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Windergawx said:
If they actually tested everyone with symptoms, I think it's a safe bet it's already in communities nation wide. Not saying this is deadly or not to much disinformation to say anything for sure. But when it's in our door steps we will find out
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It's become apparent that not all of the testing is catching it. Doctors misdiagnosing things as the flu, sinus infections.. lots of people go to the cheaper quick medical services that don't want to run the tests or even have them on hand.
Then if we already have mutations, the rapid tests might miss it all together..

It's kind of a screwed situation. I think we can safely assume that China has not been 100% honest, and there are other governments also not being 100% honest withe the predicted infection numbers. They've sent death vans/mobile crematoriams in parts of China already to deal with it..

I'm not sure we'll even know the true numbers.
 
snowlover91 said:
But how many of those cases in warmer areas were from people who traveled into areas that were much cooler when they initially contracted the coronavirus? If they contracted it several weeks ago in a cooler region but their home country is a warmer region it doesn’t necessarily mean the warmth is or isn’t hindering it imo. It supposedly has a 14 day incubation period where people can be contagious and not know it so cases popping up in warmer regions of the map don’t necessarily mean they contracted it there but that the symptoms began to surface when in said country.
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Many of those cases were but to assume most or all of them lack human-human transmission is a bit of a reach especially without hard evidence & figures to back that up, I'm pretty skeptical. The increasing number cases in the Maritime Continent and other areas of the tropics also shows that CoV-19 is more than capable of surviving in a warm/wet climate. The virus does not have an average 14 day incubation period, the CDC reports this is more like 2-6 days with some high outliers exceeding 14-27 days (& some of these are believed to be reinfections). The overwhelming majority of people will experience symptoms within several days of transmission of CoV-19.
 
How can the us be so far behind the ball with testing? Cdc sending out bad tests to states. States having to ask the fda for permission to create pad test. Real or not the world isn't ready. Hopefully this will be a learning lesson rather than doom
 
Windergawx said:
If they actually tested everyone with symptoms, I think it's a safe bet it's already in communities nation wide. Not saying this is deadly or not to much disinformation to say anything for sure. But when it's in our door steps we will find out
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Given the incubation period and time it takes to verify test results once individuals are actually screened for CoV-19, plus there's a small lag in actually reporting & verifying those cases, the current figures we see regarding CoV-19 will lag behind roughly 1.5-2 weeks (ish) vs reality, so CoV-19 is almost certainly a lot closer than it currently seems to being widespread in the CONUS.
 
Webberweather53 said:
"The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.” 2/24/20

Rush Limbaugh is an idiot.
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I also find it ironic he of all people would come out & say something so short-sighted like this considering he's one of the individuals most at risk from suffering the most via CoV-19 given his age (69 yrs old) & pre-existing medical conditions (lung cancer).
 
Webberweather53 said:
Many of those cases were but to assume most or all of them lack human-human transmission is a bit of a reach especially without hard evidence & figures to back that up, I'm pretty skeptical. The increasing number cases in the Maritime Continent and other areas of the tropics also shows that CoV-19 is more than capable of surviving in a warm/wet climate. The virus does not have an average 14 day incubation period, the CDC reports this is more like 2-6 days with some high outliers exceeding 14-27 days (& some of these are believed to be reinfections). The overwhelming majority of people will experience symptoms within several days of transmission of CoV-19.
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Yeah I'm just saying we don't know where the people in those warmer climates caught it especially when looking at a map like that. They could have caught it locally via HTH transmission or it could be with globalization/ease of travel issue where these cases popping up in warmer climates are simply from people who had been traveling in recent days and caught it elsewhere but did not yet display symptoms. We simply can't use a map and say definitively if the spreading into warmer climates is via HTH in those regions or from people who traveled to other areas, one would have to make an assumption since the map doesn't convey that information.

I didn't say it had a 14 day average incubation period, I said it has a 14 day incubation period which is within the upper range of official estimates from various organizations. "2-14 days represents the current official estimated range for the novel coronavirus COVID-19." Link

Here is further summaries from other organizations:
"The incubation period (time from exposure to the development of symptoms) of the virus is estimated to be between 2 and 14 days based on the following sources:
  • The World Health Organization (WHO) reported an incubation period for 2019-nCoV between 2 and 10 days. [1]
  • China’s National Health Commission (NHC) had initially estimated an incubation period from 10 to 14 days [2].
  • The United States' CDC estimates the incubation period for 2019-nCoV to be between 2 and 14 days [3].
  • DXY.cn, a leading Chinese online community for physicians and health care professionals, is reporting an incubation period of "3 to 7 days, up to 14 days."
Finally, "The incubation period of the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, is considered to be 14 days. Health authorities across countries are adopting a 14-day quarantine period, based on the World Health Organization guidelines." Source
 
snowlover91 said:
Yeah I'm just saying we don't know where the people in those warmer climates caught it especially when looking at a map like that. They could have caught it locally via HTH transmission or it could be with globalization/ease of travel issue where these cases popping up in warmer climates are simply from people who had been traveling in recent days and caught it elsewhere but did not yet display symptoms.

I didn't say it had a 14 day average incubation period, I said it has a 14 day incubation period which is within the upper range of official estimates from various organizations. "2-14 days represents the current official estimated range for the novel coronavirus COVID-19." Link

Here is further summaries from other organizations:
"The incubation period (time from exposure to the development of symptoms) of the virus is estimated to be between 2 and 14 days based on the following sources:
  • The World Health Organization (WHO) reported an incubation period for 2019-nCoV between 2 and 10 days. [1]
  • China’s National Health Commission (NHC) had initially estimated an incubation period from 10 to 14 days [2].
  • The United States' CDC estimates the incubation period for 2019-nCoV to be between 2 and 14 days [3].
  • DXY.cn, a leading Chinese online community for physicians and health care professionals, is reporting an incubation period of "3 to 7 days, up to 14 days."
Finally, "The incubation period of the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, is considered to be 14 days. Health authorities across countries are adopting a 14-day quarantine period, based on the World Health Organization guidelines." Source
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Regardless of how they got it, the sharp increase in the number of cases there definitely showcases that CoV-19 is easily capable of surviving or perhaps even thriving in a warm/wet climate, that's really the whole crux of my argument here. I'd like to see actual figures on the proportion of external vs in-situ derived CoV-19 cases south of China before immediately jumping to conclusions like this, the number of cases initially will be weighted externally but that will change over time as it spreads from person to person. You never said that but you certainly implied that was the standard or "normal" by saying outright that it has a 14 day incubation period without giving a valid range of dates. I really don't feel like arguing with you today...
 
I'll be honest - I feel like some of this is overblown by the media. Now... I'm not a MAGA supporter so I still have faith in journalism. But I do want to acknowledge there's a lot of fear-mongering out there. People freaked out about swine flu back in 2009 and it turned out to be fine. You really only need to worry about CoV-19 if you're old or very young. The number of cases will level out eventually... as it always do.
 
GaWx said:
I think Rush is saying this to try to help prop up the stock market to help his buddy, Trump.
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Like most things, this has become politicized. One side is saying “Panic!” The other side is saying “Relax”.

Truth probably lies some where in between.
 
Webberweather53 said:
Regardless of how they got it, the sharp increase in the number of cases there definitely showcases that CoV-19 is easily capable of surviving or perhaps even thriving in a warm/wet climate, that's really the whole crux of my argument here. I'd like to see actual figures on the proportion of external vs in-situ derived CoV-19 cases south of China before immediately jumping to conclusions like this, the number of cases initially will be weighted externally but that will change over time as it spreads from person to person. You never said that but you certainly implied that was the standard or "normal" by saying outright that it has a 14 day incubation period without giving a valid range of dates. I really don't feel like arguing with you today...
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It remains to be seen how it does in a warm climate regarding HTH transmission and survival on various surfaces, I don't think we have enough data right now to definitively say one way or another how the HTH aspect is affected in warmer climates.

Yes I said a 14 day incubation period, this is considered the standard protocol as noted here when considering quarantines and the general incubation period of highest probability for transmission, "The incubation period of the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, is considered to be 14 days. Health authorities across countries are adopting a 14-day quarantine period, based on the World Health Organization guidelines." If you have an issue with the 14 day quarantine period and incubation period referenced then take it up with the WHO and other organizations.
 
WxBlue said:
I'll be honest - I feel like some of this is overblown by the media. Now... I'm not a MAGA supporter so I still have faith in journalism. But I do want to acknowledge there's a lot of fear-mongering out there. People freaked out about swine flu back in 2009 and it turned out to be fine. You really only need to worry about CoV-19 if you're old or very young. The number of cases will level out eventually... as it always do.
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They had me freaked out in 2009 and they have had months to hype this one. One of the reasons why I take everything said about the hype with a ton of salt. Now the incoming panic bothers me as I’ve said in the past.
 
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