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Presidential Election 2024

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Downeastnc said:
Trump is struggling...women will prevent a wannabe dictator from getting in office.

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That doesn't look as good for Kamala as you think.

Another way to look at it, Kamala's votes have been largely exhausted whereas Trump still has plenty more votes in the tank...
 
NorthDFWwx said:
That doesn't look as good for Kamala as you think.

Another way to look at it, Kamala's votes have been largely exhausted whereas Trump still has plenty more votes in the tank...
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A failure to realize how much of a lead trump has with male voters on election day.
 
Arcc said:
Oh I don’t know, the one where they actually forced churches to close during Covid.

Oh I don’t know, the one where they were a couple of SC Justices away from having you fired if you didn’t get a Covid shot?
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They never threatened to get me fired if I didn't get a shot. They closed everything during covid not just churches.
 
I work in the financial industry and I can tell you that the numbers you see are not reflective of the difficulty facing a growing number of people and communities, particularly on the lower rungs of the ladder.

Employment rates, jobless claims, cpi, etc are changed and/or spun to help push forward a narrative. They don't tell an accurate story of real life.

If you look around and see more homelessness, more division, more fear, more concern about safety, and more anger (and when we objectively look around, we are seeing those things increase), those are empirical markers of economic stress.

So don't try and tell me we are on the right track economically or prosperity-wise. If we were, you wouldn't see such high levels of discontent that are becoming an increasingly destabilizing factor in our society.
 
It is more difficult to read the tea leaves this year than ever with such a close election and so many differing sources of information. If you held a gun to my head I think Harris will win in a close and controversial election that will have our country in turmoil for years afterwards. I am casting my vote for Trump because I agree with his platform on policy issues more times than not and I hope he wins. It's going to be hard for Trump to get one of the three blue wall states he needs if all else goes to plan.
 
Shaggy said:
They never threatened to get me fired if I didn't get a shot. They closed everything during covid not just churches.
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That is because the conservative SC slapped it down quickly.

Secondly, yes they did close everything, but the right to assemble and practice religion is actually a constitutional right.

But, you know all this.
 
Rain Cold said:
I work in the financial industry and I can tell you that the numbers you see are not reflective of the difficulty facing a growing number of people and communities, particularly on the lower rungs of the ladder.

Employment rates, jobless claims, cpi, etc are changed and/or spun to help push forward a narrative. They don't tell an accurate story of real life.

If you look around and see more homelessness, more division, more fear, more concern about safety, and more anger (and when we objectively look around, we are seeing those things increase), those are empirical markers of economic stress.

So don't try and tell me we are on the right track economically or prosperity-wise. If we were, you wouldn't see such high levels of discontent that are becoming an increasingly destabilizing factor in our society.
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How is Donald trumps plans of 10-20% tariffs across the board and 60% for China and more tax breaks for the ones not struggling going to make life easier for those struggling?
 
Rain Cold said:
I work in the financial industry and I can tell you that the numbers you see are not reflective of the difficulty facing a growing number of people and communities, particularly on the lower rungs of the ladder.

Employment rates, jobless claims, cpi, etc are changed and/or spun to help push forward a narrative. They don't tell an accurate story of real life.

If you look around and see more homelessness, more division, more fear, more concern about safety, and more anger (and when we objectively look around, we are seeing those things increase), those are empirical markers of economic stress.

So don't try and tell me we are on the right track economically or prosperity-wise. If we were, you wouldn't see such high levels of discontent that are becoming an increasingly destabilizing factor in our society.
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There is a serious issue with housing costs and post-covid inflation is hitting the lower income parts the hardest as mentioned. Younger voters will lean more towards a more stable economy and those that work to a real solution. Unfortunately neither candidate addresses the who of the housing cost issue source properly.
 
Shaggy said:
How is Donald trumps plans of 10-20% tariffs across the board and 60% for China and more tax breaks for the ones not struggling going to make life easier for those struggling?
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How is Harris' plan of crashing the stock market and the economy by taxing unrealized gains going to make life easier for those struggling?
 
weather bubba said:
It is more difficult to read the tea leaves this year than ever with such a close election and so many differing sources of information. If you held a gun to my head I think Harris will win in a close and controversial election that will have our country in turmoil for years afterwards. I am casting my vote for Trump because I agree with his platform on policy issues more times than not and I hope he wins. It's going to be hard for Trump to get one of the three blue wall states he needs if all else goes to plan.
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I agree with you. I'm a Trump supporter but I think Kamala wins in a very close Election. Probably 270-268. And yes there will a lot of turmoil afterwards.
 
Shaggy said:
Asked you first
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That's what I thought. The threat of tariffs is often all you need. Besides, I remember you whining about the same thing the first go-round, and we did pretty well economy-wise, didn't we?

Now answer my question.
 
Rain Cold said:
That's what I thought. The threat of tariffs is often all you need. Besides, I remember you whining about the same thing the first go-round, and we did pretty well economy-wise, didn't we?

Now answer my question.
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No I asked you first. His tariffs caused us to have to bail out farmers, it did nothing to bring jobs back to the US as companies just sourced stuff from Vietnam, India, Taiwan and so on. His threats of even more and larger tariffs will destroy the economy which is booming despite your claims.

In fact all.the numbers you credit trump for woth a great economy are better under Biden than they were with trump.
 
Shaggy said:
No I asked you first. His tariffs caused us to have to bail out farmers, it did nothing to bring jobs back to the US as companies just sourced stuff from Vietnam, India, Taiwan and so on. His threats of even more and larger tariffs will destroy the economy which is booming despite your claims.

In fact all.the numbers you credit trump for woth a great economy are better under Biden than they were with trump.
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So how will Harris' unrealized g/l tax help? You're voting for her, so you must like and support it.

And by the way, we've been bailing out and subsidizing farmers for decades.

And the average man on the street would probably disagree with you about being in better shape under Biden than under Trump.
 
Rain Cold said:
So how will Harris' unrealized g/l tax help? You're voting for her, so you must like and support it.

And by the way, we've been bailing out and subsidizing farmers for decades.

And the average man on the street would probably disagree with you about being in better shape under Biden than under Trump.
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Again, the average man on the street would disagree primarily because we're paying more at the grocery store and for gas. But, again, speaking on the metrics by which we measure the economy...it's quite strong. As always, some don't benefit from that great economy, same as when we had a pretty solid economy under Trump.

Harris unrealized tax plan won't actually come to fruition. It has merits in what it's trying to accomplish but needs fleshed out and be more detailed. But, you act like it is impacting the "average man" but it only applies only to individuals with at least $100 million in wealth who do not pay at least a 25% tax rate on their income
 
WNC_Fort said:
Again, the average man on the street would disagree primarily because we're paying more at the grocery store and for gas. But, again, speaking on the metrics by which we measure the economy...it's quite strong. As always, some don't benefit from that great economy, same as when we had a pretty solid economy under Trump.

Harris unrealized tax plan won't actually come to fruition. It has merits in what it's trying to accomplish but needs fleshed out and be more detailed. But, you act like it is impacting the "average man" but it only applies only to individuals with at least $100 million in wealth who do not pay at least a 25% tax rate on their income
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The bolded is all that matters for the sake of voting...
 
WNC_Fort said:
Again, the average man on the street would disagree primarily because we're paying more at the grocery store and for gas. But, again, speaking on the metrics by which we measure the economy...it's quite strong. As always, some don't benefit from that great economy, same as when we had a pretty solid economy under Trump.

Harris unrealized tax plan won't actually come to fruition. It has merits in what it's trying to accomplish but needs fleshed out and be more detailed. But, you act like it is impacting the "average man" but it only applies only to individuals with at least $100 million in wealth who do not pay at least a 25% tax rate on their income
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Why is everyone laying off workers, and then why are so many stores and restaurants closing up? It's because we are in horrible economy that in reality, no one can fix.
 
All of the public polling is done/worthless now.

Internal polling, that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, has leaked out enough recently for me to know Trump easily wins.

These newspaper, get paid to survey, and news channel polls have always been crap.

Every single one of them is within the margin of error. Hell, CNN's last poll have a 9 point margin of error.

Trump is internally leading in the following:

NC
VA
NH
GA
MI
WI
WITHIN 3 IN MINNESOTA
NV
AZ
WITHIN 1.5 IN NEW MEXICO
WITHIN 0.5 IN VIRGINIA

The surprising thing is Minnesota. Not even ragean got that one. But internal polls are consistently making it a close one if they're still underestimating Democrats switching to Trump.
 
WNC_Fort said:
Again, the average man on the street would disagree primarily because we're paying more at the grocery store and for gas. But, again, speaking on the metrics by which we measure the economy...it's quite strong. As always, some don't benefit from that great economy, same as when we had a pretty solid economy under Trump.

Harris unrealized tax plan won't actually come to fruition. It has merits in what it's trying to accomplish but needs fleshed out and be more detailed. But, you act like it is impacting the "average man" but it only applies only to individuals with at least $100 million in wealth who do not pay at least a 25% tax rate on their income
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Unfortunately, economic metrics and indicators do not vote. And as I said, they don't paint an accurate picture. The man on the street is not just being impacted at the grocery store.

Also, it is not just individuals that make more than $100 million. It's companies, institutions, and other entities as well. Those with $100 million or more are going to be forced to sell stocks, real estate, and other assets. If you would like to draw up a perfect scenario for a market and economic crash, then this is it.

If you want to stand on the argument that it'll never happen, that's fine. In that case, I'll make the same argument about the extreme Trump tariffs.
 
Rain Cold said:
Unfortunately, economic metrics and indicators do not vote. And as I said, they don't paint an accurate picture. The man on the street is not just being impacted at the grocery store.

Also, it is not just individuals that make more than $100 million. It's companies, institutions, and other entities as well. Those with $100 million or more are going to be forced to sell stocks, real estate, and other assets. If you would like to draw up a perfect scenario for a market and economic crash, then this is it.

If you want to stand on the argument that it'll never happen, that's fine. In that case, I'll make the same argument about the extreme Trump tariffs.
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Wouldn't the unrealized gains kill the Day/Swing trading too? Or do they have to already be millionaires?
 
$alt said:
All of the public polling is done/worthless now.

Internal polling, that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, has leaked out enough recently for me to know Trump easily wins.

These newspaper, get paid to survey, and news channel polls have always been crap.

Every single one of them is within the margin of error. Hell, CNN's last poll have a 9 point margin of error.

Trump is internally leading in the following:

NC
VA
NH
GA
MI
WI
WITHIN 3 IN MINNESOTA
NV
AZ
WITHIN 1.5 IN NEW MEXICO
WITHIN 0.5 IN VIRGINIA
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Which internal poll shows him ahead in MI and WI. Where is PA?
 
One thing I heard today that I had not heard was that when Trump did the tax cuts he enabled it to where people that got paid child support did not get taxed on it since it was already taxed once from the person that paid child support. I had never heard that before,that's pretty good.
 
$alt said:
All of the public polling is done/worthless now.

Internal polling, that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, has leaked out enough recently for me to know Trump easily wins.

These newspaper, get paid to survey, and news channel polls have always been crap.

Every single one of them is within the margin of error. Hell, CNN's last poll have a 9 point margin of error.

Trump is internally leading in the following:

NC
VA
NH
GA
MI
WI
WITHIN 3 IN MINNESOTA
NV
AZ
WITHIN 1.5 IN NEW MEXICO
WITHIN 0.5 IN VIRGINIA

The surprising thing is Minnesota. Not even ragean got that one. But internal polls are consistently making it a close one if they're still underestimating Democrats switching to Trump.
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Yeah I wish I had more access to internal polling.
 
severestorm said:
Which internal poll shows him ahead in MI and WI. Where is PA?
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I have no idea any specifics of who did/does the polling.

What I know is it's polling with minimal margin of error and it's very expensive to where the big boys don't usually have the actual data either.

For example. Nate Silver thinks all the public polling is using recycled data to keep the race close. He doesn't think every one of these polls coming out could realistically be a coin flip like they continued to be.
 
Iceagewhereartthou said:
While they're at it they can give the democrats whatever else they want; more taxes, more restrictions on personal firearms, less school choice, more race division, no borders, free everything for anyone who wants it, sex changes for kids and illegal persons, etc; just to make sure they can still get elected.

No... better to stand for principles and lose then give in and say you've won.
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Agree 100%
 
Bham 99 said:
One thing I heard today that I had not heard was that when Trump did the tax cuts he enabled it to where people that got paid child support did not get taxed on it since it was already taxed once from the person that paid child support. I had never heard that before,that's pretty good.
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You heard that but did you prove that it was real?
 
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