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EmersonGA said:
I may be wrong but I recall the stimulus check that we got back in the recession coming fairly quickly.
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Maybe you’re right . I don’t remember that . I just have a hard time believing anyone receives a check before April


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EmersonGA said:
I may be wrong but I recall the stimulus check that we got back in the recession coming fairly quickly.
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How did that work? Did the government just send checks out to everyone based on how many people you have in the family, or was there some type of form to fill out and then the checks were sent?
 
Gonna try unemployment route today and try to get ahead of the game after NC gov reduced restrictions
 
One of our local restaurants Arnold’s has announced they will shutdown today only. And do drive through. But if they do not make the 3,000 needed to pay employees. Then Arnold’s will open there dining room back up on Friday so they can make enough money so they don’t go bankrupt. He said he has no idea what will happen if he opens up going against states law.


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Jessy89 said:
One of our local restaurants Arnold’s has announced they will shutdown today only. And do drive through. But if they do not make the 3,000 needed to pay employees. Then Arnold’s will open there dining room back up on Friday so they can make enough money so they don’t go bankrupt. He said he has no idea what will happen if he opens up going against states law.


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The health department can shut down restaurants that don't follow the rules when times are normal, they will have no problem doing during a pandemic.
 
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Gary durkee of Arnold’s before he posted a video.


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Take his dirty laundry out of this thread please. Let the health department shut them down even longer than the pandemic and maybe someone will sue the small business if a customer gets sick or cause a community uptick.
 
Iceagewhereartthou said:
Well we had 60,000 to 80,000 deaths from the potent outbreak of 17/18 and nothing was done, so apparently a lot. I suppose this has the potential to be worse but that was a lot of death! :(
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Iceage I get it. Maybe we should be more aware of how deadly previous outbreaks are, and we should look into that after everything is over. We disagree on if a shutdown or not is the better solution, but I respect your point.
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India accepts millions of deaths due to diseases every year and carries on with progress toward a prosperous society. We should be able to absorb 5% casualties before we sacrifice all to try and stop it. It won’t even get close to that number though. The virus is far more survivable than TB or Malaria.
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Up to 5% losses, is 1 in 20 people. Wow.

Thankfully that's way above what even the most dire predictions are..
 
Would normally put this in stock market thread but seems more relevant here.

“Mr. President, the only answer is to shut down the country for the next 30 days and close the borders. Tell all Americans that you are putting us on an extended Spring Break at home with family,” Ackman wrote on Twitter.

www.cnbc.com

Investor Bill Ackman advises Trump to shut down the country, saying stock market 'will soar'

Longtime hedge fund manager Bill Ackman advised President Donald Trump on efforts to protect Americans and the U.S. economy.
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“The moment you send everyone home for Spring Break and close the borders, the infection rate will plummet, the stock market will soar, and the clouds will lift,” he added.

The investor warned that further delays to such a “Spring Break” hiatus would continue to have disastrous costs to human life and pressed Trump to “please send everyone home now.”
 
I think it's safe to say we are witnessing a truly historical event unfolding. There's real anxiety about economic and human impacts. It's right to be concerned. We may be about to experience trying times neither of us have seen in our lifetimes.

We all need to acknowledge that, and keep calm. Panicking and ignoring the problem is (I believe) two different extremes. Rational and clear headed thinking is the mean between those extremes.

Don't forget that America does its best when our backs are against the wall, or facing extreme adversity. We have a history of innovating and pivoting in response to huge obstacles, and I see no reason to believe this time will be different.
 
Nerman said:
Would normally put this in stock market thread but seems more relevant here.

“Mr. President, the only answer is to shut down the country for the next 30 days and close the borders. Tell all Americans that you are putting us on an extended Spring Break at home with family,” Ackman wrote on Twitter.

www.cnbc.com

Investor Bill Ackman advises Trump to shut down the country, saying stock market 'will soar'

Longtime hedge fund manager Bill Ackman advised President Donald Trump on efforts to protect Americans and the U.S. economy.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

“The moment you send everyone home for Spring Break and close the borders, the infection rate will plummet, the stock market will soar, and the clouds will lift,” he added.

The investor warned that further delays to such a “Spring Break” hiatus would continue to have disastrous costs to human life and pressed Trump to “please send everyone home now.”
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I understand but to me that would only make rich get richer and small businesses go under. If no one has any money to spend how can things be bought when things do open up. People will be trying to catch up paying their bills.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
I think it's safe to say we are witnessing a truly historical event unfolding. There's real anxiety about economic and human impacts. It's right to be concerned. We may be about to experience trying times neither of us have seen in our lifetimes.

We all need to acknowledge that, and keep calm. Panicking and ignoring the problem is (I believe) two different extremes. Rational and clear headed thinking is the mean between those extremes.

Don't forget that America does its best when our backs are against the wall, or facing extreme adversity. We have a history of innovating and pivoting in response to huge obstacles, and I see no reason to believe this time will be different.
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Part of the problem is most of us have had an easy go of it. The biggest previous shock event in my life was 9/11 and the next big thing was the 2008 and on Great Recession. We haven’t had the massive changing events such as the 2004 or 2011 Tsunamis or the Haitian earthquake. We also haven’t had to deal with the World Wars, Great Depression, Cold War or Cuban Missile Crisis. Most of us have been spoiled and haven’t had to face what life is actually like on this fallen earth.
 
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snowlover91 said:
Didn't you say the other day about the border closing to Canada and then the final step was a national lockdown?
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Yes and the lockdown is going to happen if states don’t shut down everything. Right now most small towns are doing business. He said by Friday or Sunday it will take affect from what he was told in briefings.
 
New England Journal of Medicine and National Institute of Health

The virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is stable for several hours to days in aerosols and on surfaces, according to a new study from National Institutes of Health, CDC, UCLA and Princeton University scientists in The New England Journal of Medicine. The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. The results provide key information about the stability of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19 disease, and suggests that people may acquire the virus through the air and after touching contaminated objects.

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New coronavirus stable for hours on surfaces

SARS-CoV-2 stability similar to original SARS virus.
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Arcc said:
Part of the problem is most of us have had an easy go of it. The biggest previous shock event in my life was 9/11 and the next big thing was the 2008 and on Great Recession. We haven’t had the massive changing events such as the 2004 or 2011 Tsunamis or the Haitian earthquake. We also haven’t had to deal with the World Wars, Great Depression, Cold War or Cuban Missile Crisis. Most of us have been spoiled and haven’t had to face what life is actually life on this fallen earth.
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Well said and agreed. Besides 9/11, a lot of us really haven't experienced a true shock event like previous generations did.

I think back to just after Pearl Harbor was bombed and what people must have been thinking. How are we going to fight a 2 front war after part of the navy was trashed and Japan is advancing? How do we manufacture all those planes needed? How do we do that if all the workers are soldiers? How do we defeat Germany if the only strong ally in Europe left is the UK? How do we develop an atomic weapon in time before the enemy does?

We did all those things and more. Because we had to. Simple as that.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Well said and agreed. Besides 9/11, a lot of us really haven't experienced a true shock event like previous generations did.

I think back to just after Pearl Harbor was bombed and what people must have been thinking. How are we going to fight a 2 front war after part of the navy was trashed and Japan is advancing? How do we manufacture all those planes needed? How do we do that if all the workers are soldiers? How do we defeat Germany if the only strong ally in Europe left is the UK? How do we develop an atomic weapon in time before the enemy does?

We did all those things and more. Because we had to... how do I feed, clothe and shelter my family if I don’t have a job???? Rioting will be prevalent before you are 2 weeks into the shut down.
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YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Well said and agreed. Besides 9/11, a lot of us really haven't experienced a true shock event like previous generations did.

I think back to just after Pearl Harbor was bombed and what people must have been thinking. How are we going to fight a 2 front war after part of the navy was trashed and Japan is advancing? How do we manufacture all those planes needed? How do we do that if all the workers are soldiers? How do we defeat Germany if the only strong ally in Europe left is the UK? How do we develop an atomic weapon in time before the enemy does?

We did all those things and more. Because we had to. Simple as that.
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Absolutely. I remember the feeling in the pit of my stomach at 13 years old after 9/11 and the first cruise missiles hits on Baghdad. Looking back how silly that was and as you said that couldn’t even compare with knowing you are just about to go to war with the best fighting machine(Germany) the world has ever seen and perhaps the best Navy(Japan).

We are so short sighted.
 
How low will the Dow Jones go before this is over? Under 20,000 at the moment


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YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
I think it's safe to say we are witnessing a truly historical event unfolding. There's real anxiety about economic and human impacts. It's right to be concerned. We may be about to experience trying times neither of us have seen in our lifetimes.

We all need to acknowledge that, and keep calm. Panicking and ignoring the problem is (I believe) two different extremes. Rational and clear headed thinking is the mean between those extremes.

Don't forget that America does its best when our backs are against the wall, or facing extreme adversity. We have a history of innovating and pivoting in response to huge obstacles, and I see no reason to believe this time will be different.
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If people just understood what to do, most of this wouldn't be AS big an issue. Since I got locked out of this thread 1 time already I just wont respond to anybody that doesn't want to hear what I say which is fine. Staying in is smart. Not panicking is smart. Looking at the big picture in a positive light is smart. Any guys and girls on here who served know exactly what I am saying. You can only control what you do and that's it. Lots of people obviously don't trust government to handle this. Well they had better on this one because these closures are warranted due to the fact that some people (mainly young people) just don't get it. They don't understand or have patience for some reason. I know there are a lot of young people here. If you are doing the right things that's great. Not trying to single anybody out because they aren't the only ones but you made a very good point. Some americans just haven't experienced anything of this magnitude in their lifetime. We are going to get through it fine. I just hope as a silver lining that people learn from this and use the experience in the future to guide them.....
 
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