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Nick_boynton_ said:
Oh my gosh hes Not saying it’s nothing!! Do u watch the press conferences as of recent ... he even states that it could become a bigger deal but that we must rejoice in the fact that it’s not super widespread like it is in other countries at the moment ... so there’s a possibility we can really control and contain the few cases that pop up here and there across the country .. him and CDC officials and health officials during the presser all day the same thing .. and so far he’s been right and health officials have been right .. yes it’s spreading because that’s what viruses do but also yes they are minor cases that are quarantined and heavily tracked down to create less cases and contain the situation
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Dollars to donuts there is wide community spread going undetected in the US right now. If you have been following the actual progression of the virus from infection to death or recovery, this would be pretty self-evident. I think they want to keep the numbers down RIGHT NOW to keep life going on as usual. It's more of an image thing than reality. And I understand why they would want to do that. In the long run, I think we end up at the same place.
 
Yes I've seen everything he has said about this. what the media and other government's are doing and syaing, vs trump and a few others this will amount to nothing (small fries) just asking if trump is right what was gained or trying to be gained from this. I don't believe you shutdown the system for a 2% death rate, Nor lockdown cities
Maybe I'm wrong there are lots that just don't add up.
 
Dow up over 700/near high of day and up 1,400 above the Fri intraday low! Hopefully that Fri low will end up as THE low of this mess. Remember that these markets are forward looking. An anticipated 50-75 basis point cut can't hurt either.
 
Rain Cold said:
Dollars to donuts there is wide community spread going undetected in the US right now. If you have been following the actual progression of the virus from infection to death or recovery, this would be pretty self-evident. I think they want to keep the numbers down RIGHT NOW to keep life going on as usual. It's more of an image thing than reality. And I understand why they would want to do that. In the long run, I think we end up at the same place.
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Yeah at this point probably thousands or even 10's of thousands of Americans have it or have been exposed.....some wont ever even get sick from it so the true numbers are next to impossible to know. I agree not doing widespread testing is on purpose to keep the number low to prevent panic etc....not sure if I agree with this policy seems to me we want to know how bad and how far it has spread...the fact there are cases in the 4 corners of the country tell you its already spreading everywhere. I feel like Trump is way behind the curve with this and the wait and see attitude or reliance on the country being healthy is gonna get a lot of older people with health problems killed, we need to be aggressively out trying to localize and contain the worse outbreaks and it feels like that is the opposite of what is happening and by the time they pull the trigger on that kind of action it will already be too late for a lot of people.
 
GaWx said:
Dow up over 700/near high of day and up 1,400 above the Fri intraday low! Hopefully that Fri low will end up as THE low of this mess. Remember that these markets are forward looking. An anticipated 50-75 basis point cut can't hurt either.
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That is a big player, hopefully today isn't a dead cat bounce.....
 
Windergawx said:
Yes I've seen everything he has said about this. what the media and other government's are doing and syaing, vs trump and a few others this will amount to nothing (small fries) just asking if trump is right what was gained or trying to be gained from this. I don't believe you shutdown the system for a 2% death rate, Nor lockdown cities
Maybe I'm wrong there are lots that just don't add up.
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I think it is mostly due to the just in time or just enough healthcare systems that we all have in place. This virus is highly contagious, with a much higher severe complication rate than the flu. We don't have the hospital beds or necessary equipment to be able to treat and manage a large influx of people on top of what is already coming in with the regular flu and other things. Couple that with the economic and social issues that would arise if everyone panics at the same time, and you have a crisis on your hands.

I think they're doing their best to downplay and delay right now. They're 100% running a marketing campaign rather than a pandemic containment strategy. But as I said, I think we will get to the panic phase and the overwhelmed healthcare phase, at least in spots.
 
Rain Cold said:
Dollars to donuts there is wide community spread going undetected in the US right now. If you have been following the actual progression of the virus from infection to death or recovery, this would be pretty self-evident. I think they want to keep the numbers down RIGHT NOW to keep life going on as usual. It's more of an image thing than reality. And I understand why they would want to do that. In the long run, I think we end up at the same place.
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And this goes back to "There can't be an outbreak if there is no testing" logic. Purposefully being slow or not being able to test so everything looks fine. No I'm not saying it's the end of the world but rather that I'm sure they're just doing panic control.
 
The Dow has quickly come back 30% (1.5K) of the 5K drop that ended intraday Friday! That's pretty impressive!

Virtually everything is strong today including crude being up $2.33.
 
Downeastnc said:
Yeah at this point probably thousands or even 10's of thousands of Americans have it or have been exposed.....some wont ever even get sick from it so the true numbers are next to impossible to know. I agree not doing widespread testing is on purpose to keep the number low to prevent panic etc....not sure if I agree with this policy seems to me we want to know how bad and how far it has spread...the fact there are cases in the 4 corners of the country tell you its already spreading everywhere. I feel like Trump is way behind the curve with this and the wait and see attitude or reliance on the country being healthy is gonna get a lot of older people with health problems killed, we need to be aggressively out trying to localize and contain the worse outbreaks and it feels like that is the opposite of what is happening and by the time they pull the trigger on that kind of action it will already be too late for a lot of people.
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Honestly I don't think there's any containing this no matter who is in charge at the CDC, president or other position that has an influence on this. China basically shut everything down for several weeks and longer in other places which didn't work since it's all over the world now. It's likely going to be something we have to deal with each year like the flu/common cold with the severity of it TBD. Even if we tried to contain it in America there is no way you can keep people all over the world who fly into the US every single day from spreading it unless you shut down all international flights/borders which is not practical and would cause more harm than good by potentially severely disrupting the economy. Add in the fact that there are probably hundreds if not more who may have it in the US with only mild symptoms and never go to the doctor to get it diagnosed, it's simply not possible IMO to contain it at this point in the game.
 
NoSnowATL said:
This virus doesn’t like people 50 and up.


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Hopefully, there aren't that many people over 50. Really hopefully, those that are are in fabulous health.
 
I think the skew is really high toward 75/80+. It drops off 70 - 80 and then again 60 - 70 and starts falling off more rapidly from there. Other health issues greatly increase serious illness/death chances, and smoking seems to be an accelerator also.
 
NoSnowATL said:
This virus doesn’t like people 50 and up.


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I think it’s more closer to 75. Seems like 95% of the dead outside of China are over 75 with the small percentage below that have health concerns. The good news is it is apparent who we have to protect, the public just needs to get onboard with watching when they are sick and not visit elderly relatives and nursing homes.
 
Rain Cold said:
I think the skew is really high toward 75/80+. It drops off 70 - 80 and then again 60 - 70 and starts falling off more rapidly from there. Other health issues greatly increase serious illness/death chances, and smoking seems to be an accelerator also.
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That’s the question I was looking for. I would like to see out of the deaths so far how many smoked.


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NoSnowATL said:
That’s the question I was looking for. I would like to see out of the deaths so far how many smoked.


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I read that a lot of Chinese men smoke. About half.
 
smast16 said:
And I just quit smoking last year. By no means have i corrected the 10 years of damage done, but better than nothing right?
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Correct. I never smoked but dipped since I was 13. I quit last year. Nicotine is a ----- but once you get past the 2-3 months withdrawals it’s worth it.


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Windergawx said:
www.mirror.co.uk

Entire UK cities could be placed on coronavirus lockdown to contain spread

Matt Hancock yesterday refused to rule out putting British cities on lockdown, in an echo of how China looked to first contain the virus to its Wuhan epicentre
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
weird for something less deadly than flu
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It may not be as deadly right now but comparing it to something that has been around for years seems somewhat irresponsible because right now countries are only able to see whats happened in China and starting to occur in their country. They also have more details about the virus than the public and it's probably worse than their letting onto. Now I'm not saying it's overdone because it could be but it could also be the right thing for their circumstances.
 
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