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Man, I can see that you are not going to budge on this belief that everything is going to be ok. It saddens me to watch folks deny the gospel and continue on their path. I wish that God would, just once, open your eyes and let you see the real picture. You are a good person, but good works will not get you into Heaven.
Just curious ..... what do you think a man has to do to go to Heaven? Do you even believe in Heaven?
 
Man, I can see that you are not going to budge on this belief that everything is going to be ok. It saddens me to watch folks deny the gospel and continue on their path. I wish that God would, just once, open your eyes and let you see the real picture. You are a good person, but good works will not get you into Heaven.
Just curious ..... what do you think a man has to do to go to Heaven? Do you even believe in Heaven?
I have told you guys time and again I know there is a creator but that creator is consciousness not a man. I know reincarnation is real just as the earliest Christians did, that Jesus did and that means there is no heaven or hell as you "believe" there is. Heaven is what Hindus refers to as Nirvana. I have had a near death experience and it showed me what is to come and it's not judgement. I don't think I'm the one in here that isn't willing to budge. I called myself a Christian for 45 years. I have studied the ancient text that came before the Bible and that is what opened my eyes to the truth. I gave you plenty of opportunities in this conversation to see what else is out there but it's you who refuses to budge. You look into near death experiencers and you will find EXACTLY what I have been telling you because the large majority of people who have gone through one will tell you we have it all backwards. We are eternal light beings with a soul that occupies a container you call a body.
 
You are a spiritual being having a human experience not the other way around. The creator is consciousness not some old man in the sky. Look into hermeticism and you will have your answer because that is exactly where Christianity came from before the church created a religion to control you with fear. I can't make you see it you have to want to see it but you don't want to even consider it out of nothing but FEAR. I have told you guys multiple times that fear and love cannot coexist but you live by this creed that has been instilled in you to fear the Lord. Why would you fear something that is supposed to love you? It makes zero sense whatsoever but fear works for you for some odd reason

If you believe that fear and love can’t coexist, you have definitely never had kids.
 
If you believe that fear and love can’t coexist, you have definitely never had kids.
If you require scripture here you go. I have 3 kids

Biblical reference:
The verse from 1 John 4:18 states, "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear,"

Since you brought up kids let's have a look. I'm sure you love yours with all your heart as I do. I'm pretty sure your thought is that the creator loves them even more as only the highest could. Would you throw your kids in a furnace for doing something awful? The answer is NO so why would the creator? The answer is the creator wouldn't and doesn't do you have no reason to 'fear the lord'. If you do awful things in this life you simply have karma to work off in your next. Think of it as earth being a school where you learn lessons. You screw up you repeat the grade. You screw up really bad you go back to the beginning
 
On a separate note, what is your thoughts on these UAP's that are showing up everywhere? There is a new insane video every day. How does that affect your religious beliefs? How will you react when you find out the truth we aren't alone?
 
If you require scripture here you go. I have 3 kids

Biblical reference:
The verse from 1 John 4:18 states, "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear,"

Since you brought up kids let's have a look. I'm sure you love yours with all your heart as I do. I'm pretty sure your thought is that the creator loves them even more as only the highest could. Would you throw your kids in a furnace for doing something awful? The answer is NO so why would the creator? The answer is the creator wouldn't and doesn't do you have no reason to 'fear the lord'. If you do awful things in this life you simply have karma to work off in your next. Think of it as earth being a school where you learn lessons. You screw up you repeat the grade. You screw up really bad you go back to the beginning

First of all, read the whole chapter and then get back to me. Pulling one verse out of context is just silly.

Secondly, you didn’t disprove my point, love and fear absolutely coexist. If you have children like you say you do, you know that this is absolutely true.

Edit: In fact, read all of 1st John and then let’s see if it lines up with your thoughts.
 
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First of all, read the whole chapter and then get back to me. Pulling one verse out of context is just silly.

Secondly, you didn’t disprove my point, love and fear absolutely coexist. If you have children like you say you do, you know that this is absolutely true.

Edit: In fact, read all of 1st John and then let’s see if it lines up with your thoughts.
Would you throw your child in a furnace for screwing up?
 
Would you throw your child in a furnace for screwing up?

Does God throw his children into furnaces for failing? I can’t seem to find that in scripture. I can find where people who reject his warnings, who are not his children will fall into a furnace.

I can beg and plead and threaten my children to not play in the road, but I cannot prevent them should they be deadset to disobey my warnings.
 
Does God throw his children into furnaces for failing? I can’t seem to find that in scripture. I can find where people who reject his warnings, who are not his children will fall into a furnace.

I can beg and plead and threaten my children to not play in the road, but I cannot prevent them should they be deadset to disobey my warnings.
All his post has not once lined up with the Bible. If someone gonna talk about there beliefs that’s fine but can you line up the scriptures?
 
Does God throw his children into furnaces for failing? I can’t seem to find that in scripture. I can find where people who reject his warnings, who are not his children will fall into a furnace.

I can beg and plead and threaten my children to not play in the road, but I cannot prevent them should they be deadset to disobey my warnings.
We are ALL God's children and one of us are going to hell despite your lust for punishing people who don't believe the same fear based nonsense you do.
 
We are ALL God's children and one of us are going to hell despite your lust for punishing people who don't believe the same fear based nonsense you do.
Why should I be good then? What’s the point? If no matter what I do in life I am still rewarded like the person who did nothing but good. In that case, why shouldn’t my entire life be dedicated to accumulating as much wealth and only pursuing pleasure no matter who I hurt in the process. If I wanted to kill people what’s stopping me? After all nothing matters , the murderer and the murdered are on equal footing. We are all gods creation and all of us were gifted free will, do with it as you please but there has to be justice

You will answer God one day for your actions in this life sandbar
 
Why should I be good then? What’s the point? If no matter what I do in life I am still rewarded like the person who did nothing but good. In that case, why shouldn’t my entire life be dedicated to accumulating as much wealth and only pursuing pleasure no matter who I hurt in the process. If I wanted to kill people what’s stopping me? After all nothing matters , the murderer and the murdered are on equal footing. We are all gods creation and all of us were gifted free will, do with it as you please but there has to be justice

You will answer God one day for your actions in this life sandbar
So which one of you is right? We can't all be right according to what I have been told here so how about you 2 get together, battle and let me know who wins!
 
We are ALL God's children and one of us are going to hell despite your lust for punishing people who don't believe the same fear based nonsense you do.

Was Hitler God’s child? Stalin? Is Putin God’s child?

What about Obama, Biden, Tom Cruise, Diddy, Mark Hamill? I’m curious.
 
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Then in reality, nothing matters. Any horrible crime really isn’t and life is completely devoid of meaning or purpose. Our conversation, pointless and a waste of time.

Welcome, you have now arrived a evolutionary Humanism. Enjoy your stay.
 
Then in reality, nothing matters. Any horrible crime really isn’t and life is completely devoid of meaning or purpose.
I have already told you it matters. It's called karma. I started working mine off a year ago
 
Was Hitler God’s child? Stalin? Is Putin God’s child?

What about Obama, Biden, Tom Cruise, Diddy? I’m curious.
God has no children in the human sense and it personifies God who is not human, we are all Gods creations and have free will . There are rules to this life , it is your choice to follow them or not
 
I have already told you it matters. It's called karma. I started working mine off a year ago
Karma? So you have a sense of justice and now it sounds like we are all judged… interesting . Interesting how you can not escape the idea of justice and divorce it from the creator
 
Who made Karma the ruler to judge that as wrong? The natural world says otherwise.
As above so below.....

What I do here in the natural world affects my ascension in the afterlife. That's what karma is. It's never too late to start working that karma off and that's what I am doing now exposing the lies we have been told. I'm sorry if it pisses people off but my journey is mine not those of a billion followers who choose to buy those lies
 
As above so below.....

What I do here in the natural world affects my ascension in the afterlife. That's what karma is. It's never too late to start working that karma off and that's what I am doing now exposing the lies we have been told. I'm sorry if it pisses people off but my journey is mine not those of a billion followers who choose to buy those lies

You are not making anyone upset in the way you think that you are, I can assure you of that. Your arguments don’t make enough sense.

My neighbor is a Sabbath Keeper, who I believe to also be a good man and he brought some of his beliefs to me the other day and honestly I had to go and study some things out. On the other hand, your arguments have left me just scratching my head to what you are actually trying to show us. From what I understand is I’m brainwashed, yet there is no wrong or judge yet I’m wrong because karma deems it so, yet I will not be punished despite all truth being completely relative.

Honestly, these conversations are likely moot because if you follow the path that many others have trodden, you will believe something completely different in a year or so. Jello begets jello and so forth.
 
You are not making anyone upset in the way you think that you are, I can assure you of that. Your arguments don’t make enough sense.

My neighbor is a Sabbath Keeper, who I believe to also be a good man and he brought some of his beliefs to me the other day and honestly I had to go and study some things out. On the other hand, your arguments have left me just scratching my head to what you are actually trying to show us. From what I understand is I’m brainwashed, yet there is no wrong or judge yet I’m wrong because karma deems it so, yet I will not be punished despite all truth being completely relative.

Honestly, these conversations are likely moot because if you follow the path that many others have trodden, you will believe something completely different in a year or so. Jello begets jello and so forth.
No what you can't seem to comprehend is that there is no ONE WAY. The only argument YOU make is that you are right and everyone else is simply wrong and you point to some holy book written by evil men as your proof. I have said everything you have said here to me 10,000 times to other people when I believed this one way nonsense. You are basically telling billions of people who love Jesus too that unless they walk your exact path that they are going to hell and you have the arrogant gall to claim this is what Jesus desires. You do this with little to no knowledge of what anyone else has experienced themselves and you won't even consider anything else as a possibility. That's where you have been brainwashed by the church and you wonder why you feel picked on. I have already experienced Christianity for 45 years. It did NOTHING for me but cause me to sink to my lowest point. I sought out and found the truth and although it was difficult and painful I am at the best place in my spiritual journey I have ever been and my expression of that offends you for some odd reason. I may come off as brash but your path doesn't bother me, it's mine that bothers you because you cannot except a damn thing that doesn't fit in your religious box. I put several links up here that explains why I feel you have been lied to. That information I linked came from a former person high in the church who saw the same things I did but you refuse to look at it or even consider it. It's difficult to have a conversation with people who have zero interest in even considering what other knowledgeable people say. It's ok to expand your mind because there is way more to this story than you have been taught. If you aren't interested in having a conversation outside your comfort zone just say so and I will know not to bother you
 
John 14:6
[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus's own words, you either choose to believe it or not. It's really simple and I'm not offended or mad at anyone's personal decision. All I can do is pray that when the spirit works on an individual they accept.
 
John 14:6
[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus's own words, you either choose to believe it or not. It's really simple and I'm not offended or mad at anyone's personal decision. All I can do is pray that when the spirit works on an individual they accept.
The primary (and unfortunately, insurmountable) problem is, if you're not arguing within the same basic framework, then it becomes a literal impossibility to reach an agreement.

The Bible is the complete, infallible, inerrant word of God. Unless someone agrees with that as a starting point, then sadly, there is no argument that you can make which relies on anything that the Bible says, that will gain you any ground whatsoever.

This is why I don't spend any time in here anymore. The anything-goes, self-spiritual pantheistic mysticism presented in here is the ultimate jello religion that can't be nailed to any pillar of sound doctrine because it's not rooted in anything, while at the same time, rooted in everything.

Making any progress through debate is therefore an impossibility and an utter waste of time.
 
John 14:6
[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus's own words, you either choose to believe it or not. It's really simple and I'm not offended or mad at anyone's personal decision. All I can do is pray that when the spirit works on an individual they accept.
Didn’t know Jesus spoke English
 
John 14:6
[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus's own words, you either choose to believe it or not. It's really simple and I'm not offended or mad at anyone's personal decision. All I can do is pray that when the spirit works on an individual they accept.
And if you study where Jesus went for 18 years (Egypt, India and Nepal) you will understand what it actually means. Jesus didn't come here to save you, he came here to show you the way back. It's called enlightenment and the early gnostic Christians knew this. The church of course did not agree so they slaughtered the early Christians for "hersey" and altered the Bible to introduce heaven and hell so you will be a good boy and obey your masters. If you will take the time to look outside the nonsense that has been fed to you, you will see the true teachings of Jesus. He was not a Messiah and never claimed to be. In fact he never wrote a single word down so you have NO CLUE WHATSOEVER if this is exactly what he said. You just blindly trust it without questioning. That's called FEAR!
 
The primary (and unfortunately, insurmountable) problem is, if you're not arguing within the same basic framework, then it becomes a literal impossibility to reach an agreement.

The Bible is the complete, infallible, inerrant word of God. Unless someone agrees with that as a starting point, then sadly, there is no argument that you can make which relies on anything that the Bible says, that will gain you any ground whatsoever.

This is why I don't spend any time in here anymore. The anything-goes, self-spiritual pantheistic mysticism presented in here is the ultimate jello religion that can't be nailed to any pillar of sound doctrine because it's not rooted in anything, while at the same time, rooted in everything.

Making any progress through debate is therefore an impossibility and an utter waste of time.
100% arrogance and nothing more
 
No what you can't seem to comprehend is that there is no ONE WAY. The only argument YOU make is that you are right and everyone else is simply wrong and you point to some holy book written by evil men as your proof. I have said everything you have said here to me 10,000 times to other people when I believed this one way nonsense. You are basically telling billions of people who love Jesus too that unless they walk your exact path that they are going to hell and you have the arrogant gall to claim this is what Jesus desires. You do this with little to no knowledge of what anyone else has experienced themselves and you won't even consider anything else as a possibility. That's where you have been brainwashed by the church and you wonder why you feel picked on. I have already experienced Christianity for 45 years. It did NOTHING for me but cause me to sink to my lowest point. I sought out and found the truth and although it was difficult and painful I am at the best place in my spiritual journey I have ever been and my expression of that offends you for some odd reason. I may come off as brash but your path doesn't bother me, it's mine that bothers you because you cannot except a damn thing that doesn't fit in your religious box. I put several links up here that explains why I feel you have been lied to. That information I linked came from a former person high in the church who saw the same things I did but you refuse to look at it or even consider it. It's difficult to have a conversation with people who have zero interest in even considering what other knowledgeable people say. It's ok to expand your mind because there is way more to this story than you have been taught. If you aren't interested in having a conversation outside your comfort zone just say so and I will know not to bother you

Once again, I am not offended, I am not bothered in the least. I do feel sad with the way you are walking, but we do have free will.

No, I’m just interested in your religion that seems to have less substance than that of a pastaferian. All you have presented is a swirling toilet bowl full of contradictions.

BTW, of course I am right. In a world of supposed relative truth, I can’t be wrong.
 
Jesus never wrote a thing down. If I told a story, by the time it got around to recording it 100 years later it would be nothing like the original
He actually once wrote some stuff in the sand, and a bunch of people standing around walked away in shame.
 
Once again, I am not offended, I am not bothered in the least. I do feel sad with the way you are walking, but we do have free will.

No, I’m just interested in your religion that seems to have less substance than that of a pastaferian. All you have presented is a swirling toilet bowl full of contradictions.

BTW, of course I am right. In a world of supposed relative truth, I can’t be wrong.
I don't have a religion! That's the point. I am willing to look at ALL the ancient text including the Bible to try and understand what it means instead of blindly following what someone told me. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient text that tells the story of our history. I have named many of them. I have provided you links from biblical scholars who 100% agree with me on this. How will you understand all of this if you don't even make the effort to educate yourself. Jesus went to Egypt and India for a reason. Because they are our ancient ancestors. The Bible is full of hidden messages and meaning that you probably have no clue of. I didn't and I always took it at face value until I awakened. This awakening is happening all over and there is nothing you can do to stop it. We are uncovering ancient sites every day thanks to advanced technology and those sites are showing us we are far older than we thought. The Sumerians are thought to be the oldest civilization on record. Go research their story and it will open your eyes to why you have been fooled from the beginning
 
I don't have a religion! That's the point. I am willing to look at ALL the ancient text including the Bible to try and understand what it means instead of blindly following what someone told me. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient text that tells the story of our history. I have named many of them. I have provided you links from biblical scholars who 100% agree with me on this. How will you understand all of this if you don't even make the effort to educate yourself. Jesus went to Egypt and India for a reason. Because they are our ancient ancestors. The Bible is full of hidden messages and meaning that you probably have no clue of. I didn't and I always took it at face value until I awakened. This awakening is happening all over and there is nothing you can do to stop it. We are uncovering ancient sites every day thanks to advanced technology and those sites are showing us we are far older than we thought. The Sumerians are thought to be the oldest civilization on record. Go research their story and it will open your eyes to why you have been fooled from the beginning

Why would I want to stop it? If you are correct there is no real point to anything.

I am curious about your approach to near death experiences. How do you rationalize your versions of those experiences vs those that claim they awoke in hell or went to heaven?

Edit: So the Bible that I am not supposed to believe because of the fact that they have changed it to brainwash me is full of hidden messages that I am supposed to believe? Interesting.
 
Why would I want to stop it? If you are correct there is no real point to anything.

I am curious about your approach to near death experiences. How do you rationalize your versions of those experiences vs those that claim they awoke in hell or went to heaven?

Edit: So the Bible that I am not supposed to believe because of the fact that they have changed it to brainwash me is full of hidden messages that I am supposed to believe? Interesting.
It's wasted time at this point as someone has already alluded to. I've already been where you are and had my eyes opened. You have made it clear you have zero interest in anything anyone else has to say and if I try I'm just mocking you and I'm the mean old bully so it's lose/lose for me
 
It's wasted time at this point as someone has already alluded to. I've already been where you are and had my eyes opened. You have made it clear you have zero interest in anything anyone else has to say and if I try I'm just mocking you and I'm the mean old bully so it's lose/lose for me

Strange, I have not viewed you as mocking me or a bully at all during our conversation.
 
Strange, I have not viewed you as mocking me or a bully at all during our conversation.
There are people here who want to have this conversation with me it's probably best I do that with them in PM and not here because it ruffles too many feathers as you can tell. This thread seems more geared towards cheerleading not meaningful conversation on differing opinions. Please don't take offense to that but it is what it is
 
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