One thing for certain, even after the corona is gone we still won’t be prepared for the next one. These outbreaks are not new.
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Iceagewhereartthou
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Of course I think about my parents and other family members who are seniors, but we have to go through every flu season with the same concern. I guess I just don't understand this idea that we have to shut everythig down to contain this virus. How come we don't shut everything down and quarantine people every fall? Couldn't we possibly prevent about 50,000 American deaths (or about 500,000 worldwide) every year (mostly seniors) if we closed schools, businesses, canceled festivals and concerts, limited airline flights, quarantined people, and sold out of hand sanitizer? Surely that would be worth it. Why are we panicking and saying this is necessary for this virus but we never do this for the flu. If 50,000 Americans die from this there will be riots in the streets about how the government did not do enough and how it is unacceptable and heads need to roll but we let the flu run it's course every year? Huh? How come we don't change our culture and do away with automobiles since 40,000 die every year, with millions more affected by car accidents? We have 4,000 drowning deaths every year, almost all in the summertime. Should our culture panic and start shutting down all pools and lakes every summer to save those lives? If our culture wants to react to this level for every threat that is fine; we do it with toy recalls and e coli laden lettuce, but then lets not sleep on the things that regularly take a massive number of lives.
IMO it is all about this being something different. It's not something people hear about all the time and so it's a bit of an unknown, which a lot of people find scary. If 3,000 Chinese people had died quickly from the flu itself I doubt we would have ever heard anything about it. There is also a control element here. People think they have control over their cars and pools so they think those deaths won't happen to them, but they feel like they don't have control with this virus. The reality is we have very little control over anything. This is what people are panicking over; the unknowns and fears, rather than what is actually happening.
We're all going to take it as we wish. I don't see the point in panicking, shutting down our economy or daily operations for weeks or months, or doing a while bunch of majorly drastic things we never do for things that routinely take massive numbers of life. The vast number of people that we know have been affected have recovered fully or are expected to. Take precautions, keep perspective, live life while you got it!
NCSNOW
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Who is denying or discounting the coronovirus? Im as far on the right as probably anyone on this board. Been monitoring this thing,posting about it back in January in the political forum,before GAWX even created this thread. Im viewing this the same way I have been for 2 months now. Just because im not runing up and down the street yelling the end of mankind is upon us ,shut everything down, or using annalytical data to compare with flu doesnt mean I"m denying this virus, it being highly contagious. Analyzing data, looking into the numbers and staying aware of the current situation at this very momnent is what many of us are doing. This is an evolving situation. We are enetring the point where we are going to have to limit people gatherings,interactions for a short span of time. Is what it is. However we will get through this.I don't get it web. I was hoping Tucker Carlson's comments last night might start penetrating the thoughts of some of the deniers on the right. (as least it seems those discounting the seriousness seem to lean right politically)
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Carlson's opening monologue concluded:
"The Chinese coronavirus will get worse. Its effects will be far more disruptive than they are right now. That is not a guess. It is inevitable. Let's hope everyone stops lying about that, and soon."
Iceagewhereartthou
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Which is a perfect example of why panic will only significantly worsen this whole process (and this is exaclty where panic is leading us).
Webberweather53
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We’ve lost almost all the gains we made last night. Stocks have been plummeting since opening bell.
Yellow Snow
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The commanding general of US Army Europe has placed himself and his staff under self-quarantine.
www.armytimes.com
Army Europe commander goes remote after possible coronavirus exposure
The commander of U.S. Army Europe, along with several staff members, may have been exposed to COVID-19 during a recent conference.
www.armytimes.com
Nerman
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There are a lot of people still comparing it to the flu. Look at the post right above yours. That's what I'm getting at and was Tucker Carlson's message last night. It's sad that it is coming from such influential leadership and media.
Storm5
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COVID-19 Travel Update: Fauci Says Cruising Is OK If You Are Healthy
Speaking at a White House press conference tonight, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of NIAD, told reporters if you are healthy, there is no reason to eschew cruise vacations.
www.forbes.com
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COVID-19 Travel Update: Fauci Says Cruising Is OK If You Are Healthy
Speaking at a White House press conference tonight, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of NIAD, told reporters if you are healthy, there is no reason to eschew cruise vacations.
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The right hand does not know what the left hand is saying. Avoid places of a 100 more of people. Last time I took a cruise there was more than a 100 people on it.
The right hand does not know what the left hand is saying. Avoid places of a 100 more of people. Last time I took a cruise there was more than a 100 people on it.
NCSNOW
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There is nothing wrong with comparing it to the flu. Flu is a well understood and given metric. Now we take the data we have from SK and Italy , dig into it. Then compare side by side to get a clearer picture hopefully of what we are dealing with here. Its hard to trust the china and Iran numbers. Not saying to trash them, but shouldnt be as weighted as sk and italy. We also have to understand Italy population is much older than the USA or SK.
So I know about seasonal flu, stats,trends etc. So as we continue to gather info from coronovirus and feel more confident about it (the data it gives us) then we can conclude, hey this appears to yield the same,more or less posotive and negative results as the seasonal flu we combat every year.
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Drivers in Montana have an equal chance of dying in a car crash than those Covid-19 sufferers under 40 in S. Korea. By the way, it's probably terrible in North Korea. Most of those people are barely hanging on as it is.
Nerman
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University of Tennessee scientists use ORNL supercomputer to seek possible coronavirus cure
OAK RIDGE, Tenn. (WATE) — As the coronavirus outbreak edges closer to East Tennessee, a possible cure could be closer to coming from the region. Two researchers have discovered a chemical com…
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Nerman
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Wow. People are comparing it to the flu as if it s the same or if the flu is worse. Not as it is a scientific experiment to understand the differences as you mention. This is about saving lives at this point.
From the WHO:
“We don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu — it’s just not possible,” Tedros said. “But it is possible for Covid-19. We don’t do contact-tracing for seasonal flu — but countries should do it for Covid-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.”
Yellow Snow
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I shudder to think of what may be happening in the DPRK right now - most of their population is severely immunocompromised due to poor nutrition and lack of basic medical care.
State of Emergency declared for North Carolina.
ABC news said people who are avoiding the gym/exercise will be more prone to get corona compared to those who go to gyms with lots of people. I agree with this!
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Webberweather53
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Coronavirus kills an order of magnitude more people per capita than the Flu (actually 10-50x more/cases), 15-20% of coronavirus cases require hospitalization, less than 2% do for the flu (big one there), one person w/ CoV-19 can infect 3-5x more people than the flu, it's doubling time is 3 days compared to the flu's of 7 days, the coronavirus can survive several days (a week or more) on hard surfaces, the flu can't, 15% of people that contract the coronavirus get re-infected, it's extremely rare for anyone to be reinfected by the influenza virus, and people are generally infected much longer (as much as 3-4 weeks), and furthermore, unlike the flu, we have no vaccine or any way to cure/curb symptoms, we can contain the coronavirus, and it's going to put unnecessary strain on our already stressed medical system.
But you're right, let's compare it to the flu, because reasons.
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Thanks for sharing this, and wow. Sounds like you may have observed some of the first cases around here.
Iceagewhereartthou
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This is not even in the ball park with the flu at this point. Could it get there or worse? Of course. Is this the flu? No, but a communicable respiratory visus that can spread quickly and lead to lots of hospitalizations and deaths is going to prompt comaprisons to something we are more familiar with, and why shouldn't it? Suppose we weren't trying to apply what we've learned over the years of dealing with the flu here; that would be pretty idiotic don't you think?
And the WHO containment comment supports what many of us are talking about and why this is no where near the level of the flu (at least yet). Again, should we use common sense and extra care? Certainly. Should we panic and shut everything down? Not in my opinion, and that's all it is of course. But panic isn't helpful. We may need to take some extra steps with the elderly based on what we are seeing, but doing a whole bunch of shutting down of things and stuff we don't even try with an ilness that kills tens of thousands every year doesn't make sense to me. That is panic. Panic will lead to a whole bunch of other bad stuff and will affect far more lives.
Actually I’d think NK is probably taking it better than most think. I’d bet their population above 50 is likely much lower than surrounding regions. That is a sad way to look at it but it is what it is.
Nerman
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Go ask Italy how that's working out. The whole dang country is now under quarantine. I guess we can debate about how it's like the flu until we get to that point...
Sources?
This article right here says it can live on surfaces for up to a day.
The coronavirus can live on a surgical mask for 7 days, cloth for 2 days, and paper for 3 hours. Here's how to disinfect surfaces properly.
The novel coronavirus is thought to be spread mainly via droplets passed between people. But viral particles can also live on some surfaces for days.
www.google.com
Webberweather53
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Did just some extra precaution help contain the virus in China, South Korea, and Italy or did they have to quarantine most of or the entire country?
Oh wait that's right...
Webberweather53
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Sources?
This article right here says it can live on surfaces for up to a day.
The coronavirus can live on a surgical mask for 7 days, cloth for 2 days, and paper for 3 hours. Here's how to disinfect surfaces properly.
The novel coronavirus is thought to be spread mainly via droplets passed between people. But viral particles can also live on some surfaces for days.
Nope, it's a lot more than a day, Coronavirus can survive on surfaces for up to 9 days (more).
"A past study found that these related coronaviruses can stay on surfaces such as metal, glass or plastic for as long as nine days, according to a study published Feb. 6 in The Journal of Hospital Infection."
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-myths.html
"The authors show that, depending on the material and the conditions, human coronaviruses can remain infectious from 2 hours to 9 days"
Coronaviruses: How long can they survive on surfaces?
A recent review investigates how long coronaviruses can survive outside the body; it also assesses which chemicals are most effective against the pathogen.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
NCSNOW
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READ AND QUOTE WHOLE POST. You are pulling one sentence and spinning a narrative taking what I said out of context.
I'd like to remind everyone, let's please try to treat each other nicely, even when we don't agree.
Nerman
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NCSNOW, I wasn't specifically talking about you and I apologize if it came across that way. My concern is all the people saying "Oh, its just like the flu> Or, oh, it doesn't kill as many as the flu." Those scenarios do not seem to apply to you at all. Again, my bad if it came across that way.
NCSNOW
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I give up . Trying to explain to you guys why people compare it to the flu doesnt mean anyone is saying its not as bad as the flu or 10x worse.
Its a metric of a known quantity. To then form conclusions from.
Will probably see a lot more of this. I don't get the feeling that people in the US have a full appreciation for the magnitude of what is coming.
BHS1975
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The quicker folks stop comparing this to the flu the better.
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Nope, it's a lot more than a day, Coronavirus can survive on surfaces for up to 9 days (more).
"A past study found that these related coronaviruses can stay on surfaces such as metal, glass or plastic for as long as nine days, according to a study published Feb. 6 in The Journal of Hospital Infection."
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-myths.html
"The authors show that, depending on the material and the conditions, human coronaviruses can remain infectious from 2 hours to 9 days"
Coronaviruses: How long can they survive on surfaces?
A recent review investigates how long coronaviruses can survive outside the body; it also assesses which chemicals are most effective against the pathogen.
Interesting. I’ll definitely read those in a bit.
BHS1975
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JHS
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Also the movie The Stand comes to mind. Lock downs like the Texas city in that movie may be coming soon.
Webberweather53
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Putting it in the same context as the flu clearly downplays the threat the Coronavirus poses to the US to the average American that's not debatable and I'm not sure why you're trying to subsequently cover your tracks and say you never implied "x" because when you tout far right-wing talking points "there is nothing wrong with comparing it to the flu" you're clearly implying they are in fact similar in many respects and it's beyond obvious at this point they aren't. These baseless, nonsensical comparisons (even implied ones) between CoV-19 & Influenza need to stop because there really is no valid comparison.
NoSnowATL
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1 million people died from the flu in 1968. How many have died from C-19. I don’t see 1 million. People can’t just say flu. EvErY FlU SeASoN Is DiFfErEnT.
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Webberweather53
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You can't compare CoV-19 to the flu when the CoV has yet to have any chance to infect the entire population for a very significant portion of time (more than several months).
That's the logical equivalent of someone saying "Wow! This category 5 hurricane that's headed towards my house isn't so bad! What's all this hype about?!" when you've only gone thru first outer rain band.
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