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I might listen to some of that video later, but I've already said that if you have a problem for the 2nd time, that what I'd likely try first would be asking for people that are higher risk to shelter in place. Maybe in the case of Georgia, it turns into just extending that "higher risk shelter in place" (though knowing how this virus trends, we might see a real downtrend soon before an uptrend).

That idea does admittedly have some problems though. You might be up in the millions with regular, healthy, people that live with higher risk people. But this path I think is worth a try, as long as it's made clear.
 
Not sure why WRAL's 7 day rolling avg is so off for NC. It's pulling the numbers from NCDHHS...I plotted the raw numbers from there site, graphic below. From WRAL's numbers, which they use NCDHHS stats, NC has had 1400+ positive cases past 3 days. I don't think that's correct.

Looking at the bottom graphic I would think it's going to be tough to sustain numbers below 250 a day with a state population of 10+ million.

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So, you think this is hilarious?? Granted, I think it's quite ironic, but hilarious, not so much. On a side, when this is all said and done, A LOT of people are going to have had the virus.
ANYBODY can social distance whenever they want, if they are out and about. This doesn't need to change whenever the restrictions are slowly lifted. IF you are scared to go out, then stay home.
 
So, you think this is hilarious?? Granted, I think it's quite ironic, but hilarious, not so much. On a side, when this is all said and done, A LOT of people are going to have had the virus.
ANYBODY can social distance whenever they want, if they are out and about. This doesn't need to change whenever the restrictions are slowly lifted. IF you are scared to go out, then stay home.
Please tell that to the 15 folks, 2 of whom started sneezing, who piled on the elevator on the 2nd floor up when I went in to my office from the lobby today to pick up files (yes, I am practicing law from home) ... it is a 2 way street and going forward likely a lot of folks will be going in the wrong lane ... possibly out of an I don't give a poop attitude ... regrettably ...
 
Look, I don't agree with these "open up" protesters and understand why federal/state/local governments acted as they did because elected leaders have to show like they're doing "something" to protect citizens, but... can someone explain why Sweden has had, relatively, so much success fighting this virus without taking anywhere near as drastic actions as we took...

The Predicted Coronavirus Catastrophe Hasn’t Arrived In Sweden. What’s Next?

Population of Sweden is 10 million; roughly the same population as North Carolina. Stockholm is a larger city than both Raleigh and Charlotte. Their hospitals haven't been overrun (far from it) and there is capacity available to tread the sick. I realize hindsight is 20/20 so I'm not criticizing any public official for decisions they made in the public's best interest (which, politics aside, I hope we can agree that's why decisions to 'lock down' were made), but I would also hope that as we see other countries having success at handling this virus by taking different approach that we'd be receptive to adapting our policies accordingly. That's probably naive, but...

People are also overstating the lack of actions Sweden is taking, they have done things like closed schools etc....they also push social distancing.....and have closed a few bars and clubs that were not enforcing the social distancing....so the government is strongly pushing social distancing etc.

Second since you compared them to NC as we have similar populations, NC has around 10k total cases and 330ish deaths, Sweden has over 18k cases and over 2k deaths....which per million is higher than a lot of other countries. The people are also doing a lot of things on their own regardless of the official government policies.....


"Many Swedes support and are complying with the policy, which contrasts with the strict mandatory lockdowns imposed in many EU countries and has been heavily criticised by some scientists. The country’s death toll per million, while far lower than Italy’s and Spain’s, is also many times higher than those of its Nordic neighbours.

Some of the country’s leading medical professors and academics have been fiercely critical of the decision not to follow much of the rest of Europe into strict lockdown, publishing open letters and petitions calling for an urgent change of course and highlighting a death toll which, at 2,194, is three times the per-million tally recorded in Denmark and Germany and more than six times that of Finland.

Linde said Sweden’s relatively high death toll was “certainly not part of the plan” but conceded that the exceptional number of deaths in care homes, which so far account for more than half of all the country’s deaths from the coronavirus, was “one area where we have failed”.

The government passed early binding legislation banning visits to care homes for elderly people, she said, “but still the virus got in and a lot of deaths have occurred. We don’t know why this is – perhaps because some homes did not observe regulations, perhaps because staff’s jobs were not secure so they felt they could not afford to take sick leave … We’re investigating.

There is plenty of evidence that most people are falling in line, she said, citing a 96% fall in reservations at the country’s two most popular domestic holiday destinations after the government repeated its advice to stay at home over the Easter break. "
 
I never said Sweden took no steps to mitigate spread, only that they took a much softer approach. They closed universities, but elementary and secondary schools remained open.

You’re correct Sweden has experienced more deaths, to date, than North Carolina... but, the assumption, is that they’re also a lot closer to achieving herd immunity.

I thought the primary point of the lockdown was to limit the chances that our healthcare system gets overrun and slow the spread. Short of a vaccine, we’re not going to “stop” the spread of the virus (lockdown or not).

Do you believe that all the folks we “saved” by enforcing lock downs will never end up being exposed to and/or contract the virus and die from it? I don’t.

One could argue the faster a population achieves herd immunity the less deaths they’ll see overall as compared to countries where the virus spread occurs, albeit at a slower pace, over a longer period of time. Time will, ultimately, tell which approach proves to be more successful, but I think folks are misguided to simply disparage Sweden’s more pragmatic approach to handling the crisis.
 
Based on the numbers im looking at, shouldnt NC be one of the first states to open up ? 320+ deaths out of 10 million people. NC seems to have fared far better than GA.
 
Based on the numbers im looking at, shouldnt NC be one of the first states to open up ? 320+ deaths out of 10 million people. NC seems to have fared far better than GA.
NC shut down with 1/10th the cases GA did if I remember correctly. I'm not sure about NC's numbers but I know for GA's numbers it's a little early.
 
I never said Sweden took no steps to mitigate spread, only that they took a much softer approach. They closed universities, but elementary and secondary schools remained open.

You’re correct Sweden has experienced more deaths, to date, than North Carolina... but, the assumption, is that they’re also a lot closer to achieving herd immunity.

I thought the primary point of the lockdown was to limit the chances that our healthcare system gets overrun and slow the spread. Short of a vaccine, we’re not going to “stop” the spread of the virus (lockdown or not).

Do you believe that all the folks we “saved” by enforcing lock downs will never end up being exposed to and/or contract the virus and die from it? I don’t.

One could argue the faster a population achieves herd immunity the less deaths they’ll see overall as compared to countries where the virus spread occurs, albeit at a slower pace, over a longer period of time. Time will, ultimately, tell which approach proves to be more successful, but I think folks are misguided to simply disparage Sweden’s more pragmatic approach to handling the crisis.

The problem is the faster it spreads the more likely you are to overwhelm services, even in Sweden they estimate that only as much as 20% of the country has been infected though there is no real way to determine that so it could be higher or lower, but assuming 20% is correct it means they still need 30-40% of the population to get the virus to achieve herd immunity. So they are likely no where close to herd immunity ands it going to take a long time to get there...these figures are also with Sweden using a lot of social distancing and other rules that while not as strict as other places still goes a long way to reducing contact between people. There are people on this forum and certainly in this country that want things to go back to normal immediately and that is foolish....

I would disagree with the second bolded section, the faster this spreads the more people will die period.....the entire point is allowing people to get sick at a rate that allows the hospitals to provide critical care rooms to the 5-10% of the cases that will require that care. Its simple math, the more people that have it the more people that need ventilators and hospital rooms etc...Lombardy in Italy is a prime example, the same with NYC, we are fortunate that those type of situations have been minimal but that is only because of the more extreme methods put in place.....the math does not figure, faster spread equals more death than slower spread period.

Sweden's going to lose more people in their approach than they would if they had gone with stricter measures.....of that I have no doubt.

Its never been about keeping people from getting the virus its been about slowing the spread to something that allows the system to provide critical care to those who need it. It has worked the numbers overall in the US are showing the fruit of those actions IMO.
 
Please tell that to the 15 folks, 2 of whom started sneezing, who piled on the elevator on the 2nd floor up when I went in to my office from the lobby today to pick up files (yes, I am practicing law from home) ... it is a 2 way street and going forward likely a lot of folks will be going in the wrong lane ... possibly out of an I don't give a poop attitude ... regrettably ...
Yeah, I agree, that's a tough situation, no doubt. Unfortunately, there are going to be cases like this. All in all, the social distancing is working and should continue, IMO, wearing face masks, as well. We're not going to be able to stop COVID-19 no matter what we do, but we can sure slow it down, which has been the case.
 
Based on the numbers im looking at, shouldnt NC be one of the first states to open up ? 320+ deaths out of 10 million people. NC seems to have fared far better than GA.
Yes, NC has gotten through this thing pretty well so far, and in theory should be one of the earlier states to “open up”. However, it looks like some other states may be jumping the gun. IMO. To be fair, TX and TN, which are some of the states now starting to open up imminently, has fared even better than NC, though. GA, not so much...
 
Sweden's going to lose more people in their approach than they would if they had gone with stricter measures.....of that I have no doubt.

Its never been about keeping people from getting the virus its been about slowing the spread to something that allows the system to provide critical care to those who need it. It has worked the numbers overall in the US are showing the fruit of those actions IMO.

Sweden's daily per capita deaths are presently the second-lowest among the major European nations, behind only Spain - and what a turnaround the last couple of weeks have been for Spain!

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I got data too....

Confirmed deaths (absolute)Population (in millions)Deaths per million
Belgium 7,09411.42621.08
Spain 23,19046.72496.32
Italy 26,64460.43440.9
France 22,85666.99341.2
United Kingdom 20,73266.49311.81
Netherlands 4,47517.23259.71
Ireland 1,0874.85223.96
Sweden 2,19410.18215.45
Switzerland 1,6108.52189.04
United States 53,846327.17164.58
Portugal 90310.2887.83
Denmark 4225.872.79
Germany 5,97682.9372.06
 
Sweden's going to lose more people in their approach than they would if they had gone with stricter measures.....of that I have no doubt.

You may be right, but saying you have no doubt that the “full lockdown” approach is the absolute only way to reduce overall deaths over the term of the ENTIRE pandemic (until vaccine) is presumptuous at best.

There’s no modern playbook for handling a pandemic... Spanish flu was in the 1910s... hygiene, medicine, and society have changed tremendously in 100 years. Sweden’s healthcare system hasn’t come close to being overwhelmed. Period. NYC is the most highly densely populated city in our country. It’s 25 times more densely populated than Charlotte. Why do we assume that the mitigation approach employed by NYC is the same needed in Charlotte, Raleigh, or Wilson?

I’m not intending to be combative here, genuinely just trying to play devil’s advocate and question why everyone feels like a significant lock down is the only way to combat this virus for every state/county/city. Maybe it is, but I’m just not sure and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with questioning it. As a reminder, two months ago none of us knew anything about how to handle a pandemic, but now everyone is an expert? Come on. I’ll admit I don’t know how this all plays out, but also feel anyone claiming they definitively know that one approach is absolutely the only way forward seems... well... questionable at best.
 
You may be right, but saying you have no doubt that the “full lockdown” approach is the absolute only way to reduce overall deaths over the term of the ENTIRE pandemic (until vaccine) is presumptuous at best.

There’s no modern playbook for handling a pandemic... Spanish flu was in the 1910s... hygiene, medicine, and society have changed tremendously in 100 years. Sweden’s healthcare system hasn’t come close to being overwhelmed. Period. NYC is the most highly densely populated city in our country. It’s 25 times more densely populated than Charlotte. Why do we assume that the mitigation approach employed by NYC is the same needed in Charlotte, Raleigh, or Wilson?

I’m not intending to be combative here, genuinely just trying to play devil’s advocate and question why everyone feels like a significant lock down is the only way to combat this virus for every state/county/city. Maybe it is, but I’m just not sure and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with questioning it. As a reminder, two months ago none of us knew anything about how to handle a pandemic, but now everyone is an expert? Come on. I’ll admit I don’t know how this all plays out, but also feel anyone claiming they definitively know that one approach is absolutely the only way forward seems... well... questionable at best.

Its not debatable IMO, SIP and social distancing work better than any other method.....period full stop.... and its a totally logical thought process as to why. It might not be the best economically etc but when it comes down to saving lives it is better and nothing can logically be argued to suggest that is not the case.

I got no problem with questioning anything but bring data and facts to support it.....there is tons of solid logical reasoning and science to show social distancing works better than any other method when no vaccine is available.
 
NYC is the most highly densely populated city in our country. It’s 25 times more densely populated than Charlotte. Why do we assume that the mitigation approach employed by NYC is the same needed in Charlotte, Raleigh, or Wilson?
To be fair, NC is over 3 times more dense than Sweden. The same argument could be made from both points of view depending on whichever data you choose to focus on.

As a reminder, two months ago none of us knew anything about how to handle a pandemic, but now everyone is an expert?
Oh believe me--we had experts on here 2 months ago. ;)
 
Its not debatable IMO, SIP and social distancing work better than any other method.....period full stop.... and its a totally logical thought process as to why. It might not be the best economically etc but when it comes down to saving lives it is better and nothing can logically be argued to suggest that is not the case.

I got no problem with questioning anything but bring data and facts to support it.....there is tons of solid logical reasoning and science to show social distancing works better than any other method when no vaccine is available.

Let's get real. 50% of the covid-19 deaths came from nursing homes or care facilities. 88% of people who were put on a ventilator died, and people over 65 died 97% of the time. The main form of treatment for covid-19 patients was oxygen tanks, and lacking oxygen was just a symptom of a symptom.

Why is pure oxygen bad for someone with a virus? When I was an EMT the main complaint about oxygen was irritation of upper and lower respiratory tracts due to the dry nature of these devices, which are only made a bit better when you attach a humidifying apparatus. Like I mentioned over a month ago, reasonably hot/warm and humid air must be inhaled by a patient suffering from flu, rhinovirus, or coronavirus in order target the infected location. A fever fails to do the trick cause it targets the body in a general manner. You also drink and inhale hot/warm fluids so you can keep your body warm, increase your heart rate like bats and all mammals do when they need to combat the viral infection, sweat until your drenched, and then rest/sleep for hours so your body has time to recover and cool. Also, sunlight, nutrition, and cool orange help. All of this aid the immune system. It prevents viral replication, eases symptoms so our over-active immune systems don't do more harm than good, and gives people more time to develop the correct antibodies.

Those elderly patients never had a chance. What hospitals needed to do was crank up the heat and humidify the air in the building. Open windows for sunlight, and allow air to heat or humidify the room if those conditions are present. This probably could have reduced the spread of the virus from patient-to-patient or patient to doctor. As a consequence of not taking these measures, you have old people dying in cool, dry long-term care facilities, because the AC is just drying out their already parched body. The difference between kids/adults and geriatrics is 33% less body water content. Why are kidney suddenly a new symptom? Cause fat and old people lose the ability to reabsorb water with increased fatness and age. Take my word for it.

Everything that's happened so far makes complete sense. This is just like the flu, except people don't have a vaccine. Welcome to my world. Yeah of course distancing works. I've practicing it for decades. Then when the bullet-proof vaccine solution wasn't available, the world S### themselves. Studies exist indicating there is a way to cure viruses like the flu and corona by attacking the targeted transmission area with a biologic without increasing cytotoxins, or at the very least, make people tolerant of the symptoms similar to the new HIV biologics. This should have been a priority of the medical community, but they just didn't pursue it. So other countries did. China, Germany, and South Korea.

Anyway, I digress. I'm putting an end to this economy thing. Do you think there are not grave consequences to blown up economy? People have been born or lived in times just like the one we are entering. They become nihilistic and extreme. This shutdown is exactly the type of event that can spark wars between nations and people. People don't have jobs or money, and they can't afford essential items and necessities for their children. This is where all those horrifying stories in history begins.

Let's see where we are now. Recently, LA just reported that the food supply has been cut-off, and they're worried that the homeless will starve to death. LA cops are finding dead homeless people Portland just saw 20% uptick in suicides despite crime generally taking a nosedive since lockdown. The number of calls and texts to 211 and other suicide hotlines are up by 300% to 1000%. The blue collar areas in Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, Texas, Ohio etc. are experiencing an upticks in mass murders of family members, and the cities are climbing back to record territory (Philly, Chicago). People have lost hope, and they no longer have anything to live for. There's about to be millions of homeless people in blue states and blue areas. Not only cause people are losing their jobs, but also cause upper and middle class people aren't around to give them money or food. The Miami mayor touts no murders in seven weeks while he rounds up all the homeless people into camps. He ain't the only one.

Home invasions are up pretty much everywhere. In Jacksonville, FL, it's up 109% with the murders up 19%. A week ago, a father and daughter were shot during a home invasion in Austin, Texas.

Worst off, the stories of domestic violence are becoming more prevalent and horrendously more violent. Yesterday, a San Antonio woman killed her two children and mother, and then shot herself. Four days ago, a Wisconsin man shot five members of his family ranging from 14-43, and turned the gun on himself. On March 31, a doctor and her husband was shot by their daughter's boyfriend, cause the the latter couple was upset that the doctor wanted them to practice social distancing. Multiple reports around the country now of Police finding bodies in abandoned cars, forests, and apartments.

In the last 72 hours, over 300 murders and suicides have been reported. Overdose deaths are up an average of 25 to 40 percent in counties and states with the most up-to-date numbers, which means an extra 17-28,000 people. Check out this picture of a couple dead of an overdose on a MTA subway train that was shared to social media.

I'll take it a bit closer to home for you. Greenville County, NC with a 150% increase in overdoses since this time last year. Dozens of stories of men and women, black and white, dying from overdoses.

Take a good look at the economy. No it's "not great." It's a -------- disaster and we'll be lucky to avoid a major war or a long depression. Memorial Day is coming up. A lot of businesses in your area make their fortunes on that one day. If they go down, then there won't be any jobs. That'll be a huge carve-out of the middle class in the Carolinas.
 
Let's get real. 50% of the covid-19 deaths came from nursing homes or care facilities. 88% of people who were put on a ventilator died, and people over 65 died 97% of the time. The main form of treatment for covid-19 patients was oxygen tanks, and lacking oxygen was just a symptom of a symptom.

Why is pure oxygen bad for someone with a virus? When I was an EMT the main complaint about oxygen was irritation of upper and lower respiratory tracts due to the dry nature of these devices, which are only made a bit better when you attach a humidifying apparatus. Like I mentioned over a month ago, reasonably hot/warm and humid air must be inhaled by a patient suffering from flu, rhinovirus, or coronavirus in order target the infected location. A fever fails to do the trick cause it targets the body in a general manner. You also drink and inhale hot/warm fluids so you can keep your body warm, increase your heart rate like bats and all mammals do when they need to combat the viral infection, sweat until your drenched, and then rest/sleep for hours so your body has time to recover and cool. Also, sunlight, nutrition, and cool orange help. All of this aid the immune system. It prevents viral replication, eases symptoms so our over-active immune systems don't do more harm than good, and gives people more time to develop the correct antibodies.

Those elderly patients never had a chance. What hospitals needed to do was crank up the heat and humidify the air in the building. Open windows for sunlight, and allow air to heat or humidify the room if those conditions are present. This probably could have reduced the spread of the virus from patient-to-patient or patient to doctor. As a consequence of not taking these measures, you have old people dying in cool, dry long-term care facilities, because the AC is just drying out their already parched body. The difference between kids/adults and geriatrics is 33% less body water content. Why are kidney suddenly a new symptom? Cause fat and old people lose the ability to reabsorb water with increased fatness and age. Take my word for it.

Everything that's happened so far makes complete sense. This is just like the flu, except people don't have a vaccine. Welcome to my world. Yeah of course distancing works. I've practicing it for decades. Then when the bullet-proof vaccine solution wasn't available, the world S### themselves. Studies exist indicating there is a way to cure viruses like the flu and corona by attacking the targeted transmission area with a biologic without increasing cytotoxins, or at the very least, make people tolerant of the symptoms similar to the new HIV biologics. This should have been a priority of the medical community, but they just didn't pursue it. So other countries did. China, Germany, and South Korea.

Anyway, I digress. I'm putting an end to this economy thing. Do you think there are not grave consequences to blown up economy? People have been born or lived in times just like the one we are entering. They become nihilistic and extreme. This shutdown is exactly the type of event that can spark wars between nations and people. People don't have jobs or money, and they can't afford essential items and necessities for their children. This is where all those horrifying stories in history begins.

Let's see where we are now. Recently, LA just reported that the food supply has been cut-off, and they're worried that the homeless will starve to death. LA cops are finding dead homeless people Portland just saw 20% uptick in suicides despite crime generally taking a nosedive since lockdown. The number of calls and texts to 211 and other suicide hotlines are up by 300% to 1000%. The blue collar areas in Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, Texas, Ohio etc. are experiencing an upticks in mass murders of family members, and the cities are climbing back to record territory (Philly, Chicago). People have lost hope, and they no longer have anything to live for. There's about to be millions of homeless people in blue states and blue areas. Not only cause people are losing their jobs, but also cause upper and middle class people aren't around to give them money or food. The Miami mayor touts no murders in seven weeks while he rounds up all the homeless people into camps. He ain't the only one.

Home invasions are up pretty much everywhere. In Jacksonville, FL, it's up 109% with the murders up 19%. A week ago, a father and daughter were shot during a home invasion in Austin, Texas.

Worst off, the stories of domestic violence are becoming more prevalent and horrendously more violent. Yesterday, a San Antonio woman killed her two children and mother, and then shot herself. Four days ago, a Wisconsin man shot five members of his family ranging from 14-43, and turned the gun on himself. On March 31, a doctor and her husband was shot by their daughter's boyfriend, cause the the latter couple was upset that the doctor wanted them to practice social distancing. Multiple reports around the country now of Police finding bodies in abandoned cars, forests, and apartments.

In the last 72 hours, over 300 murders and suicides have been reported. Overdose deaths are up an average of 25 to 40 percent in counties and states with the most up-to-date numbers, which means an extra 17-28,000 people. Check out this picture of a couple dead of an overdose on a MTA subway train that was shared to social media.

I'll take it a bit closer to home for you. Greenville County, NC with a 150% increase in overdoses since this time last year. Dozens of stories of men and women, black and white, dying from overdoses.

Take a good look at the economy. No it's "not great." It's a poop disaster and we'll be lucky to avoid a major war or a long depression. Memorial Day is coming up. A lot of businesses in your area make their fortunes on that one day. If they go down, then there won't be any jobs. That'll be a huge carve-out of the middle class in the Carolinas.

Are you implying overdoses are up.because of covid?
 
Are you implying overdoses are up.because of covid?

The sheriffs, police chiefs, and attorney generals in all those counties and cities have affirmed it. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, West New York, Ohio, NC, SC, and Minnesota officials have also corroborated that claim, in addition to the high volume of suicide, domestic violence and homicide calls. These are natural consequences of people losing their job. Drug treatment centers, homeless shelters, and suicide prevention centers are providing limited assistance or none at all. There aren't any therapist, AA meetings, or group sessions.
 
Its not debatable IMO, SIP and social distancing work better than any other method.....period full stop.... and its a totally logical thought process as to why. It might not be the best economically etc but when it comes down to saving lives it is better and nothing can logically be argued to suggest that is not the case.

I got no problem with questioning anything but bring data and facts to support it.....there is tons of solid logical reasoning and science to show social distancing works better than any other method when no vaccine is available.

Just to be clear, I'm questioning the effectiveness of lock downs -- not social/physical distancing. The two approaches are different, though can be used in combination.

South Korea has had no SIP/lock down order and yet is routinely lauded by the press and politicians for their approach. Granted, their approach has been vastly different from Sweden (and the US), but again, you assert that "SIP and social distancing work better than any other method... period full stop".

A quick google search finds an article from the very same publication you referenced earlier (The Guardian) questioning whether a lock down/SIP order versus attempting to achieve herd immunity using Sweden's approach is the best strategy to confront the pandemic. The article states there is yet any hard evidence to support which approach is "correct" at this time, which is the point I've been trying to make here.

Which is the best option, lockdown or herd immunity? We're about to find out

I'm glad you're so certain of the correct approach less than 60 days into this crisis. I'll admit it may be proved to be the best approach, but I'm far from convinced at this time. Ideally, we'll revisit in 18 months once, hopefully, we have a vaccine and the postmortem regarding the effectiveness of various countries' approach to handling the pandemic is fully known. Stay well!
 
The sheriffs, police chiefs, and attorney generals in all those counties and cities have affirmed it. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, West New York, Ohio, NC, SC, and Minnesota officials have also corroborated that claim, in addition to the high volume of suicide, domestic violence and homicide calls. These are natural consequences of people losing their job. Drug treatment centers, homeless shelters, and suicide prevention centers are providing limited assistance or none at all. There aren't any therapist, AA meetings, or group sessions.

Ok so yall know me and downeastnc are brothers. You posted about Greenville county ( its really Pitt county) and a 150% increase in ODs.

The problem is the WNCT report you linked was from AUGUST 2ND 2019. Thenlady in the article whos son died happened to have died in MARCH 2019.

Do better on sourcing please.
 
Just a model from one university but it states it blends multiple models showing the same situation.

This is one model of many as the article states, "When asked about the model projecting a summer surge Kemp said his teams don’t rely on a single model, but many." The engineer also indicated that the model is pure speculation that relies on people throwing caution to the wind by not practicing the social distancing and safety rules that were practiced during the lockdown. Basically like Covid-19 never happened. This model is worth as much as the 15 day guidance on the GooFuS.
 
I mean, isn’t there likely to be some form of second wave everywhere?
Yes but from the sounds of it, it could be more severe if all restrictions are lifted especially too quickly? The article says GA could be in the millions by the end of summer and have around 20K deaths if we lift every restriction. Maybe that's worst case, but even arguing less of that extreme still puts us at a higher risk of peaking higher in the next round.
 
This is one model of many as the article states, "When asked about the model projecting a summer surge Kemp said his teams don’t rely on a single model, but many." The engineer also stated that the model is pure speculation that relies on people throwing caution to the wind by not practicing the social distancing and safety rules that were practiced during the lockdown. This model is worth as much as the 15 day guidance on the GooFuS.
That's why I said just a model. However people need to remain social distancing in public if we want the next peak to be far lower.
 
Yes but from the sounds of it, it could be more severe if all restrictions are lifted especially too quickly? The article says GA could be in the millions by the end of summer and have around 20K deaths if we lift every restriction. Maybe that's worst case, but even arguing less of that extreme still puts us at a higher risk of peaking higher in the next round.

That's not what he's saying. The article is taking some liberties. He's predicting that things will get real bad if people go hug and kiss grandma and grandpa.
 
Based on the numbers im looking at, shouldnt NC be one of the first states to open up ? 320+ deaths out of 10 million people. NC seems to have fared far better than GA.

NC is also isn't testing, so don't believe our numbers.

NCDHHS

Particularly this exert

For people with mild symptoms who don’t need medical care, getting a test will not change what you or your doctor do. Testing is most important for people who are seriously ill, in the hospital, people in high-risk settings like nursing homes or long-term care facilities, and healthcare workers and other first responders who are caring for those with COVID-19.

IE, if you're not one of these, we don't really care if you have it.

and this exert also

NCDHHS is working closely with local health departments, the State Laboratory for Public Health and health care providers to provide ongoing guidance for when testing is appropriate.

Again, We don't really want to know.

But, enough conjecture here are their requirements to get tested.

Only those who meet the following criteria should ask their doctor or local health department about being tested for COVID-19:

  1. Have fever or lower respiratory symptoms (cough, shortness of breath) and close contact with a confirmed COVID-19 case within the past 14 days; OR
  2. Have fever and lower respiratory symptoms (cough, shortness of breath) and a negative rapid flu test

So any numbers you see from NC are a joke. NC DHHS doesn't even have a clue where this state is regarding Covid-19. The governor has his "requirements" for opening the state back up, but really these requirements are nonsense. It's a giant smoke screen to give the impression that NC is "On top of it".

This Rant comes from a personal level. Saturday I woke with a soar throat, and by the afternoon I had Shortness of Breath. I'm winded like i just smoked 4 cigarettes and then walked up a few flights of stairs. No Fever. Probably just a cold or one of the other 100,000 viruses that infect humans. By monday Symptoms haven't gotten better. Started looking around to see what my course of actions were. Here's what happened:

Primary care has closed its office to in person appointments, and tells you if you have any symptoms to call Novant Hospital. DON'T COME HERE
Novant Says: Stay Home unless you need Emergency Care.
State DHHS says. No Test For You.

So, take any NC numbers and toss them. They are worthless. While GA may be opening up too quick, you know it's numbers are probably closer to reality than NC due to the availability of Testing.
 
NC is also isn't testing, so don't believe our numbers.

NCDHHS

Particularly this exert



IE, if you're not one of these, we don't really care if you have it.

and this exert also



Again, We don't really want to know.

But, enough conjecture here are their requirements to get tested.



So any numbers you see from NC are a joke. NC DHHS doesn't even have a clue where this state is regarding Covid-19. The governor has his "requirements" for opening the state back up, but really these requirements are nonsense. It's a giant smoke screen to give the impression that NC is "On top of it".

This Rant comes from a personal level. Saturday I woke with a soar throat, and by the afternoon I had Shortness of Breath. I'm winded like i just smoked 4 cigarettes and then walked up a few flights of stairs. No Fever. Probably just a cold or one of the other 100,000 viruses that infect humans. By monday Symptoms haven't gotten better. Started looking around to see what my course of actions were. Here's what happened:

Primary care has closed its office to in person appointments, and tells you if you have any symptoms to call Novant Hospital. DON'T COME HERE
Novant Says: Stay Home unless you need Emergency Care.
State DHHS says. No Test For You.

So, take any NC numbers and toss them. They are worthless. While GA may be opening up too quick, you know it's numbers are probably closer to reality than NC due to the availability of Testing.

Same here. I'm having what I would bet are severe allergies lastnight and today with a slight cough. In no way do I think I have it. No fever, aches or any symptoms others than a slightly stuffy nose and a random cough.

Why would I want to be tested? My wife works at an assisted living complex and if i have it would be crucial for her to know that.

This entire pandemic has been handled like a Bush league no nothings are in charge.

I mean we haveall these health agencies that finally had their time to shine and they are about as bright as a burned out neon light.
 
Same here. I'm having what I would bet are severe allergies lastnight and today with a slight cough. In no way do I think I have it. No fever, aches or any symptoms others than a slightly stuffy nose and a random cough.

Why would I want to be tested? My wife works at an assisted living complex and if i have it would be crucial for her to know that.

This entire pandemic has been handled like a Bush league no nothings are in charge.

I mean we haveall these health agencies that finally had their time to shine and they are about as bright as a burned out neon light.

Do you have itchy eyes?
 
Do you have itchy eyes?

Not too bad. Theres some kind of flowering tree. A Japanese somethinor other. It smells great and people use them for ornamental trees but they are my nemesis. Tear me down every year when they bloom. Usually isnt until a little later in May but they're early this year.
 
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