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Went to PCB during Memorial Day weekend. Best weekend of the year easily. Life feels completely normal down there and literally everything is open. Social distancing is non existent and I think I saw 2 mask the entire weekend. When I got back home it was a reality check bc everything is still so strict here compared to there.
 
Snowflowxxl said:
Went to PCB during Memorial Day weekend. Best weekend of the year easily. Life feels completely normal down there and literally everything is open. Social distancing is non existent and I think I saw 2 mask the entire weekend. When I got back home it was a reality check bc everything is still so strict here compared to there.
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I haven't been in Dallas much where they are more strict but up here in the suburbs to the north I haven't seen nearly as many people making a big deal about the masks as they were a few weeks ago and most of the restaurants are open like normal

I saw a video from Galveston(where I'm going) and the beach didn't look like anyone really cared
 
GA reported changes in 24 hour increments ending on Fri 6/12 through Wed 6/17:

Date...………………...…….. Fri 6/12....Sat 6/13..Sun 6/14..Mon 6/15..Tue 6/16.....Wed 6/17
Tests (excluding antibodies): 7,493...…….13,254...…..16,286...…..7,089...……...4,218...……..15,450
Cases...……….......….……………….. 810...……….1,018...………..880...…….733...………...664...…………..952
Hospitalizations...……………….. 108...…………...43.........……..24...…......74...………….132...…………….89
ICU...………………….…………..……... 15...…………….8...…………….5...………..9...…………...22...…………….19
Deaths...……………...…………...…... 43......………...28...…...……….5...……...43......……...….35......………….46
 
Snowfan said:
www.foxla.com

LA County reports 2,129 daily new coronavirus cases, highest number since beginning of pandemic

Los Angeles County Wednesday reported 2,129 new coronavirus cases and 34 additional deaths, bringing the totals to 77,189 cases and 2,991 deaths.
www.foxla.com www.foxla.com
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Looks like 600+ were attributed to a backlog from a hospital, though, and we have to keep in mind that LA County’s population is nearly that of Georgia and North Carolina. So it’s not really that much worse than we’ve been seeing around here lately.
 
From a Dr. in Bham on herd immunity

David B Wilhelm
10 hrs ·

Herd Immunity: How do we get there? What will be the cost?
Obviously we want to reach Herd Immunity to stop this pandemic virus, but recently I’ve seen people chirping in favor of naturally occurring Herd Immunity, downplaying social distancing, even some areas hosting COVID parties to increase infections and expedite the process. Unfortunately this is done without a thorough understanding of what may occur along the way. As the old saying goes, be careful what you ask for… because you just might get it.

To begin, let’s define what Herd Immunity actually means. The easy explanation is that Herd Immunity results when the number of immune individuals in a society reaches a point where a disease can no longer exist. Once enough people are immune, the pathogen (SARS-CoV 2 in this case) no longer passes easily from one person to the next, so infections will slow and eventually stop.
Now you’re probably thinking, “If only we had a formula to calculate how many people need to have immunity to accomplish actual Herd Immunity!” And if you were indeed thinking that, then I have good news! There is a formula! If we calculate 1 – 1/R0 we can obtain just such a number!

So what is R0? (Pronounced “R naught”) Well, R0 is a tricky one. Simply stated, R0 represents the number of people who will become infected from 1 person who has the virus. R0 however is not a static measure, it’s constantly changing depending on mitigating factors such as social distancing and wearing face coverings. Measles for example is very contagious and has an R0 of about 15-18, meaning every person who gets the measles will infect 15-18 other people. For SARS-CoV-2 the R0 value, in a non-immune population and without any mitigating factors, is somewhere between 2-3. I’ll simply assign it the average of 2.5 for purposes of our discussion. Now stay with me.

If we plug 2.5 into our Herd Immunity equation of 1-1/R0… through the magic of math we arrive at the value of 60%. This means if we reach the point where 60% of the US population is immune we’ll achieve the goal of Herd Immunity.
So this 60% can be reached by one of 2 ways. One way is through an effective vaccine, and we’re hopeful this happens sooner rather than later. The other way is through infected individuals who survive and produce antibodies… the very scary thing some of you have been quite vocally advocating. You still with me? Good, the punch line is coming.

Now, for the take home point of this discussion. Those of you who are convinced we need to reach immunity the old fashioned way… through infections… well, there’s a problem with your plan. And it’s a big one. You see, the population of the USA is about 330 million. That means we’d need almost 200 million people to become infected and survive the COVID-19 infection to reach Herd Immunity… about 100 times more infections than we have had up to this point. With a conservative death rate of 1% (the actual number may be higher) that means we are going to see 2 million people die of this virus before Herd Immunity is reached in this manner. Current deaths are at about 120 thousand… so 2 million… well, that’s a lot more.

The other option is to work to lower the R0 to below 1 through mitigation efforts of continued social distancing, hand washing, and wearing face coverings until we have an effective vaccine. This will not only reduce the strain on our medical system, it can literally save hundreds of thousands of lives. I know many of you don’t want to hear it, but the science doesn’t change just because you don’t believe it or don’t like it.
Infections, hospitalizations, and ICU bed occupancy are soaring in many states. Increased death rates will follow. To make matters worse, misinformation regarding this infection, social distancing, and mask usage is at an all-time high. If we don’t all pay attention and take the steps we need to take we could see more shut downs of business, schools, sporting events, more exhausting of medical resources, and more death.
So you can continue to stubbornly argue against doing what needs to be done or you can choose to be part of the solution.
Either way be careful what you ask for. Because you just might get it.

David B Wilhelm MD
 
So, Raleigh is making masks a requirement for anyone 12 and over when they are out in public, and the mayor did an interview about it without wearing her mask. ?

I do think it would be smart for people to wear a mask if they are in a crowd for an extended amount of time. But I don't think the virus is spreading from people going to the grocery store and doing other everyday errands and activities.
 
I’d favor a statewide mask requirement for North Carolina when indoors in public places and unable to social distance, to be honest (like the one we have in Durham). I think that’s a relatively painless way to reduce cases so that we can avoid things getting worse as much as possible and backsliding into stage 1.
 
Brick Tamland said:
So, Raleigh is making masks a requirement for anyone 12 and over when they are out in public, and the mayor did an interview about it without wearing her mask. ?

I do think it would be smart for people to wear a mask if they are in a crowd for an extended amount of time. But I don't think the virus is spreading from people going to the grocery store and doing other everyday errands and activities.
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Then why did it keep spreading with the more stringent restrictions? If people would just actually be decent humans instead of screaming about freedoms and they aren't scared of the virus we could probably move forward a lot faster. The same idiots screaming about wanting to open everything are the same idiots not wearing masks and gathering in public spreading the virus, spiking numbers, and keeping things closed.
 
In addition to the bar-going covid-19 cases in Florida, I'm hearing lot's of reports about kids, counselors/teachers contracting Covid-19 in Pembroke Pines, Fort Lauderdale, Davie, and North Miami. This comes after hearing about a teacher her son contracting the virus at my nephew's summer camp two days ago. Actually, just found an article about it.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0200618-jxepmpdlf5dolnkgqhcut4gbpu-story.html

Why are camps being opened?
 
Brick Tamland said:
Lots of retirees in Arizona. Any stats on the demographics of those cases and deaths?
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I read an article the other day, maybe it was in Forbes, can't remember....anyway, it stated that Nationwide: (42% of deaths were coming from just 0.62% of the population). The 42% demographic was from nursing homes and assisted living residents.


Edit: I found the article


www.forbes.com

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

A single statistic may hold the key to resolving the ongoing debate over COVID-19 lockdowns: the astounding share of deaths occurring in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
SASQUATCH said:
I read an article the other day, maybe it was in Forbes, can't remember....anyway, it stated that Nationwide: (42% of deaths were coming from just 0.62% of the population). The 42% demographic was from nursing homes and assisted living residents.


Edit: I found the article


www.forbes.com

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

A single statistic may hold the key to resolving the ongoing debate over COVID-19 lockdowns: the astounding share of deaths occurring in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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Last time I looked, it was even higher for North Carolina (around 60%). Definitely a very big problem.
 
superjames1992 said:
I’d favor a statewide mask requirement for North Carolina when indoors in public places and unable to social distance, to be honest (like the one we have in Durham). I think that’s a relatively painless way to reduce cases so that we can avoid things getting worse as much as possible and backsliding into stage 1.
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government overreach
 
SD said:
Then why did it keep spreading with the more stringent restrictions? If people would just actually be decent humans instead of screaming about freedoms and they aren't scared of the virus we could probably move forward a lot faster. The same idiots screaming about wanting to open everything are the same idiots not wearing masks and gathering in public spreading the virus, spiking numbers, and keeping things closed.
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In Guilford county the County's Covid-19 call center asks if you were at "Riots. Protests, or Mass Gatherings" If you were, then you are eligible for a free test.

So, it's not just the Reopen crowd...
 
smast16 said:
In Guilford county the County's Covid-19 call center asks if you were at "Riots. Protests, or Mass Gatherings" If you were, then you are eligible for a free test.

So, it's not just the Reopen crowd...
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Hey not saying that didn't add to the amount of cases but I probably saw a higher % of masks at the protest than I do at Lowes or Food Lion
 
As I understand it, wearing cloth masks is to prevent people that have the virus and don't know it from spreading to others, but it doesn't protect you from getting the virus.
So, how can they keep the droplets from going out, but not keep them from coming through? I can't find anywhere that explains this.
 
Brick Tamland said:
As I understand it, wearing cloth masks is to prevent people that have the virus and don't know it from spreading to others, but it doesn't protect you from getting the virus.
So, how can they keep the droplets from going out, but not keep them from coming through? I can't find anywhere that explains this.
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The difference is between droplets and aerosols. Mask prevents droplets out but doesn’t prevent aerosols in. Therefore either way isn’t perfect, but much better than nothing.
 
The number of hospitalizations reported in NC increased again to 857, but the daily average number of deaths continues to flatten. I keep saying it would be great to have data on the demographics of those hospitalized, how many people are released each day from the hospital, how many are new patients, and what the average stay is. Also, as I understand these are people admitted with COVID-19 like symptoms, so it doesn't mean they are all positive for the virus. It would be great to know how many of these people actually end up testing positive for the virus.
 
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