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Wintry 1/9-12 Winter Potential Great Dane or Yorkie

Totally disregard these thoughts as uneducated but I feel like everywhere in the south north of I-20 and west of I-74 for the NC folks are more likely than not gonna see winter weather.

Tennessee, Arkansas, N. Alabama and M. Mississippi are more likely to see more of a snow event, while Georgia/SC/NC are most likely looking at a snow-to-ice event, with the amount of snow seen before the changeover TBD. Also, both the 18z and 00z GFS likes the idea of backside snow for the NC folks.
 
It is. CMC is the worst offender of all NWP when it comes to crazy ZR numbers. Feel like most models oversell it but the cmc is always too much
those are amounts are simply the amount of liquid precip that falls with temps at 32 or below...it is not the amount of accretion. A number of factors come into play with that such as max column temp, it's depth, depth of surface cold layer, min temp of cold layer, surface temps, wind speed, and precip rates. Regardless that is an unusually huge swath of ice it is showing. There might be more sleet than indicated depending on rates but looking at soundings it sure looks like a classic freezing rain sounding in north ga and sc with max EWL temps of 4 to 6c. Wetbulbs are very cold...24 to 26 roughly as precip arrives. So in this case the amount of accretion would be fairly significant...IF that much precip fell.
 
EPS is worse for the I-20 crew. About the same for North Carolina I’d say give or take. This one feels like it’s slipping away a bit. Hopefully tomorrow brings better runs. The theme so far with this one has been just when you feel like you’re out- it pulls you back in! Hope that’s the case
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CAE had an interesting discussion at 7 about our system. I think the last line pretty much sums things up.

“But late this week, confidence continues to increase in a developing GoM surface low that will push into the area sometime Friday- Saturday. GEFS and EC suites appear to be converging (at least as much as reasonably possible for 5+ days out) on pulling this surface low east-northeast and over our area. There has been a notable trend in the last couple ensemble suites to favor a single low pressure center, with a more southerly track, rather than a pure Miller B type setup with a coupled low across the TN Valley. While confidence is increasing in this potential, frozen precip chances are still extremely uncertain as in typical in this range due to both the borderline thermodynamics in place, possibly surface wedging, and low track. Hopefully guidance continues to converge on at least low track so that portion of the forecast can get reasonably cleared up but specifics about precip type, timing, etc. will all take several days to even have a decent idea.”
 
EPS is worse for the I-20 crew. About the same for North Carolina I’d say give or take. This one feels like it’s slipping away a bit. Hopefully tomorrow brings better runs. The theme so far with this one has been just when you feel like you’re out- it pulls you back in! Hope that’s the case
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It's the glorious NW trend sometimes we love when it happens except with storms like this that gradually shift out of everyone's reach.
 
From GSP
As of 315 AM Monday: Models seem to be coming into better
agreement on a low pressure system organizing near the TX coast
Thursday and tracking east near/along the Gulf Coast Friday into
Saturday. So confidence is increasing that we will see a round
of precip in the late Friday thru early Saturday time frame. With
temps still below normal as moisture from this system approaches,
there is a decent chance of wintry precip types, especially in the
mountains. Unfortunately, like nearly all winter systems in our
region, there is still a lot of uncertainty on the details. The
deterministic models all have a warm nose punching into the area
Friday night, with some in-situ cold air damming likely in place
thanks to the initially dry air. However, the ensemble probs and
the latest NBM seem to be leaning toward mostly snow, even for our
southern Piedmont. The low does have a Miller type-A-like track,
which is usually more of a RA/SN setup for our area. However,
thicknesses are on the warm side, with the 540-dam line likely
north of the forecast area. With the event still out on Days 5-6,
will continue to go with a RA/SN forecast with the understanding
that a wintry mix is certainly probable for at least portions of
the forecast area. The system looks to be a fast-mover, so even if
we do end up with snow and/or ice accums, QPF should be limited by
the short duration. Still too much uncertainty to mention specific
accums, but will begin to mention potential for wintry precip in
the HWO.

The low quickly exits to our northeast Saturday aftn/eve. Broad
upper troughing will continue across much of the central and
eastern CONUS in the wake of the coastal low thru the weekend and
into early next week. This will keep temps below normal with dry
conditions expected.
 
Peachtree City (ATL) discussion
Arctic high pressure will settle southeastward by midweek, leading
to a long duration of below normal temperatures through the extended
forecast period. Initial dry conditions will persist from Wednesday
into Thursday with the cold airmass being reinforced from Wednesday
night into Thursday morning. This will be the coldest morning of the
week with low temperatures likely dipping into at least the upper
teens across a good chunk of north Georgia with low 20s elsewhere.
Highs Wednesday into Thursday will range from mid-to-upper 30s north
to around 50 in the far southern tier.

The most interesting time period to watch for the local area remains
Friday into early Saturday, which continues to be the focus of
long term forecast efforts. Broad model consensus remains
regarding the formation of a surface low along the northern Gulf
coast by Thursday as a cutoff upper low lifts out of the Southwest
into the Plains. With the lingering cold airmass in place, some
level of frozen precipitation likely remains on the docket for at
least portions of the area as moisture spreads northward ahead of
the Gulf low. Details, however, still remain elusive at this point
as we are still several days removed from this event. Ptype at
onset and throughout the event remains a big question as some
degree of warm air advection could lead to a mixed bag of
precipitation. For now, the ptype forecast was limited only to
rain and snow given lack of clarity regarding atmospheric profile
details at this time. Probabilities for impactful wintry
precipitation obviously remain highest across north Georgia, where
ensemble probabilities of at least an inch of snow remain as high
as 50-70% across the far northern counties tapering lower toward
the I-20 corridor and nil for areas to the south. Continue to
check for additional forecast details over the coming days as
clarity regarding this system increases.

By Saturday, any impactful precipitation will come to an end as the
low lifts northeast and the upper trough axis shifts eastward.
Despite a return to dry weather thereafter, temperatures through the
weekend will remain below normal with subfreezing lows and highs
largely in the 40s.
 
CAE (Columbia) NWS

Increasing confidence regarding a storm system developing in
the Gulf of Mexico, approaching the region on Friday.

- Potential for a period of wintry precipitation as the center
of the cyclone approaches. Coverage and type of frozen
precipitation will be highly dependent on the track of the
system.

Model guidance continues to converge towards a solution for the next
storm system, slated to arrive in our area on Friday. Low pressure
is forecast to develop in the Gulf of Mexico by the start of
the extended, moving northeast towards our CWA on Friday. The
low should be in our vicinity Saturday morning, before quickly
moving offshore, allowing high pressure to build back in to
close out the weekend. While guidance has gravitated towards a
solution, the confidence in a specific type of frozen
precipitation (snow, sleet, or freezing rain) is low at this
time, which is typical this far in advance.

Given the antecedent conditions, a period of frozen precipitation
seems increasingly likely Friday night but will be dependent on
several factors. Model guidance has been fairly consistent in
showing snow potential in the Northern Midlands and Pee Dee,
with the GFS, Euro, and Canadian ensembles all showing a low to
moderate, 20 to 40 percent, chance of accumulating snowfall
across our northernmost counties and a sharp gradient as you
head south towards the Columbia area. With this in mind, have
introduced a rain/snow mix in areas with subfreezing temperatures
Friday night and all snow where temperatures are at or below 28
degrees. However, given the current storm track, it is more
likely that a variety of precipitation types will occur as WAA
overrides and likely erodes the subfreezing air near the
surface. One possible scenario would be rain changing to a
rain/snow mix Friday night then over to freezing rain and
eventually plain rain on Saturday. These details should become
clearer as the week goes on and we gain access to the mesoscale
models. Precipitation should wind down Saturday with clearing
skies at night as high pressure builds in for Sunday.
 
From GSP
As of 315 AM Monday: Models seem to be coming into better
agreement on a low pressure system organizing near the TX coast
Thursday and tracking east near/along the Gulf Coast Friday into
Saturday. So confidence is increasing that we will see a round
of precip in the late Friday thru early Saturday time frame. With
temps still below normal as moisture from this system approaches,
there is a decent chance of wintry precip types, especially in the
mountains. Unfortunately, like nearly all winter systems in our
region, there is still a lot of uncertainty on the details. The
deterministic models all have a warm nose punching into the area
Friday night, with some in-situ cold air damming likely in place
thanks to the initially dry air. However, the ensemble probs and
the latest NBM seem to be leaning toward mostly snow, even for our
southern Piedmont. The low does have a Miller type-A-like track,
which is usually more of a RA/SN setup for our area. However,
thicknesses are on the warm side, with the 540-dam line likely
north of the forecast area. With the event still out on Days 5-6,
will continue to go with a RA/SN forecast with the understanding
that a wintry mix is certainly probable for at least portions of
the forecast area. The system looks to be a fast-mover, so even if
we do end up with snow and/or ice accums, QPF should be limited by
the short duration. Still too much uncertainty to mention specific
accums, but will begin to mention potential for wintry precip in
the HWO.

The low quickly exits to our northeast Saturday aftn/eve. Broad
upper troughing will continue across much of the central and
eastern CONUS in the wake of the coastal low thru the weekend and
into early next week. This will keep temps below normal with dry
conditions expected.

That’s gonna change, looking at the models it’s gonna be a complete miss for winter weather for ga/sc/nc and just a cold rain


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Morristown is usually very conservative. I'm surprised they are honking this far out.



Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Morristown TN
333 AM EST Mon Jan 6 2025



Discussion:

.LONG TERM...
(Tuesday through Sunday)
Issued at 254 AM EST Mon Jan 6 2025

Key Messages:

1. Cold temperatures continue through the week.

2. No significant weather through Thursday night.

4. Another good chance for wintry precipitation Friday afternoon
through Saturday.

Discussion:

Cold arctic airmass behind todays frontal system will remain locked
in across the area this week, generally running 10 degrees below
normal or more with no locations after today through Friday above 40
degrees. Nighttime lows will be mostly teens to lower 20s with skies
mostly clear and winds lighter through early Thursday night. A zonal
flow aloft will keep the middle of the week period fairly quiet.
Weak systems to the north may bring some clouds to southwest
Virginia and extreme northern Tennessee Tuesday night and Wednesday
night but no precipitation expected.

Thursday night the pattern changes as the next southern system
begins to develop. On Tuesday over the southern Rockies a surface
low pressure and an upper level low begins developing over northern
Mexico and begins to spread precipitation across the desert
southwest and west Texas Wednesday. The system continues to develop
Thursday with gulf moisture then spreading into the lower
Mississippi Valley. The ECMWF has the system more developed than the
GFS Thursday. Both models keep surface low along the coast Thursday
night and Friday. A good southwesterly flow aloft will bring the
moisture northeast into the Tennessee Valley Friday. GFS/NBM brings
a significant 2 inch or so snowfall for the Tennessee Valley and
several inches for the higher elevations especially across the
Smokies lasting through the day Saturday, but ECMWF model keeps the
heaviest precipitation along the Gulf Coast and much lighter
snowfall farther north across the CWA Friday night and Saturday
morning. Models keep temperatures cold in the 30s Friday as the
moisture moves in with slightly warmer temperatures Saturday and
Sunday. Sunday clouds decrease with the precipitation ending. Any
winter precipitation that falls through Saturday may keep high
temperatures down even with the sunshine. Will have to watch later
model runs to see if more agreement happens with the threat for
significant snow or if the system will stay farther south on the
Gulf coast. Also as a southwest flow develops out ahead of the
system and if it slows down its eastward movement temperatures may
warm more than forecast reducing potential snowfall amounts.
 
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Here’s the 00z CMC ensemble with the hr 120 and 132 timestamp. Pretty solid agreement on a central gulf coast to near/just off the SE coast surface low track. Quite a few wintry members including the deterministic and control. This idea has been consistent with this ensemble for a few days now, take it for what it’s worth.


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00z Euro AIFS at hr 120 shows below freezing temps over a good chunk of NC, northern section of SC, NE GA. Rain for eastern GA, SC, and southern NC. Low would continue moving off the coast and not quite as amped as the previous run


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As much as I hate to say it It’s over man, gonna be a all rain event


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As much as I hate to say it It’s over man, gonna be a all rain event


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Verbatim, it would probably mean either snow/ or mixed precip for the entire event for said areas of the Carolinas and GA. It stays near or below freezing for the entire event, eastern sections of those states it’s rain no doubt.


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Verbatim, it would probably mean either snow/ or mixed precip for the entire event for said areas of the Carolinas and GA. It stays near or below freezing for the entire event, eastern sections of those states it’s rain no doubt.


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I think it’s gonna be rain for me in upstate sc


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Snow for TN, ice/mixed precip for NE GA, upstate SC and northern NC. Looks like this is a more suppressed run than the 00z. AIFS had a similar idea.


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06z GFS is definitely a different evolution. Brings a second round of moisture. But guess what? Somehow it’s still to warm for most.
 
I’m trying to figure out if we’re starting a trend of a flatter suppressed look to this system, the AIFS did it on the 00z and now the GFS


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I think so. But the temp profile is a mess. I still GFS is underestimate the cold air. Icon shows the potential but again it is the ICON.
 
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