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Do it for you then because I am exactly where I need to be and have never been happier. Nothing wrong with prayer, I pray when I want to speak and meditate when I need to listen but I'm not in need of it. Like I mentioned before, you are still in the believe stage, I have moved on to the know stage and it's invigorating and enlightening to no longer feel judged, or fearful of something I was never meant to fear . Evilness has tricked you but you will come to understand one day. Hopefully it won't be through trauma which is where spirituallity typically reveals itself and shows us who we really are

Namaste
 
Do it for you then because I am exactly where I need to be and have never been happier. Nothing wrong with prayer, I pray when I want to speak and meditate when I need to listen but I'm not in need of it. Like I mentioned before, you are still in the believe stage, I have moved on to the know stage and it's invigorating and enlightening to no longer feel judged, or fearful of something I was never meant to fear . Evilness has tricked you but you will come to understand one day. Hopefully it won't be through trauma which is where spirituallity typically reveals itself and shows us who we really are

Namaste

Evilness? How is this so? No such thing exists.
 
It doesn't which is the point. What is the truth? Is yours right and mine wrong? Truth is absolutely subjective and this is EXACTLY why I left the collective group think of religion. My spriritual journey is mine and mine only and I can't even begin to explain the stress, anxiety and weight lifted off my shoulders when I broke free. I no longer have to worry about judgement or living up to expectations other than my own. Spirituality is becoming more and more common among soldiers who have experienced trauma through years of war. It's not something easily explained to people who haven't gone through it or have had to deal with taking another humans life for no reason that makes any sense to a rational person

Then why are we discussing this issue? I am not wrong, you are not wrong. I am not confused, you are not confused. If religion leads to war, it doesn’t matter because everyone is right.
 
Then why are we discussing this issue? I am not wrong, you are not wrong. I am not confused, you are not confused. If religion leads to war, it doesn’t matter because everyone is right.
Tell you what. You go kill several dozen people in war and justify to yourself that it was justified because the god you believe in and the book you think is God's word somehow made it ok. You do that and let's have this conversation again. I never said there was no right or wrong within our morals and beliefs. What I said was we all go to the same place so it doesn't matter what religion you follow if you even follow one. I believe in karma and reincarnation and there is the difference. I took the lives of many souls I didn't have a right to take. I have chosen to begin working that karma off in this life by trying to tell people like you that war IS NOT justified. That is just a bunch of BS because it is not justified and those evil, hate filled words in the Bible are not the thoughts of MY creator but you can't seem to understand because you refuse to. That my friend is brainwashed. You have no clue the burden I carry and thanking me for my service and praying for me, while appreciated doesn't change a thing. Let me end by asking you this

Do you think I am destined for hell for taking life?
Do you think I am going to hell for not being a Christian? What I did is not ok. The way I have chosen to deal with it is 100% correct to me because religion only caused me anxiety and depression
 
I realize I come off as brash in this thread. If it seems like anger it isn't at Christians it's at the religion in general that has been forced upon you. If you research early Christianity you will see exactly what I am talking about. Early Christians were more spiritual (gnostics) and it was the Catholic Church that gave you the dogma you have today. They altered and mistranslated the Bible on purpose and forced Christians to accept it while they brutally murdered the early Christians and gnostics like the knights templar. I wish you folks could see and understand it doesn't have to be this way but you guys are too dug in and the only thing I believe will change you is severe trauma or an awakening
 
I realize I come off as brash in this thread. If it seems like anger it isn't at Christians it's at the religion in general that has been forced upon you. If you research early Christianity you will see exactly what I am talking about. Early Christians were more spiritual (gnostics) and it was the Catholic Church that gave you the dogma you have today. They altered and mistranslated the Bible on purpose and forced Christians to accept it while they brutally murdered the early Christians and gnostics like the knights templar. I wish you folks could see and understand it doesn't have to be this way but you guys are too dug in and the only thing I believe will change you is severe trauma or an awakening
ultimate purpose and meaning in life is to develop a personal relationship with God, understanding His character and will, and living in accordance with that knowledge.
relationship:
"Knowing God" implies a close, intimate relationship, going beyond just intellectual understanding of religious doctrines and involving personal experience and faith.
focus:
It emphasizes that the most important aspect of life is not material possessions, achievements, or worldly pursuits, but rather a spiritual connection with God. At the end of the day it’s about the end game.
 
Tell you what. You go kill several dozen people in war and justify to yourself that it was justified because the god you believe in and the book you think is God's word somehow made it ok. You do that and let's have this conversation again. I never said there was no right or wrong within our morals and beliefs. What I said was we all go to the same place so it doesn't matter what religion you follow if you even follow one. I believe in karma and reincarnation and there is the difference. I took the lives of many souls I didn't have a right to take. I have chosen to begin working that karma off in this life by trying to tell people like you that war IS NOT justified. That is just a bunch of BS because it is not justified and those evil, hate filled words in the Bible are not the thoughts of MY creator but you can't seem to understand because you refuse to. That my friend is brainwashed. You have no clue the burden I carry and thanking me for my service and praying for me, while appreciated doesn't change a thing. Let me end by asking you this

Do you think I am destined for hell for taking life?
Do you think I am going to hell for not being a Christian? What I did is not ok. The way I have chosen to deal with it is 100% correct to me because religion only caused me anxiety and depression

I’m trying to figure out what you actually believe because from what I can tell and what you have explained, it seems like a patchwork of different religious structures that can really change by the moment. As I said many times, I hate you suffer for what you did and what they led you to do for whatever right or wrong reasons, but if you feel the need to call us brainwashed, misinterpret scripture and then say you believe jello you can expect debate. We cannot be wrong unless you can stand on a truth that you believe can judge us so. However, since you believe that truth is relative, your truth about killing people, means as much as my truth about killing cockroaches. Even “karma” is an illogical fallacy unless real solid truth exists behind it to give it teeth.
 
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RELIGION VS SPIRITUALITY

Religion is about institutionalised often dogmatic and hierarchical social systems focusing on power, control, politics, money, possessions and other secular concerns.
Spirituality on the other hand is about one’s personal and direct experiences of cosmic, supra-natural, trans-egoic and non-ordinary aspects of reality. Experiences which more often than not, are transformational of one’s consciousness, sense of self/identity and often lead to more selfless and global concerns/behaviors.
This is why Buddhism, Taoism and possibly some sects of Hinduism are more accurately described as spiritual rather than religious practices.

~Alan Watts~
 
I’m trying to figure out what you actually believe because from what I can tell and what you have explained, it seems like a patchwork of different religious structures that can really change by the moment. As I said many times, I hate you suffer for what you did and what they led you to do for whatever right or wrong reasons, but if you feel the need to call us brainwashed, misinterpret scripture and then say you believe jello you can expect debate. We cannot be wrong unless you can stand on a truth that you believe can judge us so. However, since you believe that truth is relative, your truth about killing people, means as much as my truth about killing cockroaches. Even “karma” is an illogical fallacy unless real solid truth exists behind it to give it teeth.
You do what you are told to do within the confines of the dogma forced upon you from birth. You think what you are told to think. You don't even question it. That my friend is fear! That is being brainwashed
 
ultimate purpose and meaning in life is to develop a personal relationship with God, understanding His character and will, and living in accordance with that knowledge.
relationship:
"Knowing God" implies a close, intimate relationship, going beyond just intellectual understanding of religious doctrines and involving personal experience and faith.
focus:
It emphasizes that the most important aspect of life is not material possessions, achievements, or worldly pursuits, but rather a spiritual connection with God. At the end of the day it’s about the end game.
Why is your way the only way? The right way? Because that's what you have been forced to believe by your masters and you don't dare to question it. Why is that? Because you live in fear of what you claim is pure love. Sorry but pure love and fear do not coexist
 
I’m trying to figure out what you actually believe because from what I can tell and what you have explained, it seems like a patchwork of different religious structures that can really change by the moment. As I said many times, I hate you suffer for what you did and what they led you to do for whatever right or wrong reasons, but if you feel the need to call us brainwashed, misinterpret scripture and then say you believe jello you can expect debate. We cannot be wrong unless you can stand on a truth that you believe can judge us so. However, since you believe that truth is relative, your truth about killing people, means as much as my truth about killing cockroaches. Even “karma” is an illogical fallacy unless real solid truth exists behind it to give it teeth.
If I had to structure my belief system it is based in hermeticism. I sought to release myself from dogma and forge my own personal path removing any negativity from those beliefs including fear and judgement. I had to ask myself why would I worship and follow any religion that provoked negative teachings. It is never ok to take a life out of anger or indifferences
 
Why is your way the only way? The right way? Because that's what you have been forced to believe by your masters and you don't dare to question it. Why is that? Because you live in fear of what you claim is pure love. Sorry but pure love and fear do not coexist
My way? It’s the lords way. I follow the word of God which will never turn void. I’m never forced to believe what I believe in, and the only master I serve is your creator who’s sitting on the right hand of the father. The Bible says all you have to do is believe and call upon his name and ye shall be saved. Hope you have a good sir.
 
My way? It’s the lords way. I follow the word of God which will never turn void. I’m never forced to believe what I believe in, and the only master I serve is your creator who’s sitting on the right hand of the father. The Bible says all you have to do is believe and call upon his name and ye shall be saved. Hope you have a good sir.
Yeah I thought the same thing......and then I woke up. You may not in this life but perhaps your next it will come
 
Let’s just assume this is true so we can skip that rabbit hole conversation. How does that change the false insinuation above?
These two gentlemen have all your answers! Paul Wallis is a biblical scholar who saw through the vail just as I have

 
These two gentlemen have all your answers! Paul Wallis is a biblical scholar who saw through the vail just as I have


I’ve watched a couple Paul Wallis videos before… very interesting work… makes me think and open to new perspectives
 
I’ve watched a couple Paul Wallis videos before… very interesting work… makes me think and open to new perspectives
And THAT is all that can be asked. We should never stop trying to learn and we only do that by being open minded to all possibilities
 
Watch this......There is nothing here you can't look up and make up your own mind. If you don't buy it perhaps you aren't ready to see it.......

 
If you don't want to watch it don't. I can't type out everything that needs to be covered on something this in depth

You can’t explain why you posted an image that tries to suggest a phrase used in Egyptian theology is the same theme as used in the Bible except earlier. Yet the quote is diametrically opposed to the Bible in actuality?

That is quite odd.
 
You can’t explain why you posted an image that tries to suggest a phrase used in Egyptian theology is the same theme as used in the Bible except earlier. Yet the quote is diametrically opposed to the Bible in actuality?

That is quite odd.
The point is you have been taught the wrong thing in my opinion. If you watch the video you will at least have something different to look at which is the point of me posting it. I don't care if you watch it or not dude, there are others here that might find value in it. The Sumerians were the first civilization we have records of. They were spiritual people who worshiped 'gods', plural called the Anunnaki. These Anunnaki are who your Bible refers to when you read about the war mongering Yewah who's name is Enlil. All the ancient text actually go back to these Anunnaki beings in some form. If you watch the video you will learn something
 
Why is your way the only way? The right way? Because that's what you have been forced to believe by your masters and you don't dare to question it. Why is that? Because you live in fear of what you claim is pure love. Sorry but pure love and fear do not coexist
Nobody forced me to believe. I can read and understand scripture for myself. I chose this belief because I am certain it is the only path to salvation. We have an instruction book called the Bible. I have read it from cover to cover, and in my heart, ..... I believe it is God's word. You can disagree with me and others on here, that's your choice, but don't say that we were forced to believe the way we do.
In reference to your comment on fear .... the Bible teaches us to fear the Lord. That doesn't mean to be scared of Him, it means to respect His commandments and walk in the paths of righteousness. You seem to be a little vague at time in describing exact what you have put your faith in. I would like to know what you think would be a clear ticket to Heaven. Do you ever think about eternity? I just can't grasp this "pie in the sky" attitude you seem to have adopted. No disrespect intended.
 
Nobody forced me to believe. I can read and understand scripture for myself. I chose this belief because I am certain it is the only path to salvation. We have an instruction book called the Bible. I have read it from cover to cover, and in my heart, ..... I believe it is God's word. You can disagree with me and others on here, that's your choice, but don't say that we were forced to believe the way we do.
In reference to your comment on fear .... the Bible teaches us to fear the Lord. That doesn't mean to be scared of Him, it means to respect His commandments and walk in the paths of righteousness. You seem to be a little vague at time in describing exact what you have put your faith in. I would like to know what you think would be a clear ticket to Heaven. Do you ever think about eternity? I just can't grasp this "pie in the sky" attitude you seem to have adopted. No disrespect intended.
Fear and love DO NOT coexist my friend. If someone or something loves you unconditionally you need not fear it. You live in fear of your Creator because you have been made to live in fear by those controlling you. Why you folks can't see this is beyond me. Go explore the ancient world before the Bible and you will recognize that you have been lied to about all of it and that the god in the Bible you think loves you is nothing more than a brutal dictator that would just as well throw you in a fire as look at you.

Hermetics will show you the real story of Jesus and it will explain to you that the Bible has been misinterpreted and mistranslated on purpose and that purpose is to control you. I put the link up that gives you another POV. Did you watch it? The answer is NO. Why? Because you fear knowledge and the truth. I used to be this way too, then I woke up!
 
Have you folks read the Hindu Bible that is thousands of years older than the Christian Bible? Have you read the book of Enoch? The Enuma Elis? The epic of Gilgamesh? How about the Sumerian tablets or the Nag Hammadi? There are 5 miles of shelving under the Vatican that hold ancient text and artifacts we know nothing about. If you haven't made the effort to look into other information how do you know the Bible is 100% and the true words of God? Did God just not do any conversing with folks before the Christian Bible? You are doing yourselves a disservice by not having an open mind because your religion has trapped you.
 
Fear and love DO NOT coexist my friend. If someone or something loves you unconditionally you need not fear it. You live in fear of your Creator because you have been made to live in fear by those controlling you. Why you folks can't see this is beyond me. Go explore the ancient world before the Bible and you will recognize that you have been lied to about all of it and that the god in the Bible you think loves you is nothing more than a brutal dictator that would just as well throw you in a fire as look at you.

Hermetics will show you the real story of Jesus and it will explain to you that the Bible has been misinterpreted and mistranslated on purpose and that purpose is to control you. I put the link up that gives you another POV. Did you watch it? The answer is NO. Why? Because you fear knowledge and the truth. I used to be this way too, then I woke up!

Dude you can post videos on why Cucumbers are actually radishes and Elvis is actually an alien and we wouldn’t watch it either. Why would we spend time watching a video on your beliefs when like the post above, you cannot explain without contradicting yourself?
 
Dude you can post videos on why Cucumbers are actually radishes and Elvis is actually an alien and we wouldn’t watch it either. Why would we spend time watching a video on your beliefs when like the post above, you cannot explain without contradicting yourself?
You aren't going to watch it because you CANNOT accept that you have been lied to. I don't care if you watch it or not but it's difficult to debate people that don't have ALL of the information and you don't I can assure you. I did and said the exact same things you guys have when people tried to convince me and I refused to even look because I was once brainwashed too. When you have the veil removed and you look closely and with an open mind at what others have to say you begin to see. You go on "believing" when you could be knowing, choice is yours
 
You aren't going to watch it because you CANNOT accept that you have been lied to. I don't care if you watch it or not but it's difficult to debate people that don't have ALL of the information and you don't I can assure you. I did and said the exact same things you guys have when people tried to convince me and I refused to even look because I was once brainwashed too. When you have the veil removed and you look closely and with an open mind at what others have to say you begin to see. You go on "believing" when you could be knowing, choice is yours

Once again, so what? Brainwashed or not, relative truth means it does…not…matter…full stop.

Debate isn’t difficult here, it is impossible. A debate requires both sides to know what they believe based on some rational supposedly immutable truth that they stand on. I believe in absolute truth and you believe in relative truth. That might as well be oil and water.
 
Once again, so what? Brainwashed or not, relative truth means it does…not…matter…full stop.

Debate isn’t difficult here, it is impossible. A debate requires both sides to know what they believe based on some rational supposedly immutable truth that they stand on. I believe in absolute truth and you believe in relative truth. That might as well be oil and water.
I don't "believe" I KNOW. If you haven't looked in any other direction, and it appears you haven't then how can you make an argument? I was tired of 'believing' so I went searching for that truth and I found it. Is it easy no but so worth it to no longer have to live in fear of being judged by something that is supposed to love me unconditionally.
 
I don't "believe" I KNOW. If you haven't looked in any other direction, and it appears you haven't then how can you make an argument? I was tired of 'believing' so I went searching for that truth and I found it. Is it easy no but so worth it to no longer have to live in fear of being judged by something that is supposed to love me unconditionally.
Fact is, one day you will know for sure, will be too late however. I'm with arcc, I still have no idea what you believe or excuse me, know.
 
Fact is, one day you will know for sure, will be too late however. I'm with arcc, I still have no idea what you believe or excuse me, know.
You are a spiritual being having a human experience not the other way around. The creator is consciousness not some old man in the sky. Look into hermeticism and you will have your answer because that is exactly where Christianity came from before the church created a religion to control you with fear. I can't make you see it you have to want to see it but you don't want to even consider it out of nothing but FEAR. I have told you guys multiple times that fear and love cannot coexist but you live by this creed that has been instilled in you to fear the Lord. Why would you fear something that is supposed to love you? It makes zero sense whatsoever but fear works for you for some odd reason
 
What's puzzling is that you guys call people out on the other thread for being sheep but you call yourself a servant who worships in this thread. I'm not trying to be hateful but that's exactly what you are doing and you "believe" that this is what your Creator wishes of you. To bow down like a humble servant. You can't see why that is foolish? There is no word of God only man.
 
Dude go on the weather side and join us. Let’s see how you do with weather knowledge
I'm glad you brought that up because it's a great teaching moment. I don't post on the weather side because I am ignorant about the topic and this is an awesome place for a person to learn. Perhaps when I can contribute I will. Hermetics is all about growth and learning. You take in all the ancient knowledge you can and apply it to life so your soul can grow and ascend. This is exactly what Jesus did when he learned about hermetics in Egypt and about the Hindu text in India. Jesus mission when he incarnated was to teach humanity the way back to source (God) and he accomplished that by "listening" to different opinions and absorbing the gnosis offered to him. The church obviously didn't like this because they felt their way was the only true and correct way and they didn't want the citizens listening to some spiritual nutjob like Jesus yamming on about reincarnation and ascension. Starting to sound familiar? It should because it's still happening today. You have the opportunity to seek the truth as many have and if you are open minded you will not only find it, but you will find that the actual truth is better than the lies you have been sold by the corrupt religious leaders who control the minds of billions of people. There is a reason why Jesus didn't care for the church and that is the very reason why we are having this conversation. It's not that the Bible is wrong, it's just been misrepresented on purpose.
 
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