seeing things where people downplay the death/hospital rate because it isn't taking in to account people who dont show symptoms. Doesn't this same thing happen with the flu and other viruses? Do people with the flu have the same situation? Have the flu with no/mild symptoms.
 
Shaggy said:
So when are weatherfide,mathew70, dewpoint dan all volunterring to go catch covid19 to help build herd immunity?
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It is likely I’ve already caught it and recovered. Waiting on antibody testing to verify. I’m not doing anything to avoid the virus other than normal good hygiene. I’m not in a high risk group either.
 
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