Anything is possible as many don't do things the way they're supposed to be done. Regardless, correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation obviously and that's my main point.
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Anything is possible as many don't do things the way they're supposed to be done. Regardless, correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation obviously and that's my main point.
smast16
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I did all my shopping online. I know they made sure to take tax there too
I think its more than online vs in person shopping. People looking down the barrel of a long protracted lock down won't be as joyous, and will be worried about economy retracting in response. Thus people will spend less money.
This is deep but I agree. I rode by some of the big box stores on black Friday. They were packed
NCSNOW
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Spot on!
And the Hollidays excuse??? Thanksgiving was 6 days ago, but this MSM news feed has been the same for the past 4+ weeks.
Sorry but the "science" of realville own personal observations, eye test have no faith in the mask deterent point of view. Now clean hands, 6 feet. That one makes perfect sense.
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How many cases would there not be with mask? 2 sided coin and post above explains well. I touch my face continously adjusting,removing the thing. Not grabbing a new one evrytime. Counter productive imo. Yields more risk and very little,if any reward. Giving false sense of security. Data suggest it compounds problem to me
That is possible for some folks. But we also know that at least the concept of them helping is real if done correctly. Otherwise, why would docs and nurses wear them? This is not a new concept..
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From the CDC (if you trust them), Georgia has been about "average" (average = 1,680/week) deaths from all causes since late September. CV deaths have dropped dramatically. Some people still want to lock GA down again. If so, it ain't about the virus.
Masks have always been known to do a much better job of reducing one's chance of spreading the virus assuming they already have it vs reducing one's chance of getting it. So, they do a better job of protecting others than protecting yourself. So, I agree that they will give some a false sense of security.
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If the virus exists on the mask because it filtered the virus from entering your body how did the mask not do it's job and how is it the fault of said mask if someone self contaminates by touching their face or the mask?
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I think the main focus for surgical masks is to keep an accidental sneeze or fluid emission from reaching a patient. You're not going to stop a virus. Also, I think if you are symptomatic and have to be around people, the mask would help reduce your spreading while coughing, sneezing, etc. You need the full hazmat suit and follow proper protocols to really stop it. Look at what they did for Ebola. That's what you need. Everybody would have to wear them, all the time, when near people.
Everything else is just to make people feel good or to possibly easily identify the liberty/freedom loving rebels-the non-compliant.
If the premise is correct, then it may be a plausible reason why masks might only be marginally effective, assuming the virus is airborne. I would guess that 99% of mask-wearers don't even come close to proper removal and disposal of PPE. It may not be 99% in reality, but it's close and unlikely to change.
Apparently the governor of California the mayor of San Francisco and the mayor of San Jose California arent scared without a mask. They just like making the rules.
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Now your talking about the mask material and whether it actually filters the tiny particles that the virus is attached to. Only some masks do this for inhalation. None filter exhaust. I think we are discussing the macro application and whether a mask mandate is efficacious to slow the spread, not the actual effectiveness of the mask material. If you circumvent the filter, what's the point of having a filter?
I think many wearers circumvent the filters, unaware that they are doing it.
That's true and I see this argument often, however I will just counter by adding those same medical professionals wear gloves, gowns, usually more than one mask and even shields, use new sterile PPE multiple times throughout the day. So yeah it's not wise to blanketly say "mask don't work" but for the general public, unless we are going to go around all day dressed head to toe like medical professionals, it's not nearly as effective. And I dare say it creates a false security, often resulting in less social distancing and more touching of items, face, etc etc that certainly can lead to additional spread.
Nerman
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Sad day today.
2nd most deaths on record. 2,600
Unprecedented hospitalizations. 98,600 Almost 100,000 hospitalized.
Cases don't matter. But hospitalizations and deaths do. Only 5 ICU beds left in my GA community of hospitals NGHS. Highest number of patients they've had since the pandemic started. https://www.nghs.com/covid-19/latest-covid-19-data This is the Hall County, GA and surrounding area.
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2nd most deaths on record. 2,600
Unprecedented hospitalizations. 98,600 Almost 100,000 hospitalized.
Cases don't matter. But hospitalizations and deaths do. Only 5 ICU beds left in my GA community of hospitals NGHS. Highest number of patients they've had since the pandemic started. https://www.nghs.com/covid-19/latest-covid-19-data This is the Hall County, GA and surrounding area.
Hospitals stretched beyond 'reasonable limit' as number of Covid-19 patients reaches 100,000
The total number of coronavirus deaths reported in a day set a new record Wednesday and hospitalizations also reached an all-time high, and doctors and nurses across the US are trying to find creative ways to handle the surging number of patients.
Nerman
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I'm not sure if you use this site for your county Covid-19 statistics but it seems like a good resource. Currently 153 hospitalized in Fayette County.
Nov. 30 pandemic report: Fayette adds 28 cases today, 481 during November - The Citizen
Here’s the Covid-19 pandemic report from the Georgia Department of Public Health as of 2:50 p.m., Nov. 30: THE NUMBERS: Fayette cases — 2,702 (+28 new cases more than the previous …
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smast16
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Dear Journal:
Today is day 256 of Covid 19 and People are still trying to convince the other side of their stance on Masks... Lol
Today is day 256 of Covid 19 and People are still trying to convince the other side of their stance on Masks... Lol
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Yeah, we had an emergency about a month ago, broken wrist, we were in and out of the ED in about two hours. It’s not stressing the system at all. Hospitals want to keep the beds at eighty percent to keep the receivables up. Part of the problem with free market health care.I'm not sure if you use this site for your county Covid-19 statistics but it seems like a good resource. Currently 153 hospitalized in Fayette County.
Nov. 30 pandemic report: Fayette adds 28 cases today, 481 during November - The Citizen
Here’s the Covid-19 pandemic report from the Georgia Department of Public Health as of 2:50 p.m., Nov. 30: THE NUMBERS: Fayette cases — 2,702 (+28 new cases more than the previous …thecitizen.com
I know there has been research on grocery stores being safe. But, it’s just so hard to believe that Foodlion and Walmart don’t contribute..
And all eateries. (Even Bojangles drive through).
Shaggy
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it is stressing the hospitals around here.
North Alabama too. Several of the smaller hospitals have over 50% of their patients as Covid. Huntsville Hospital Systems are starting to postpone elective surgeries at some hospitals. The bigger hospitals are having a staffing shortage and not a bed shortage at this time
Shaggy
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Already at 2200 deaths reported today and approaching 280k total. Sadly I think 300k will be reached before Christmas.
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Hospitals in mid TN are full as well. Went to a high school basketball game last night with hardly any masks and no social distancing. So sad for our health care workers. If everyone would do their part we may not have to shut down but we know that people are going to do what they want. Sad
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Just so dumb
It's more likely we will see more than 320,000 deaths by the end of the month.
Nerman
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It's starting to hit the LTC facilities in Fayette again.
Fayette long-term care facilities see big Covid increases - The Citizen
The Dec. 1 report by Ga. Department of Community Health (DCH) on Covid-19 cases in Fayette County long-term care facilities showed 10 new residents testing positive for the virus, one …
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10 people, are positive. LTC is short for "waiting to die soon". Everything is a threat to people stuck in these places. It's sad, but a fact of life. We can't shut down economic engines everywhere to save them all.It's starting to hit the LTC facilities in Fayette again.
Fayette long-term care facilities see big Covid increases - The Citizen
The Dec. 1 report by Ga. Department of Community Health (DCH) on Covid-19 cases in Fayette County long-term care facilities showed 10 new residents testing positive for the virus, one …thecitizen.com
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More than 5,000 new cases in NC today.
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The actual number is 5,600 new cases. A record day for both new cases and hospitalizations. And the hospital capacity is probably getting close to the point that we see stricter restrictions. Just a guess though.
Shaggy
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Yeah not good trends. Mask wearing is down around here quite a bit especially among the college crowd.
I think there’s probably some backlog after the holiday/holiday weekend still contributing, but yeah, not ideal.
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What's really weird is her daughter works at the hospital and apparently brought it home, and had a lighter case but was sicker longer than her mom. It's a strange disease, and the best thing is to just not get it. I had pneumonia twice last year, and I wear three n95's, and and safety glasses, and wash everything down in alcohol. With a big freakin' bullseye on my back, and many of my fellow citizens apparently are happy to kill me, I ain't taking any chances. I know 4 people who have had it and survived. But none of them had pneumonia twice last year. The most dangerous thing I have to do, and the most dangerous thing I have ever done regularly is going to the dump. Each week I have to take the garbage, and the people running the recycle center don't wear masks, or wear them on their chin, and come right up to you. Some bean counter in local government letting authority go to their head, decided every one needs to have their license checked before they can depost their trash. Reading your plates isn't enough, they want to make sure the one in 3000 who live out of the county but still with county tags don't get to polute the dump with their ill gotten trash, lol....... In a pandemic. You can't make this ship up.
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And yes the virus mutated. The version that came out of Italy is much easier to catch and spread, thus the wild fire we have here. Mask wearing keeps you from killing others. You cough and the particles of mucus/spit/moisture are caught inside your mask, and the ones that get thru don't go far....lacking momentum. Someone coughs on you, the droplets travel with momentum... stick to the outside of your mask and work their way in, thus the need for multiple masks. Wearing one mask won't save you...and hasn't stopped the pandemic either. You need to wear at least three, and for one tear up that 1000 thread count Egyptian cotton sheet and make your middle mask from that.
^ Folks, I bring the breaking news. I had covid in late 2018. Everyone needs an antibody test. It’s been here for 1-2 years at least.
Dude. It wasn't Covid 19. It very well could have been a virus called Covid but there have been several. COVID stands for CO-Corona, VI-Virus, D-Disease, 19-year discovered. You DID NOT have Covid-19 in 2018. Also, did they find anything else during their examination? You clearly have some unique underlying syndromes.
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NC folks, I thought our current phase that was extended ended today but I don't see any mention of the Gov speaking, do I have that wrong?
edit: I see it goes through Dec. 11. Looks like no presser today, he'll shut it down next week..... ugh
edit: I see it goes through Dec. 11. Looks like no presser today, he'll shut it down next week..... ugh
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