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I agree that the bubble for a national lock down is quickly passing.....they will lose the momentum if it doesn't happen quickly. They may simply leave it to each state, which although politically is savvy, may not be the best tool for flattening a curve--see Florida.
 
metwannabe said:
Keep in mind that a total shutdown has thousands of moving parts, it's not as easy as "Ok we're on lock-down, shelter in place". The military, states, national guard, local LEO's, emergency managements, etc etc have to be given lead time to prepare. Obviously any lock-down doesn't send everyone home. First Responders will never get sent home, you can't have anarchy
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I prob shouldn’t reveal this but my friend in trooper school was released to go home. That never happens. He withheld a lot of information from me but a few things he told me...well everyone should just prepare for a slow transition is all I’m gonna say.
 
I liked the question about issues of getting test kits and Atlanta was mentioned. Hopefully more testing will happen soon because with a city the size of Atlanta and the surrounding metro counties, I can’t buy the number of positive cases Georgia is reporting. Our bars and restaurants remain open.
 
I have also been told by good friend in Canada connected to govt this.
Reason rhetoric between China and US is picking up and both countries asking others to leave is this.
a second wave is now affecting China but they are not testing them to cover and save their economy.
 
Arcc said:
I read elsewhere that they had an older lady(98)die in that assisted living facility in LA.
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They die everyday in assisted living. They go there to die, peacefully and with pain meds if needed. If we are shutting down to keep very old people alive, it is folly.
 
weatherfide said:
They die everyday in assisted living. They go there to die, peacefully and with pain meds if needed. If we are shutting down to keep very old people alive, it is folly.
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Guessing you dont have many elderly family members. What you're saying is screw other peoples parents and grandparents.
 
Matthew70 said:
I have also been told by good friend in Canada connected to govt this.
Reason rhetoric between China and US is picking up and both countries asking others to leave is this.
a second wave is now affecting China but they are not testing them to cover and save their economy.
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Interesting. If so, China will be the only major country with economic stability and growth. They will have won the world. If we continue down the shut-down path, we are going to be ruined and the country will splinter into factions. The death rate from the civil wars will far surpass anything Corona could have thrown at us.
 
Jessy89 said:
One of our local restaurants Arnold’s has announced they will shutdown today only. And do drive through. But if they do not make the 3,000 needed to pay employees. Then Arnold’s will open there dining room back up on Friday so they can make enough money so they don’t go bankrupt. He said he has no idea what will happen if he opens up going against states law.


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Matthew70 said:
I have also been told by good friend in Canada connected to govt this.
Reason rhetoric between China and US is picking up and both countries asking others to leave is this.
a second wave is now affecting China but they are not testing them to cover and save their economy.
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bird flu Breaking out now in the same place where corona virus started
 
weatherfide said:
They die everyday in assisted living. They go there to die, peacefully and with pain meds if needed. If we are shutting down to keep very old people alive, it is folly.
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I wouldn’t be that harsh but I agree and I understand your point. My guess is that most of these same older persons that have died would have died if they had the flu. It’s not a popular opinion in here but it is a possibility. Lots of research will be done after this brief outbreak.


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Ok, figure this. If we lose the economy who will be there to pay for the surviving old people's health care? Who will be earning income and paying taxes? The young will lose everything to save your almost dead grandmother? Who will be able to afford to help them at the end of life? Do you think young people are going to be ok with that? What sane nation sacrifices the future of it's young to try and save the old?
 
weatherfide said:
They die everyday in assisted living. They go there to die, peacefully and with pain meds if needed. If we are shutting down to keep very old people alive, it is folly.
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weatherfide said:
The left has no problem slaughtering the unborn but they are more than happy to throw out everything including the kitchen sink to save those at the end of life so that they can live a few more months? Makes no sense.
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Dude, I've made it clear on here before my political views (considered right winger by many) and I have made my opinions about abortion known to all but this type of rhetoric will not get any type of support from me. Morbid
 
Cases/deaths in Italy ramped up today, which is unfortunate after it seemed like they might have been flat lining some the last few days.
 
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weatherfide said:
There is an article from the New York Times about flu researchers in Washington state that found the evidence of community spread way before that case. Also, cdc is now researching previously reported flu like illnesses for corona per press conference today.
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Are you referencing the article below from the NY Times? It only states the virus was in the Seattle area nursing home before being reported. Not before the 1st US case was reported. Also, the CDC's previous flu deaths being investigated posthumously are also within the 1/20/20 time frame. So again, unless you have any scientific material that you can actually document here then you're just making it all up in your head and I for one don't appreciate the spread of misinformation. You can't just say "nothing happened the last 3 months" and we were OK when the virus didn't even show up to our shores less than 2 months ago. To add to that, Georgia just had it's first Coronavirus death. If you want to say that we should go back to work and you don't agree with the shutdown then that is fine and it's your opinion. But these other statements you are presenting as fact need to be backed up. If you can prove it then by all means please do it because we all want to learn here.

This is the post I am still responding to: We were ignoring it for three months and were just fine. Yes, we should go back to work! But some of us should take added precautions.

This is the only NY Times article I can find referencing anything early about the Washington outbreak and it doesn't go along with what your trying to say here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/us/coronavirus-washington-death.html

I also searched WSJ, WaPo and couldn't find anything.
 
As bad as Italy is, Germany is kicking this things butt like no other country. 12,000 cases(probably far higher) and 28 deaths. More confirmed cases than SK by several thousand with a CFR of 0.2%.

Read a post weeks ago about viral load. I wonder if that’s happening in hospitals which contributes to the crazy number of deaths in Italy, Spain and China.
 
Plus, Europe is beginning to show that more younger people are getting hit harder.
 
GeorgiaGirl said:
I'm sure we already know this but there's potential for it to go a lot higher soon (and it probably is a lot higher). There were 3 more presumptive positive tests at AU Health as of this morning, 20 pending tests (they've started drive thru testing today I believe), and 30 pending tests from yesterday I believe. The thought in this case is that the origin in this area was a major church gathering involving 3 counties. The first person to test positive, I don't think they traveled, but they were exposed to someone that has.

Albany might be about to get slammed. They have 1 positive so far, but someone that is apparently from that area says they have 67 people in the hospital awaiting test results, and 100 other people that aren't in the hospital awaiting test results. It hasn't really started there, but this person said that this hospital is already having issues.
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I have family that lives in the area. Right now as of last night Albany has 200 pending cases. My brother is an attorney and he have to figure out how to get wills signed with people that have it. It is so bad down there that they have people sewing protective coverings for the N95 mask. They have found having a covering will allow them to have more use. This is all from one guy the first guy to die that came down for a funeral from the metro Atlanta area. The doctors have been able trace it back to him and the funeral home where they had one more funeral that day after the funeral he attended. It really is sad. They are just ramping up testing in GA. I would think with them allowing private labs to test now we will see our numbers jump.
 
Arcc said:
As bad as Italy is, Germany is kicking this things butt like no other country. 12,000 cases(probably far higher) and 28 deaths. More confirmed cases than SK by several thousand with a CFR of 0.2%.

Read a post weeks ago about viral load. I wonder if that’s happening in hospitals which contributes to the crazy number of deaths in Italy, Spain and China.
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The crazy thing is Germany's median age is 45.9 compared to France's 41.2, and France has many more total deaths. I'm really at a loss to explain that discrepancy.
 
weatherfide said:
They die everyday in assisted living. They go there to die, peacefully and with pain meds if needed. If we are shutting down to keep very old people alive, it is folly.
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Man come on! You are just obviously a non caring person or just a plain pathetic individual. Shutting down sucks yes but life is more important than money. It’s people like you that disgust me. I would hate to be your mom or dad. You would just send them off. Hope your kids don’t have same attitude.
 
Matthew70 said:
Man come on! You are just obviously a non caring person or just a plain pathetic individual. Shutting down sucks yes but life is more important than money. It’s people like you that disgust me. I would hate to be your mom or dad. You would just send them off. Hope your kids don’t have same attitude.
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yeah, this guy earned an ignore forever over this post. not that I'm sure he cares! lol
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
The crazy thing is Germany's median age is 45.9 compared to France's 41.2, and France has many more total deaths. I'm really at a loss to explain that discrepancy.
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The only things I can come up with is:

1. German seniors have heeded the warnings and have isolated.

2. Italy, France and Spain have millions of cases and we are just seeing the worst cases in deaths. If this is true, we will see a massive drop off in cases in the next little while as herd immunity takes over.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
The crazy thing is Germany's median age is 45.9 compared to France's 41.2, and France has many more total deaths. I'm really at a loss to explain that discrepancy.
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Kissing cheeks worse then handshakes?

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YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
The crazy thing is Germany's median age is 45.9 compared to France's 41.2, and France has many more total deaths. I'm really at a loss to explain that discrepancy.
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I've seen that, but there's now some rumors floating that Germany has been hiding how much they've been hurt by this virus at least in hospital impact.
 
GeorgiaGirl said:
I've seen that, but there's now some rumors floating that Germany has been hiding how much they've been hurt by this virus at least in hospital impact.
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Agenda. All nations have them. Good or bad it’s all about the PR. I can’t trust any number or organization in this day of age.


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No one will like the discussion that is incoming, but it is incoming.

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.



After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.
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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

edit: Why aren’t links showing like like they did?
 
GeorgiaGirl said:
I've seen that, but there's now some rumors floating that Germany has been hiding how much they've been hurt by this virus at least in hospital impact.
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Could be, and I wouldn't completely rule it out.

On the other hand when people lie w/data (or businesses, nations, etc), most are usually pretty careful to make it look good, without drawing suspicion. Most likely, Germany would make up a higher number in my opinion. If this was 1940, my spidey sense would be off the hook but today I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt until something says otherwise.
 
Arcc said:
As bad as Italy is, Germany is kicking this things butt like no other country. 12,000 cases(probably far higher) and 28 deaths. More confirmed cases than SK by several thousand with a CFR of 0.2%.
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Germany is slamming the door shut at their borders & at their airports, prohibiting entry into the country by non-EU citizens.

www.dw.com

Germany puts refugee deal on hold over coronavirus – DW – 03/18/2020

The EU has taken drastic action to attempt to slow the spread of COVID-19, effectively shutting borders to non-citizens. Germany will stop taking in refugees, including thousands stranded at the Turkish-Greek border.
www.dw.com www.dw.com
 
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