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Presidential Election 2024

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Chattownsnow said:
Are you really going to argue that 8 years of Obama spending should count the same as 4 years of Trump spending? Like really?
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The thing is I don’t think Trump should even be blamed in a sense for bad policy on his goverment spending during the pandemic. I think it was mostly necessary although a lot of it was spent poorly and such, and again, not his fault. I really think he did what he had to do at the time to keep things afloat.
 
Chattownsnow said:
Excellent point and well thought out argument. Just like every rebuttal to what I’ve said. The clown emojis and thumb downs have been excellent points and hard to argue against but I’m doing my best. You guys are really giving me a tough time backing up my point of view with your amazing counter arguments…
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offended by emojis. We know who them or they voted for.
 
NorthDFWwx said:
You said:

"Trump increased the national debt more than any president in history… by a WIDE margin."

^^^And that was a bold face lie. Just own up to the mistake...
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I’ll concede that that I should have been more clear if you really want to okay gotcha but it’s insane to think that 4 years of Trump is comparable in total dollar amounts to 8 years of Obama. Like Jesus man you know better
 
Chattownsnow said:
The thing is I don’t think Trump should even be blamed in a sense for bad policy on his goverment spending during the pandemic. I think it was mostly necessary although a lot of it was spent poorly and such, and again, not his fault. I really think he did what he had to do at the time to keep things afloat.
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I didn't support it. It wasn’t allocated where I thought it should’ve gone anyway.
 
Chattownsnow said:
Excellent point and well thought out argument. Just like every rebuttal to what I’ve said. The clown emojis and thumb downs have been excellent points and hard to argue against but I’m doing my best. You guys are really giving me a tough time backing up my point of view with your amazing counter arguments…
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Nobody is trying to argue with ignorant views on politics on a weather forum
 
You guys give it your best shot at defending the 2 weakest candidates I have ever seen run in a POTUS election in my long lifetime (well I'll say 2020 was just as bad). The bar has been set so low in this country, people actually are arguing over the choice between an old crazy clown and a woman who is a legit airhead. Excellence in leadership and integrity are now relics on the American political front. Hopefully in 4 years, the US can hit the reset button with legit qualified candidates and I will get mark a ballot somewhere besides where it says "Write in your candidate's name here"....
 
ghost1 said:
You guys give it your best shot at defending the 2 weakest candidates I have ever seen run in a POTUS election in my long lifetime (well I'll say 2020 was just as bad). The bar has been set so low in this country, people actually are arguing over the choice between an old crazy clown and a woman who is a legit airhead. Excellence in leadership and integrity are now relics on the American political front. Hopefully in 4 years, the US can hit the reset button with legit qualified candidates and I will get mark a ballot somewhere besides where it say "Write in your candidate's name here"....
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The only remote chance of that happening is if Kamala loses...
 
Chattownsnow said:
Why. Why is housing a nightmare. For once I’ll let someone explain how Harris and Biden did that. I’ll wait
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You’re always waiting on someone else to prove their opposing views….but you haven’t provided this thread with anything but biased ramblings, and some comedy that can be found in your ignorance.
 
NorthDFWwx said:
You said:

"Trump increased the national debt more than any president in history… by a WIDE margin."

^^^And that was a bold face lie. Just own up to the mistake...
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You are right, it would be a lie to say that Trump increased the national debt the most of any president for his entire term. I neglected important context. Trump increased the debt more than any president in history for his first term. The fact that he is second over-all is still incredible when he didn’t in half the time as most anyone else. Again, I don’t even blame him. The pandemic was an anomaly and spending had to happen. In caused massive inflation because of it. The whole world did the same thing and the same thing happened. I don’t blame him. But to blame Biden and Harris for it is asinine.
 
RoddyPiper said:
You’re always waiting on someone else to prove their opposing views….but you haven’t provided this thread with anything but biased ramblings, and some comedy that can be found in your ignorance.
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I posted Harris’s plan and trumps and gave reasons why I think hers is better and his sucks. That’s how you debate. And provided links to why and where the information is coming from. Someone else kindly referenced an inflationary bill of unprecedented tariffs during the Great Depression that was considered the straw that broke the camels back. That I was looking for. What more do you want? I could thumbs down other peoples posts if that’s helps 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Avalanche said:
I didn't support it. It wasn’t allocated where I thought it should’ve gone anyway.
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Maybe. They didn’t have a lot of time to get it used in the best way it should have. I hate defending the Trump admin but I’m not going to pretend to think everything he or his administration did or tried to do is garbage. I feel like at least that was done with good intentions and done hastily when it needed to be done. It may sound crazy but I’ve been republican most of my life. I would vote for Nikki Haley over Biden if that was the ticket. Trumps is just trash.
 
Chattownsnow said:
If you decide to apply tariffs to EVERYTHING coming out of China you are going to see remarkable inflation. Just look it up don’t trust my words. Tariffs make sense in a lot of ways. But not as a source of revenue and not on things that we do not have the infrastructure in place to already sell and make home grown.
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Do you know what the US has to sell. And how do you determine what it should be sold for?
 
GoDuke said:
you just refuse to accept the results of your conversation.
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I see what you did there and that’s pretty clever 🤣. But no one’s said why Biden and/or Harris are bad for the things they are complaining about while I’m telling you why I think Trump is. It’s just that housing is high while they are president…okay. What did they do to cause that? If you have a reason I want to be informed. Maybe they did cause that and I just don’t know.
 
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NorthDFWwx said:
So I'll level with you...

I think the high / broadstroke Tariffs Trump has discussed are merely a political talking point to appease swing voters in the Rust Belt. And per polling, it's working well enough that he has a real shot at flipping all 3 blue wall states again.

But realistically, if he wins, we'll probably just see a continuation of what he did in his first term

And to be fair, I feel the same way about Kamala's price controls proposal.
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Which is what the Biden administration continues with.
 
Chattownsnow said:
I’m just saying that’s all you have against my arguments. It’s pathetic
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Your arguments don't hold very much water. You keep coming back to tariffs as the centerpiece of your economic argument against Trump. I completely understand that that is a msm talking point. But you have a fantastic analog of 4 years of a Trump presidency that you are willfully ignoring.

There were tariffs and the economy didn't tank. In fact, it was really strong. Biden could have eliminated all tariffs, but he didn't.

Also, the extreme tariffs you are worried about are unlikely to even happen. Trump often threatens things that he never follows through on, which is a pretty effective negotiating strategy.

Meanwhile, you're so hung up on what you're being told by the "experts" that you have failed to observe a more obvious reality. That is, Harris, who can barely even talk about anything technical or complex without a script, has zero economic background. Her great ideas of price controls and taxing unrealized gains and losses, would not only be immediately disastrous, but they would take us down a very slippery slope and open the door to policy abuse in those areas.

We've been talking about this for 10 pages, and it's ridiculous because it's not that hard to understand. The Understanding Pathway being blocked by a strong dislike of Trump.

The bottom line is, you can listen to the media and the left wing surrogates all day and come in here and repeat it until the cows come home. But it doesn't change the fact that we had a better economy under Trump than under Biden and Harris. You can shout tariffs tariffs tariffs just like you shouted Russia Russia Russia. But it doesn't change the fact that both history and reality show that you are categorically wrong.
 
NorthDFWwx said:
Interesting...



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Another big win for the democrats.

If SNL would have had Trump on, you know 100% the Bros would be in here talking about violations of the Hatch Act, Hippa, illegally removing mattress tags, or some other nonsense and would be demanding impeachment and prison for Trump.
 
NorthDFWwx said:
Now you're moving the goal posts.

You made the claim that Trump's tariffs would lead to an economic downturn and high infation.

That is, on its face, a baseless claim per historical data under Trump between January 2017 and February 2020.
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Here’s an example, I explained why it is not baseless. Provided president for why I believe it would worsen inflation and how his policy would effect things and Harris policy would effect things. An example of extreme tariffs from the past was provide and what it caused. I’ve said economists agree overwhelmingly that trumps plan would be bad for the economy and United States and Harris’s would be better. I can find that if you want but it’s easily searched anywhere. It’s literally the only policy I know of that he even has so if you want to discuss others I’m all ears.
 
Rain Cold said:
Your arguments don't hold very much water. You keep coming back to tariffs as the centerpiece of your economic argument against Trump. I completely understand that that is a msm talking point. But you have a fantastic analog of 4 years of a Trump presidency that you are willfully ignoring.

There were tariffs and the economy didn't tank. In fact, it was really strong. Biden could have eliminated all tariffs, but he didn't.

Also, the extreme tariffs you are worried about are unlikely to even happen. Trump often threatens things that he never follows through on, which is a pretty effective negotiating strategy.

Meanwhile, you're so hung up on what you're being told by the "experts" that you have failed to observe a more obvious reality. That is, Harris, who can barely even talk about anything technical or complex without a script, has zero economic background. Her great ideas of price controls and taxing unrealized gains and losses, would not only be immediately disastrous, but they would take us down a very slippery slope and open the door to policy abuse in those areas.

We've been talking about this for 10 pages, and it's ridiculous because it's not that hard to understand. The Understanding Pathway being blocked by a strong dislike of Trump.

The bottom line is, you can listen to the media and the left wing surrogates all day and come in here and repeat it until the cows come home. But it doesn't change the fact that we had a better economy under Trump than under Biden and Harris. You can shout tariffs tariffs tariffs just like you shouted Russia Russia Russia. But it doesn't change the fact that both history and reality show that you are categorically wrong.
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I gave you reasons why the unrealized tax proposal is good. And why trumps tariff proposal is bad. You say he just says things to use to negotiate and doesn’t mean them. Do you think China doesn’t understand how tariffs work or something? You think they don’t realize that would be idiotic and he couldn’t do what he’s proposing because it would be detrimental to our economy? For real? Like they buy that?
 
Chattownsnow said:
I gave you reasons why the unrealized tax proposal is good. And why trumps tariff proposal is bad. You say he just says things to use to negotiate and doesn’t mean them. Do you think China doesn’t understand how tariffs work or something? You think they don’t realize that would be idiotic and he couldn’t do what he’s proposing because it would be detrimental to our economy? For real? Like they buy that?
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Also you say Harris cannot talk technical about anything without a script… and then you have trumps answer to something as simple as his specific policy on childcare

Q: What specific legislation will you commit to to make child care affordable?


Trump: Well, I would do that and we're sitting down, you know, I was, somebody, we had Marco Rubio and my daughter, Ivanka... But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about that because the child care is, child care couldn't, you know, there's something you have to have it in this country, you have to have it... I want to stay with child care... So we'll take care of it. Thank you.

Like just say you don’t have one yet or something. Literally farting to the mic is better than this
 
Rain Cold said:
Another big win for the democrats.

If SNL would have had Trump on, you know 100% the Bros would be in here talking about violations of the Hatch Act, Hippa, illegally removing mattress tags, or some other nonsense and would be demanding impeachment and prison for Trump.
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NBC gave Trump 90 secs of free airtime today....
 
I am for Kamala for four years. Republicans must change their platform for me and others to vote R again. I and I assume many others will never stop until abortion rights are restored. Then we can start talking economy and policy. I honestly believe Trump would be winning this thing had he not packed the court and overturned roe v wade. If he had any brain he would told the corrupt supreme court to wait till his 2nd term to do this. Even Trump is not for a total ban but it’s his can of worms to deal with now. Same for pot. Trump is in favor but the platform and De Santis is turning everyone to Harris.
 
Rain Cold said:
Your arguments don't hold very much water. You keep coming back to tariffs as the centerpiece of your economic argument against Trump. I completely understand that that is a msm talking point. But you have a fantastic analog of 4 years of a Trump presidency that you are willfully ignoring.

There were tariffs and the economy didn't tank. In fact, it was really strong. Biden could have eliminated all tariffs, but he didn't.

Also, the extreme tariffs you are worried about are unlikely to even happen. Trump often threatens things that he never follows through on, which is a pretty effective negotiating strategy.

Meanwhile, you're so hung up on what you're being told by the "experts" that you have failed to observe a more obvious reality. That is, Harris, who can barely even talk about anything technical or complex without a script, has zero economic background. Her great ideas of price controls and taxing unrealized gains and losses, would not only be immediately disastrous, but they would take us down a very slippery slope and open the door to policy abuse in those areas.

We've been talking about this for 10 pages, and it's ridiculous because it's not that hard to understand. The Understanding Pathway being blocked by a strong dislike of Trump.

The bottom line is, you can listen to the media and the left wing surrogates all day and come in here and repeat it until the cows come home. But it doesn't change the fact that we had a better economy under Trump than under Biden and Harris. You can shout tariffs tariffs tariffs just like you shouted Russia Russia Russia. But it doesn't change the fact that both history and reality show that you are categorically wrong.
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You say she has zero economic background. Fine, she appoints people who do to important positions in her cabinet that do. Like every president does to fill positions they are experts in. Which is where she likely got her tax proposals from in the first place. There’s a reason economic experts think her proposal is better than trumps. You say her policies would be disaster but provide no reason why while I provide my reasoning why his are terrible. You just say “they bad”. I say why policy abuse would be harder with her proposal infact. There is already policy abuse on taxes. She is trying to fix it. Look at who Trump wants as overwatch of the CDC and Public health agencies… do you know who? Robert F. Kennedy. How qualified do you think he is?
 
BirdManDoomW said:
I am for Kamala for four years. Republicans must change their platform for me and others to vote R again. I and I assume many others will never stop until abortion rights are restored. Then we can start talking economy and policy. I honestly believe Trump would be winning this thing had he not packed the court and overturned roe v wade. If he had any brain he would told the corrupt supreme court to wait till his 2nd term to do this. Even Trump is not for a total ban but it’s his can of worms to deal with now. Same for pot. Trump is in favor but the platform and De Santis is turning everyone to Harris.
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Hmmm. It wasn't up to him that the case even got brought up to the supreme Court. Hmmmm... And Trump did have to appoint the latest person because of a death... Your point is moot.
 
Rain Cold said:
Your arguments don't hold very much water. You keep coming back to tariffs as the centerpiece of your economic argument against Trump. I completely understand that that is a msm talking point. But you have a fantastic analog of 4 years of a Trump presidency that you are willfully ignoring.

There were tariffs and the economy didn't tank. In fact, it was really strong. Biden could have eliminated all tariffs, but he didn't.

Also, the extreme tariffs you are worried about are unlikely to even happen. Trump often threatens things that he never follows through on, which is a pretty effective negotiating strategy.

Meanwhile, you're so hung up on what you're being told by the "experts" that you have failed to observe a more obvious reality. That is, Harris, who can barely even talk about anything technical or complex without a script, has zero economic background. Her great ideas of price controls and taxing unrealized gains and losses, would not only be immediately disastrous, but they would take us down a very slippery slope and open the door to policy abuse in those areas.

We've been talking about this for 10 pages, and it's ridiculous because it's not that hard to understand. The Understanding Pathway being blocked by a strong dislike of Trump.

The bottom line is, you can listen to the media and the left wing surrogates all day and come in here and repeat it until the cows come home. But it doesn't change the fact that we had a better economy under Trump than under Biden and Harris. You can shout tariffs tariffs tariffs just like you shouted Russia Russia Russia. But it doesn't change the fact that both history and reality show that you are categorically wrong.
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I come back to tariffs because he has nothing else I have heard. I’m all ears if you have anything else policy related that he has worth talking about. You said Harris policy would be disastrous. Why? Because you said so? Somehow I’m not convinced. But if you give me a reason I might be
 
Saying this for no particular reason at all…

I actually think there’s a good chance you don’t get the 1970s esque re-spike in inflation this decade, but I’d be prepared for the very real possibility that you don’t get a long stretch of inflation below 2% to balance out for the 18 months (could even argue longer with it just appearing in the MoM data until March-ish in 2021 where it made an impact YoY) of very high inflation from 2021-mid 2022, no matter who is president for the next 4 years.

Only way I think it becomes possible is with a recession that is close to as nasty as 2008 panning out. Otherwise, I just don’t see it.
 
The Trump administration's tariffs were panned by the majority of economists and analysts, with general consensus among experts—including U.S. Director of the National Economic Council Larry Kudlow—being that the tariffs either had no direct benefits on the U.S. economy and GDP growth or they had a small to moderately negative impact on the economy.[153][200][201] In a March 2018 Reuterssurvey, almost 80% of 60 economists believed the tariffs on steel and aluminum imports would be a net harm to the U.S. economy, with the rest believing the tariffs would have little or no effect; none of the economists surveyed believed the tariffs would benefit the U.S. economy.[202] In May 2018, more than 1,000 economists wrote a letter warning Trump about the dangers of pursuing a trade war, arguing that the tariffs were echoing historical policy errors, such as the Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act, which helped lead to the Great Depression.[203]

You put economists in quotes for some reason as if they are fake or something. Like who am I gonna believe. You because you said it? Or 1,000 economists who get paid good money to be just that. We keep talking about tariffs yeah but we could literally move to almost any other topic.
 
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