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I’m getting my paycheck tommorow, and I already plan on buying several canned items/dry items that don’t go old, and some more fluid for my breathing treatment thingy (what I use when my asthma flares up) , ain’t taking no risks, not panicking, just getting prepared early in the game

Mountain House freeze dried food I highly recommend. You can buy it in large cans, has a shelf life of up to 30 years as long as it's not opened and is easy to use once opened. Simply heat up some boiling water and mix it up and let it sit a few mins for a nice hot meal! Campers use the stuff quite a bit.
 
Maybe it's ignorance on their part, maybe it's playing with politics, maybe it's not as bad as many think or maybe their just trying to not create panic. Let's face it, whatever he says will be praised by some and ridiculed by others, no matter how right or wrong his words. At least for now maybe the prudent approach is to carry on in public as if this isn't a big deal and be prepared otherwise behind the scenes. I mean can you imagine the absolute chaos that would ensue if he actually came out and stated it was much worse than feared, it's in the US, we need to take action now? You've seen the run on grocery stores for a 2" snowfall forecast right?
It's a combination of all three, plus normalcy bias. We haven't seen a virus like this in a century. There's a balance between measured messaging the seriousness of the situation and all out panic. You have a background situation where the tide is slowly rolling out, revealing the corruption of governments all over the world. Now, you have what amounts to Leslie Nielsen in the Naked Gun, shouting there's nothing to see here, as the compound is exploding in the background, with governments all over the world. People are really going to really lose faith in leadership that either isn't honest or is completely inept. You can indicate that it's time to prepare or you can wait until the mess hits the fan and be 3 steps behind. That snowstorm scenario will be a reality that might not be able to be easily overcome in the latter scenario.

I'm not trying to bash Trump, but he would do himself a great service to address the issue head-on, build his credibility, prepare his country, and stop the stock market nonsense for a while.
 
While I don't think anything too bad is going to occur from a societal angle. Below link is a decent list of minimal basics. @Jimmy Hypocracy your N95 mask made the list. :)
I noticed they forgot ammo..... ?

 
It's a combination of all three, plus normalcy bias. We haven't seen a virus like this in a century. There's a balance between measured messaging the seriousness of the situation and all out panic. You have a background situation where the tide is slowly rolling out, revealing the corruption of governments all over the world. Now, you have what amounts to Leslie Nielsen in the Naked Gun, shouting there's nothing to see here, as the compound is exploding in the background, with governments all over the world. People are really going to really lose faith in leadership that either isn't honest or is completely inept. You can indicate that it's time to prepare or you can wait until the mess hits the fan and be 3 steps behind. That snowstorm scenario will be a reality that might not be able to be easily overcome in the latter scenario.

I'm not trying to bash Trump, but he would do himself a great service to address the issue head-on, build his credibility, prepare his country, and stop the stock market nonsense for a while.
I don't see how you can inform and prepare the country without causing panic. Just look at snow storms around here.
 
While I don't think anything too bad is going to occur from a societal angle. Below link is a decent list of minimal basics. @Jimmy Hypocracy your N95 mask made the list. :)
I noticed they forgot ammo..... ?

I bought 300 shotgun shells and 500 38 special rounds yesterday afternoon. At worst, I have a lot of target ammo to burn through this spring.

Now I’m worried the website I bought the N95 masks off of might be on delay..I’m just not sure because many places seem to be out of stock the more I dig into it..
 
I bought 300 shotgun shells and 500 38 special rounds yesterday afternoon. At worst, I have a lot of target ammo to burn through this spring.

Now I’m worried the website I bought the N95 masks off of might be on delay..I’m just not sure because many places seem to be out of stock the more I dig into it..
I haven't allowed myself to prepare like this yet. I'm not sure I can handle thinking about doing more than finding a way to feed everyone off the land. If I have to defend it things will be so bad I don't like to go there yet.
 
Until I’m on my death bed or someone I care about is I would laugh at anyone who brings this virus up to me. Sorta like the civil war in Virginia happening. Hot garbage for sell.
 
I haven't allowed myself to prepare like this yet. I'm not sure I can handle thinking about doing more than finding a way to feed everyone off the land. If I have to defend it things will be so bad I don't like to go there yet.
I like to target practice on the weekends ??‍♂️ coronavirus was mainly an excuse for me to load up on ammo lol
 
It's a combination of all three, plus normalcy bias. We haven't seen a virus like this in a century. There's a balance between measured messaging the seriousness of the situation and all out panic. You have a background situation where the tide is slowly rolling out, revealing the corruption of governments all over the world. Now, you have what amounts to Leslie Nielsen in the Naked Gun, shouting there's nothing to see here, as the compound is exploding in the background, with governments all over the world. People are really going to really lose faith in leadership that either isn't honest or is completely inept. You can indicate that it's time to prepare or you can wait until the mess hits the fan and be 3 steps behind. That snowstorm scenario will be a reality that might not be able to be easily overcome in the latter scenario.

I'm not trying to bash Trump, but he would do himself a great service to address the issue head-on, build his credibility, prepare his country, and stop the stock market nonsense for a while.

You said we haven’t seen a virus like this in a century. On what are you basing this so conclusively? Do you have a link? TIA
 
Until I’m on my death bed or someone I care about is I would laugh at anyone who brings this virus up to me. Sorta like the civil war in Virginia happening. Hot garbage for sell.
Mainly put on hold because the weapon ban was shot down in the VA senate..but that’s neither here nor there
 
You said we haven’t seen a virus like this in a century. On what are you basing this so conclusively? Do you have a link? TIA
I could be wrong but I think RC is referencing the Spanish flu. I know that’s where my mind went when this thing seemed to break containment
 
You said we haven’t seen a virus like this in a century. On what are you basing this so conclusively? Do you have a link? TIA

Spanish Flu of 1918 perhaps? 675,000 Americans killed and 20 - 50 million worldwide.

 
It's a combination of all three, plus normalcy bias. We haven't seen a virus like this in a century. There's a balance between measured messaging the seriousness of the situation and all out panic. You have a background situation where the tide is slowly rolling out, revealing the corruption of governments all over the world. Now, you have what amounts to Leslie Nielsen in the Naked Gun, shouting there's nothing to see here, as the compound is exploding in the background, with governments all over the world. People are really going to really lose faith in leadership that either isn't honest or is completely inept. You can indicate that it's time to prepare or you can wait until the mess hits the fan and be 3 steps behind. That snowstorm scenario will be a reality that might not be able to be easily overcome in the latter scenario.

I'm not trying to bash Trump, but he would do himself a great service to address the issue head-on, build his credibility, prepare his country, and stop the stock market nonsense for a while.
I honestly think this is still to be determined, initial thoughts of ebola was along the same lines.... again the misinformation from other governments contributes to this. It may very well be that bad but time will tell.

As far as Trump goes I'd take the same approach honestly, no need to promote panic and the fact they are asking for 2.5 billion dollars of funding should indicate it is being taken seriously.
 
Until I’m on my death bed or someone I care about is I would laugh at anyone who brings this virus up to me. Sorta like the civil war in Virginia happening. Hot garbage for sell.
Comparing a few thousand angry gun owners talking about a pipe dream civil war to a potential pandemic is bird brained
 
Spanish Flu of 1918 perhaps? 675,000 Americans killed and 20 - 50 million worldwide.


But why has he already concluded that it is the worst since then? Even if it is, hopefully it wouldn’t be nearly as bad.
 
Dont forget about the some odd 7k under home quarantine in cali. Wonder if they all really do stay home,
 
Coronavirus so far has surpassed SARS, MERS, it’s similar to H1N1, but the virus so far appears more severe, altho H1N1 was known for significantly affecting younger people, and infected many amounts of people around the world, this looks like H1N1 in its early stages but coronavirus appears more severe, and tends to effect the elderly more, and the place it originated from isn’t trustworthy, atm I would say this is the worse threat we’ve faced since 2009 H1N1 since they both spread via HTH transmission and through droplets of infected people’s sneezes/coughes that can drift in the air and viruses that survive on surfaces, Ebola is a bit different, you needed contact with bodily fluids (most often touching the person or touching there bodily fluids) but the tradeoff is that it’s much deadlier
 
I'm glad this thread was made because this has been bothering me for almost a month. It's hard to talk directly to people about this without being looked at like you're crazy or scaring them to death... Or both

Well when you're saying stuff like you're stocking up on ammo and such, yeah, people are going to think you're crazy.
 
Damn today Barcelona, Switzerland, now France
I hate to say it but it's already here. It has to be spreading at all major airports and high density population areas. The question is at what point does it show itself to the public? It may be no worse than a bad flu season and nobody even noticed it. It could also be like 1918 or worse, how would that impact society?
 
I hate to say it but it's already here. It has to be spreading at all major airports and high density population areas. The question is at what point does it show itself to the public? It may be no worse than a bad flu season and nobody even noticed it. It could also be like 1918 or worse, how would that impact society?
Reason number 1001 why I love living in the country
 
I honestly think this is still to be determined, initial thoughts of ebola was along the same lines.... again the misinformation from other governments contributes to this. It may very well be that bad but time will tell.

As far as Trump goes I'd take the same approach honestly, no need to promote panic and the fact they are asking for 2.5 billion dollars of funding should indicate it is being taken seriously.
Supply chains are already getting disrupted. Major companies are scrapping guidance for the rest of the year. Much more of that is coming. Combine the economic impacts that are already happening with more on the way, along with the extremely infectious nature of this virus, along with the fact that it is already as widespread as it is, along with the fact that it is likely spreading along in places that aren't reporting or detecting it yet, and I'm comfortable saying this is unlike anything since the Spanish Flu. For Larry, I'm not comparing the outcome to the Spanish Flu point by point. But I am quite confident that the economic impacts of this are much more significant than any other disease we've seen in decades...even if the global numbers of infected/dead aren't that high comparatively.

This is already a pandemic. I expect it to get quite widespread. I hope that it doesn't. I hope it fizzles out tomorrow. But if you watch the trends, and if you listen to the slowly evolving messaging, you can see the progression from ignoring, to denial, to gradual acknowledgement (which is where we are now) happening in real-time. Just look at the CDCs latest comments. That should raise alarm bells.

We, as part of the weather community, really ought to have a good understanding of how this psychology works. If Trump has a TV cut-in tomorrow night and says PANIC, then that's what will happen. If he comes out and says, we have a serious situation developing globally, and while it's not established in the US now, we should start taking the following action and considering the following steps, you would have a much more controlled situation than you will when it shows up in New York City, then San Francisco, then Minneapolis, then Raleigh, etc. out of the blue.

If the stores run out tomorrow, they will be restocked the next day. If they run out in the middle of a surprise epidemic, who knows how soon the supply chains will replenish. This isn't a snowstorm. There is a distinct possibility of a rapidly spreading disease in the US. If you go out and stock your cupboard and buy a few extra items that you're going to use anyway, learn about good hygiene, learn how to interact with a community that is sick, then the worst that happens is that maybe you get a little annoyed. Maybe you have a few extra items that you'll eventually use anyway. Maybe you'll develop some good hygiene habits. Contrast that with the alternative of being completely caught off-guard and not having what you need.

It's time to stop pretending like it's someone else's problem and start acting like it's going to happen here. The sooner that happens from top to bottom, the better we'll be able to deal with whatever comes.
 
I would like to find out the ages of the people that have died from this virus, also if they have had chronic heath issues present.


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Well when you're saying stuff like you're stocking up on ammo and such, yeah, people are going to think you're crazy.
I never said I was stocking up on anything. I'm doing what I have always planned on doing for years. I'm lucky enough to be fully sustainable on my little chunk of dirt. I'm not into processed foods or the sad excuse for meat and vegetables at the store. Don't worry though if the store is sold out, people like me will pick up the slack.
 
I would like to find out the ages of the people that have died from this virus, also if they have had chronic heath issues present.


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Almost all of the data suggests either/or or a combination of both older people and preexisting conditions. There have been some younger deaths as well. But the older you are and the unhealthier you are, the harder you are likely to get hit. That may change as more western countries with reliable reporting become affected. But for now, it looks like 70+ is the highest risk sector.
 
Almost all of the data suggests either/or or a combination of both older people and preexisting conditions. There have been some younger deaths as well. But the older you are and the unhealthier you are, the harder you are likely to get hit. That may change as more western countries with reliable reporting become affected. But for now, it looks like 70+ is the highest risk sector.

Yeah if I’m not mistaken most of the deaths outside China have been older people
 
Supply chains are already getting disrupted. Major companies are scrapping guidance for the rest of the year. Much more of that is coming. Combine the economic impacts that are already happening with more on the way, along with the extremely infectious nature of this virus, along with the fact that it is already as widespread as it is, along with the fact that it is likely spreading along in places that aren't reporting or detecting it yet, and I'm comfortable saying this is unlike anything since the Spanish Flu. For Larry, I'm not comparing the outcome to the Spanish Flu point by point. But I am quite confident that the economic impacts of this are much more significant than any other disease we've seen in decades...even if the global numbers of infected/dead aren't that high comparatively.

This is already a pandemic. I expect it to get quite widespread. I hope that it doesn't. I hope it fizzles out tomorrow. But if you watch the trends, and if you listen to the slowly evolving messaging, you can see the progression from ignoring, to denial, to gradual acknowledgement (which is where we are now) happening in real-time. Just look at the CDCs latest comments. That should raise alarm bells.

We, as part of the weather community, really ought to have a good understanding of how this psychology works. If Trump has a TV cut-in tomorrow night and says PANIC, then that's what will happen. If he comes out and says, we have a serious situation developing globally, and while it's not established in the US now, we should start taking the following action and considering the following steps, you would have a much more controlled situation than you will when it shows up in New York City, then San Francisco, then Minneapolis, then Raleigh, etc. out of the blue.

If the stores run out tomorrow, they will be restocked the next day. If they run out in the middle of a surprise epidemic, who knows how soon the supply chains will replenish. This isn't a snowstorm. There is a distinct possibility of a rapidly spreading disease in the US. If you go out and stock your cupboard and buy a few extra items that you're going to use anyway, the worst that happens is that you get a little annoyed. Contrast that with the alternative.

It's time to stop pretending like it's someone else's problem and start acting like it's going to happen here. The sooner that happens from top to bottom, the better we'll be able to deal with whatever comes.
Not sure who is pretending it's someone else's problem and stocking up on supplies in case of an emergency shouldn't be dependent upon a POTUS advising you to do so (that's part of the problem we have now, society too dependent on gov't to tell them how to live, react, prepare, etc but that's another topic). Anyway to the first part of your post, from an economic perspective, I certainly see your point but we also have to remember that information (good, bad, right or wrong) gets out instantly now. How much worse would the Spanish flu have been from an economic standpoint if information was available worldwide at the click of a button, instead the virus back then spread much faster then the information itself. The fear of what may or may not occur is what drives the economy these days. I don't know, I just don't get the "we're doing nothing and this administration is sitting on it's hands" argument. We're not a 3rd world country and I'm confident we have the medical know how to combat this issue plus as I mentioned, the request for 2.5 billion dollars indicates steps are being taken.
 
@Rain Cold also to this point
If Trump has a TV cut-in tomorrow night and says PANIC, then that's what will happen. If he comes out and says, we have a serious situation developing globally, and while it's not established in the US now, we should start taking the following action and considering the following steps, you would have a much more controlled situation than you will when it shows up in New York City, then San Francisco, then Minneapolis, then Raleigh, etc. out of the blue.

I think you are giving the general public too much credit, Lol... look at the panic that's already starting to show up. Even if the POTUS did a cut-in as you mentioned (the we have a serious situation one) panic would still go full throttle. And there would be those that condemned his actions, again either way no POTUS can win in this situation, not in today's political climate that's for sure.
 
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