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Misc Cold Season Complaining

I would not be surprised if the FV3 verified because it has me for the most part, just short on any wintry precipitation.
 
I still won't forget Jan 2017...the globals all said Raleigh would snow but the NAM was like nope...you sleet and we sleeted like crazy. Was supposed to be a 6-8" event and we got 1-2" of sleet.

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There's been as many or more instances where it was too warm with a warm nose though. Inlcuding the most recent January 16, 2022 storm. People just more so remember the epic busts. In fact, since that 2017 event, I can't think of another where the NAM led the way on a warm nose. But I can think of several where it was too warm.

It has scored some wins accurately predicting boundary layer issues though, as you'd expect.
 
There's been as many or more instances where it was too warm with a warm nose though. Inlcuding the most recent January 16, 2022 storm. People just more so remember the epic busts. In fact, since that 2017 event, I can't think of another where the NAM led the way on a warm nose. But I can think of several where it was too warm.

It has scored some wins accurately predicting boundary layer issues though, as you'd expect.
Must be different for your area but for Raleigh...the NAM is great at sniffing out warm noses. I can't recall really any model busting too warm for Raleigh.
 
I’m so fired up to spend yet another day refreshing this website constantly

One winter I calculated my amount of time watching models and this forum versus the number of inches of snow I got that winter. It was not a pretty comparison, and that winter was a solid one. I don’t remember the number, but it was many hours per inch. 😂
 
Must be different for your area but for Raleigh...the NAM is great at sniffing out warm noses. I can't recall really any model busting too warm for Raleigh.
Here's my notes from right after the 2022 storm:

"Hrrr nailed transitions perfectly 18hrs out, NAM too warm with warm nose. correct to accurate depiction about 12hrs out, Euro locked in from 120hrs out, GFS went to warm and amped up until24hrs before"
 
Here's my notes from right after the 2022 storm:

"Hrrr nailed transitions perfectly 18hrs out, NAM too warm with warm nose. correct to accurate depiction about 12hrs out, Euro locked in from 120hrs out, GFS went to warm and amped up until24hrs before"
Nice...it's a different life down in central SC then. I can't remember ever a time models busting to warm for Raleigh. Will see though...right now neither the 3km/12km have any snow in Raleigh whereas every other model does. This will be a good test.
 
Here's my notes from the Feb 6, 2021 snow storm.


Miller a with -3 850s but warm boundary layer, started off as rain and 39 wetbulb, heavy rates flipped it to snow. Hrrr nailed transition and precip maxima, nam was way too warm at surface and too quick with warm nose and too dry.
 
Here's my notes from the Feb 6, 2021 snow storm.


Miller a with -3 850s but warm boundary layer, started off as rain and 39 wetbulb, heavy rates flipped it to snow. Hrrr nailed transition and precip maxima, nam was way too warm at surface and too quick with warm nose and too dry.
You sure do get a lot of snow down in central SC...and models tend to bust to warm. I'm moving there...
 
Here's my notes from the Feb 6, 2021 snow storm.


Miller a with -3 850s but warm boundary layer, started off as rain and 39 wetbulb, heavy rates flipped it to snow. Hrrr nailed transition and precip maxima, nam was way too warm at surface and too quick with warm nose and too dry.

Is that the one you reeled In on AmericanWx with HRRR at the last 12hrs ? It was a Saturday I think


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Is that the one you reeled In on AmericanWx with HRRR at the last 12hrs ? It was a Saturday I think


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Actually I think that was the February 8, 2020 event. Here's my notes on that one:

3.25 inches all snow31.5 min surface tempall snow, started at 10:15am ended around 1:45pmhi res models showed a dusting to an inch, and warm surface temps. globals showed nothing in the medium range. - 4 850's and -2 925mb. temps rose to 33.5 as it ended. beautiful tree sticking snow
 
apple weather is so atrocious. 3-4”? Seriously? They should be ashamed of their product

Apple is really on my list. iOS has the unmitigated gall to put this pic from March 1, 2009 on my featured photos widget this morning. Siri can eff right on off. Worst timing ever.

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Actually I think that was the February 8, 2020 event. Here's my notes on that one:

3.25 inches all snow31.5 min surface tempall snow, started at 10:15am ended around 1:45pmhi res models showed a dusting to an inch, and warm surface temps. globals showed nothing in the medium range. - 4 850's and -2 925mb. temps rose to 33.5 as it ended. beautiful tree sticking snow
Holy crap...how much snow do you get in central SC. Raleigh hasn't seen a snowflake in over 3 years now.
 
Holy crap...how much snow do you get in central SC. Raleigh hasn't seen a snowflake in over 3 years now.
Clemson is the king of 2.5-3 inch snowfalls. But we always bust in epic fashion on the big dogs.

As such... i'll bet money I get my 2.5-3 from this storm. I'll get lucky on the fronto band even if it's warm/sleety after that, but if its not, i'll get unlucky with the transition lines and banding and still only get 2.5-3.
 
The way the models been going up here in the Tennessee valley they might as well down grade the winter storm warning we might just be getting a cold rain with the warm nose consistently pushing north
 
Clemson is the king of 2.5-3 inch snowfalls. But we always bust in epic fashion on the big dogs.
Geez...that's nice. Raleigh has had 1 3" snow in the past 6 years which is quite a drought based on the previous 20 years.
 
lol I feel like Clark griswald opening the telegram expecting a big bonus and getting the jelly of the month. “If this isn’t the biggest bag over the head, punch in the face I ever got….”
 
People are taking the NAM way too seriously. Hrrr, rgem, fv3 plus the globals all look fine and have trended more flat/weaker if anything. You're just pessimistic if you aren't trashing the NAM right now.
 
People are taking the NAM way too seriously. Hrrr, rgem, fv3 plus the globals all look fine and have trended more flat/weaker if anything. You're just pessimistic if you aren't trashing the NAM right now.
I think it’s probably an outlier, but that model has called its shot before and any pessimistic solution demands a little respect
 
I think it’s probably an outlier, but that model has called its shot before and any pessimistic solution demands a little respect
My question is that if it’s wrong with the track, are it’s generally more accurate thermals useful?
 
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