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Presidential Election 2024

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Rain Cold said:
Nobody is saying Trump is a bastion of morality. When you say stuff like that, it proves that you are being told how to think and what to say by the top line soundbites you collect from your group think tank.
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Metwannabe said:
Kamala has admitted prices are too high, she is running on making a bad economy better, turning the page. But when asked what she would've done different than Biden, she said "nothing". What is she turning the page from? How are you all so naive, it truly boggles the mind
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Sheā€™s talking about turning the page from the Trump dump storm he left and continuing and building on what her and Biden have done. You can disagree with what they have done but thatā€™s what she obviously means
 
Bham 99 said:
That's right worry about everything but the American people. Sounds like the true personality cult is anybody that hates Trump.
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Tell me, when in history has a mass deportation of tens of millions of people gone completely without a hitch, gone completely without human rights being abused, deaths, ect.
 
Rain Cold said:
Nobody is saying Trump is a bastion of morality. When you say stuff like that, it proves that you are being told how to think and what to say by the top line soundbites you collect from your group think tank.
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Heā€™s not talking about what he ā€œthinksā€ heā€™s directly referencing the things Trump has said and done. Itā€™s not an interpretation
 
Chattownsnow said:
Sheā€™s talking about turning the page from the Trump dump storm he left and continuing and building on what her and Biden have done. You can disagree with what they have done but thatā€™s what she obviously means
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You should be writing her teleprompter script because you answered it better than she ever has. It's inaccurate but it sounded good
 
SimeonNC said:
Tell me, when in history has a mass deportation of tens of millions of people gone completely without a hitch, gone completely without human rights being abused, deaths, ect.
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Tell me a time when a country wasn't weakend by taking up for its enemies?
 
Chattownsnow said:
Sheā€™s talking about turning the page from the Trump dump storm he left and continuing and building on what her and Biden have done. You can disagree with what they have done but thatā€™s what she obviously means
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What are they building on exactly? Hiding the President who canā€™t answer questions? The ā€œInflation Reductionā€ act? Oh I know! Chinese peaceful weather balloons traveling over military sites!
 
SimeonNC said:
Tell me, when in history has a mass deportation of tens of millions of people gone completely without a hitch, gone completely without human rights being abused, deaths, ect.
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Tell me in history and in our current world, what nation has wide open borders with millions of illegals depleting it's resources from its own citizens? I'll wait
 
Bham 99 said:
Tell me a time when you didn't weaken a country by taking up for its enemies?
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Yes because the tens of millions of undocumented immigrants who came here largely for the same reasons the millions of immigrants in the immigration wave of the 1880s-1920s came here, ergo, to have a better life are enemies of our country. Since you don't want to answer my question, I'll answer it myself. Here's an article recalling the last time a mass deportation was attempted in the U.S

During Operation Wetback, tens of thousands of immigrants were shoved into buses, boats and planes and sent to often-unfamiliar parts of Mexico, where they struggled to rebuild their lives. In Chicago, three planes a week were filled with immigrants and flown to Mexico. In Texas, 25 percent of all of the immigrants deported were crammed onto boats later compared to slave ships, while others died of sunstroke, disease and other causes while in custody.

Itā€™s not clear how many American citizens were swept up in Operation Wetback, but the United States later claimed that 1.3 million people total were deported. However, some historians dispute that claim. Though hundreds of thousands of people were ensnared, says historian Kelly Lytle Hernandez, the number of deportees was drastically lower than the United States reportedā€”likely closer to 300,000. Due to immigrants who were caught, deported, and captured again after re-emigrating, itā€™s impossible to estimate the total number of people deported under the program.
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Mass deportations of Mexican immigrants from the U.S. date to the Great Depression, when the federal government began a wave of deportations rather than include Mexican-born workers in New Deal welfare programs. According to historian Francisco Balderrama, the U.S. deported over 1 million Mexican nationals, 60 percent of whom were U.S. citizens of Mexican descent, during the 1930s. Balderrama toldFresh Airā€™s Terry Gross that the program was referred to as ā€œrepatriationā€ to give it the sense of being voluntary. In reality, though, it was anything but.

Despite a widespread belief among native-born Americans that Mexicans came to the United States to steal jobs from American workers, many were invited to the country to work in its fields. In 1942, the U.S. Mexican Farm Labor Program, also known as Operation Bracero after the Spanish term for ā€œmanual laborer,ā€ began. The program funneled Mexicans into the United States on a legal, temporary basis in exchange for guaranteed wages and humane treatmentā€”an attempt by the Mexican government to stave off the discrimination faced by earlier immigrants.
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www.history.com

The Largest Mass Deportation in American History | HISTORY

As many as 1.3 million people may have been swept up in the Eisenhowerā€‘era campaign.
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Excuse me for caring about human rights and not wanting our country to be accused of genocide by the international community
 
SimeonNC said:
Yes because the tens of millions of undocumented immigrants who came here largely for the same reasons the millions of immigrants in the immigration wave of the 1880s-1920s came here, ergo, to have a better life are enemies of our country. Since you don't want to answer my question, I'll answer it myself. Here's an article recalling the last time a mass deportation was attempted in the U.S





www.history.com

The Largest Mass Deportation in American History | HISTORY

As many as 1.3 million people may have been swept up in the Eisenhowerā€‘era campaign.
www.history.com www.history.com

Excuse me for caring about human rights and not wanting our country to be accused of genocide by the international community
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You are excused
 
Also tell me, what should happen to the children of these immigrants who are born here and thus are U.S citizens when their parents and other family members are deported?
 
ā€œDuring Operation Wetback, tens of thousands of immigrants were shoved into buses, boats and planes and sent to often-unfamiliar parts of Mexico, where they struggled to rebuild their lives. In Chicago, three planes a week were filled with immigrants and flown to Mexico. In Texas, 25 percent of all of the immigrants deported were crammed onto boats later compared to slave ships, while others died of sunstroke, disease and other causes while in custody.ā€

That doesnā€™t sound much worse than your typical carnival cruise
 
Metwannabe said:
Tell me in history and in our current world, what nation has wide open borders with millions of illegals depleting it's resources from its own citizens? I'll wait
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Opposing mass deportations of people who are already here which would lead to a humanitarian crisis, would separate children from their families, would probably KILL some people =/= advocating for open borders.
 
SimeonNC said:
Yes because the tens of millions of undocumented immigrants who came here largely for the same reasons the millions of immigrants in the immigration wave of the 1880s-1920s came here, ergo, to have a better life are enemies of our country. Since you don't want to answer my question, I'll answer it myself. Here's an article recalling the last time a mass deportation was attempted in the U.S





www.history.com

The Largest Mass Deportation in American History | HISTORY

As many as 1.3 million people may have been swept up in the Eisenhowerā€‘era campaign.
www.history.com www.history.com

Excuse me for caring about human rights and not wanting our country to be accused of genocide by the international community
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Okay well I hope you sleep well tonight.
 
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Mass Deportation: Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy

The mass deportation of millions of undocumented individuals would be tremendously expensive and would have a catastrophic impact on our economyā€”one that would be expansive and impact every American. The American Immigration Council analyzes the fiscal costs and economic impacts of such a mass...
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About 5.1 million U.S. citizen children live with an undocumented family member. Separating family members would lead to tremendous emotional stress and could also cause economic hardship for many of these mixed-status families who might lose their breadwinners.
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  • About 11 million undocumented immigrants lived in the United States as of 2022ā€”3.3 percent of the countryā€™s overall population. An additional 2.3 million removable immigrants were released into the United States between January 2023 and April 2024 and would also be targeted in any mass deportation operation.
  • A one-time operation to deport these immigrants would cost at least $315 billion, broken down as follows:
    • The government would have to spend $89.3 billion to conduct sufficient arrests.
    • The government would have to spend $167.8 billion to detain immigrants en masse.
    • The government would have to spend $34.1 billion on legal processing.
    • The government would have to spend $24.1 billion on removals.
  • Deporting one million immigrants per year would incur an annual cost of $88 billion, with the majority of that cost going towards building detention camps. It would take over ten years, and the building of hundreds to thousands of new detention facilities, to arrest, detain, process, and remove all 13.3 million targeted immigrantsā€”even assuming that 20 percent of that population would depart voluntarily during any multi-year mass deportation effort. The total cost over 10.6 years (assuming an annual inflation rate of 2.5 percent) would be $967.9 billion. The annual costs would break down as follows:
    • The government would have to spend an average of $7 billion per year to conduct one million arrests annually.
    • The government would have to spend an average of $66 billion per year to detain one million immigrants annually, or surveil them on alternatives to detention programs while detention capacity ramps up to one million.
    • The government would have to spend an average of $12.6 billion per year to carry out legal processing for an average of one million immigrants annually.
    • The government would have to spend an average of $2.1 billion per year to remove one million immigrants annually.
  • To carry out over 13 million arrests in a short period of time would require somewhere between 220,000 and 409,000 new government employees and law enforcement officers, which would be nearly impossible given current hiring challenges across law enforcement agencies. Even carrying out one million at-large arrests per year would require ICE to hire over 30,000 new law enforcement agents and staff, instantly making it the largest law enforcement agency in the federal government.
  • Mass deportation would exacerbate the U.S. labor shortage. In 2022, nearly 90 percent of undocumented immigrants were of working age, compared to 61.3 percent of the U.S.-born population aged between 16 and 64, making undocumented immigrants more likely to actively participate in the labor force. Losing these working-age undocumented immigrants would worsen the severe workforce challenges that many industries have already been struggling with in the past few years.
  • Mass deportation would hurt several key U.S. industries that rely heavily on undocumented workers. The construction and agriculture industries would lose at least one in eight workers, while in hospitality, about one in 14 workers would be deported due to their undocumented status. Among those industries, certain trades would be hit even harder. Mass deportation would remove more than 30 percent of the workers in major construction trades, such as plasterers, roofers, and painters; nearly 28 percent of graders and sorters of agriculture products; and a fourth of all housekeeping cleaners.
  • Among the deported would be 1 million undocumented immigrant entrepreneurs, who generated $27.1 billion in total business income in 2022. Losing the 157,800 undocumented immigrant entrepreneurs in neighborhood businesses would lead to disruptions to services that have become an integral part of community life and provide local jobs for Americans.
  • The U.S. would lose out on key contributions undocumented households make to social safety net programs annually, including $22.6 billion to Social Security and $5.7 billion to Medicare. As the U.S. population ages, the loss of these payments would make it increasingly challenging to keep social safety net programs solvent.
  • Mass deportation would deprive federal, state, and local governments of billions in local tax contributions from undocumented households. In 2022 alone, undocumented immigrant households paid $46.8 billion in federal taxes and $29.3 billion in state and local taxes. After taxes, they were left with $256.8 billion in spending power, money that could be spent in local communities.
  • Deporting undocumented immigrants would separate 4 million mixed-status families, affecting 8.5 million U.S. citizens with undocumented family members (5.1 million of whom are U.S. citizen children). It would slash the income of their households by an average of 62.7 percent ($51,200 per year).
  • Overall, mass deportation would lead to a loss of 4.2 percent to 6.8 percent of annual U.S. GDP, or $1.1 trillion to $1.7 trillion in 2022 dollars. In comparison, the U.S. GDP shrunk by 4.3 percent during the Great Recession between 2007 and 2009.
  • The negative impact would be the most significant in California, Texas, and Florida, the three states that were home to 47.2 percent of the country's undocumented immigrants in 2022 and where one in every 20 residents would be deported.
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SimeonNC said:
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Mass Deportation: Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy

The mass deportation of millions of undocumented individuals would be tremendously expensive and would have a catastrophic impact on our economyā€”one that would be expansive and impact every American. The American Immigration Council analyzes the fiscal costs and economic impacts of such a mass...
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
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Or the federal government could arrest the business owners who hire them and the illegals will leave free of charge.
 
SimeonNC said:
I'm gonna wake up to someone dismissing that entire well researched article as hogwash and that Trump is right about all immigrants being evil or something.

Anyway, goodnight
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It will just be ignored or you will get a clown imoji. Thatā€™s about all Iā€™ve gotten when I make points
 
SimeonNC said:
Tell me, when in history has a mass deportation of tens of millions of people gone completely without a hitch, gone completely without human rights being abused, deaths, ect.
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Bruh

They are here illegally.

I don't care about their -------- deportation woes.

THE FIRST THING THEY DID ON AMERICAN SOIL IS COMMIT A CRIME.
 
I know this place is at least has more vocal republican Trump loyalists but Iā€™m telling you I have been on both sides of the aisle and seen polls both showing republicans doing better now and democrats doing better now. And Iā€™m telling you, whether you choose to listen to it or not, Kamala is most likely going to win this. To put it simply, the Trump campaign begged and pleaded voters to come out early and vote and they still mostly under represented themselves in early voting numbers. They should have shown up MUCH stronger. In a lot of places they didnā€™t even show up any better than they did in 2020. I would be shocked at this point if Kamala loses. You all are again, as always, showing your extreme bias and ignoring the things showing this going very poorly for Trump. Unless something very unexpected happens. Trump loses this fairly easily.
Iā€™ll be referencing this back on Wednesday when you all have to eat crow
 
Avalanche said:
So commit a crime and let it go unpunished huh?
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I'm thinking you must be talking about Trump here. Well I guess we'll see. If he's elected, I'm sure he will pardon himself of the crimes he's been convicted of and the ones that are waiting for him to be convicted of in the future.
 
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