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Misc 2021-22 Fall/Winter Whamby Thread

We can and we do!

But (some of) the Charlotte folks will still be whining about always getting less snow than Raleigh folks despite that not being the case this winter! ?

CLT to GSP is the snow capital of the SE. They have doubled up Raleigh the past 10 years.
 
CLT to GSP is the snow capital of the SE. They have doubled up Raleigh the past 10 years.
2012-2022 . Raleigh has had 3 season exceed 6 inches including back to back seasons recently . Greenville only 1 year last 10 and Charlotte 1 . Technically 2022 isn’t included in this so if you count that then now Greenville has 2.

RDU- 4.0 inches
CLT- 2.8 inches
GSP - 3.1 inches
 
If the Euro happens and the western Piedmont and foothills get hammered from a coastal while I, east of there, get clouds, I’m going to meltdown!
If the Nam happens and Bern get burried under a foot and i get half an inch i'm going to one unhappy, grumpy, and all around ugly person for a summer and fall.
 
2012-2022 . Raleigh has had 3 season exceed 6 inches including back to back seasons recently . Greenville only 1 year last 10 and Charlotte 1 . Technically 2022 isn’t included in this so if you count that then now Greenville has 2.

RDU- 4.0 inches
CLT- 2.8 inches
GSP - 3.1 inches
RDU historically averages more snowfall than CLT, so that’s no surprise. RDU should be getting more. 4” is well below RDU’a 30-year average, in any case. GSP has gotten screwed in recent years, though. I think their average is basically the same as RDU’s.
 
If the Nam happens and Bern get burried under a foot and i get half an inch i'm going to one unhappy, grumpy, and all around ugly person for a summer and fall.
Don’t worry, we’re all going to be happy after Magic March regardless!!! modernweenie
 
Everyone in the disco thread saying the nam will be worse/better 6 hours in View attachment 110616
Those people have me weak all the time. They be like “I’m getting word from someone who is looking at the data before it’s being published saying that the vort max is 25 degrees off from the last run at hour 3 so this run is a dead”

*model proceeds to show snowstorm*

???
 
Don’t worry, we’re all going to be happy after Magic March regardless!!! modernweenie
I joke in jest, We know they aren't getting a foot of snow. 1. it's not going to be 10:1 ratios, and 2. only half of what falls will linger. Can't get efficient accumulation when it's 33 and 34 degrees.
 
So basically 2021 all over again

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rgem is better than nam and it still has a big nothingburger compared
 
oh, if rgem had a big snowstorm and nam didn't you can bet the nam would be tossed but the rgem not. o_O
I’ve found the best approach to get an idea of what’s going on is to visit multiple forums . Right now my go to are here , mid Atlantic americanwx and nyc American wx. Each paint a different picture . I do the same for long range pattern . Here and wxdisco ( old accu weather forum )
 
I’ve found the best approach to get an idea of what’s going on is to visit multiple forums . Right now my go to are here , mid Atlantic americanwx and nyc American wx. Each paint a different picture . I do the same for long range pattern . Here and wxdisco ( old accu weather forum )

That's literally the three forums I go on as well lol.
 
I joke in jest, We know they aren't getting a foot of snow. 1. it's not going to be 10:1 ratios, and 2. only half of what falls will linger. Can't get efficient accumulation when it's 33 and 34 degrees.
But it’s not 33 and 34 degrees the entire time. You keep saying this but we’re dealing with a column that’s crashing and already cold antecedent conditions.

It was 38 degrees when it started snowing on both 12/18 and 1/23/03. You are not dealing in reality.
 
But it’s not 33 and 34 degrees the entire time. You keep saying this but we’re dealing with a column that’s crashing and already cold antecedent conditions.

It was 38 degrees when it started snowing on both 12/18 and 1/23/03.
Yeah , heavy wet snow . Column crashing is fun.
 
6Z GFS should have more buzz! It was a great run! Winter’s not over! Mega analfrontal incoming for our torchy February D8B7B438-AB58-4E57-B754-1D329C10EC7A.pngA480829D-273F-4F56-87EB-FA55CB4CA899.png79B1815A-57CA-4069-A33E-C4AD7954A4FA.png
 
^ you can see in that last image something all over CAE. Looks like a video I watched last night. All imma say about that.
 
But it’s not 33 and 34 degrees the entire time. You keep saying this but we’re dealing with a column that’s crashing and already cold antecedent conditions.

It was 38 degrees when it started snowing on both 12/18 and 1/23/03. You are not dealing in reality.
I never stated the entire event, but there will be a several hour window of snow (maybe more) @ or above 32 degrees. You will not get efficient accumulations.

This whole column crashing is 100% rate driven, so if the rates aren't as strong as depicted on the NAM, then you can be even warmer.

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And since I was referring to Bern in my first post, here's the GFS sounding for Bern.

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And here's Durham. GFS doesn't show below freezing till after precip is moving out.
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I never stated the entire event, but there will be a several hour window of snow (maybe more) @ or above 32 degrees. You will not get efficient accumulations.

This whole column crashing is 100% rate driven, so if the rates aren't as strong as depicted on the NAM, then you can be even warmer.

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And since I was referring to Bern in my first post, here's the GFS sounding for Bern.

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And here's Durham. GFS doesn't show below freezing till after precip is moving out.
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Both situations would verify as 32/SN for both locations. It’s not ideal, I’ll agree, but it’s also not going to snow for hours at 34 like the models show, either. Models often keep BL temps too high in such situations, when in reality 2m temps almost always drop to freezing.
 
I'm not getting any reacts on my rgem vs nam gif. i should stop i guess.

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I never stated the entire event, but there will be a several hour window of snow (maybe more) @ or above 32 degrees. You will not get efficient accumulations.

This whole column crashing is 100% rate driven, so if the rates aren't as strong as depicted on the NAM, then you can be even warmer.

View attachment 110640

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And since I was referring to Bern in my first post, here's the GFS sounding for Bern.

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And here's Durham. GFS doesn't show below freezing till after precip is moving out.
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You know me man...most of the time, I'm going to ride out with you and suit up with the cold first jersey. In this case, if we get light precip, honestly, who cares if it's rain or snow. It's going to come down in the middle of the night and probably won't amount to more than a dusting. But if we get rapid cyclogenesis off the coast, there will be plenty of precipitation and plenty of that will be snow. It won't be efficient at first, but it'll get there.
 
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