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VegasEagle said:
Small view of the world
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How so, there is better ways to do it, the entire aspect of what law enforcement means and is needs to be overhauled, I have several family members that are officers, one in LA....I am not anti cop and I certainly dont think we need to remove guns from cops in general but there are times when them being armed leads to people dying that shouldnt.
 
Downeastnc said:
How so, there is better ways to do it, the entire aspect of what law enforcement means and is needs to be overhauled, I have several family members that are officers, one in LA....I am not anti cop and I certainly dont think we need to remove guns from cops in general but there are times when them being armed leads to people dying that shouldnt.
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Just like times when armed criminals lead to cops dying that shouldnt.
 
Downeastnc said:
The problem is police forces do not police themselves the blue wall is a very real thing, its not just a few bad policeman, the entire culture needs a massive overhaul.....its the fact that if one cop does something wrong in front of 5 other cops more often than not nothing is said or reported, so that makes them all bad cops.....the amount of force police think they can use is gotten way out of hand, so many videos of cops just swinging away on people, grown ass men hitting women and stuff over what is essentially nothing. Sometimes you got to tear the house down to the foundation and just start over.....
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Either you havent spent much time in the midst of the blue wall or perhaps greeneville PD has given you a warped perception of the profession as a whole? What you are suggesting isnt even close to reality. Rogue officers are an extremely small % even in larger departments
 
Matthew70 said:
Jon I agree gun violence sucks. I was raised around guns and taught at an early age about them. My kids also. I think kids need to learn education of guns early in age. I do believe gun laws need to be more strict in some ways but banning them I’m totally against. The majority of individuals that have guns respect everyone. Do you own any guns Jon? What is your thinking on having guns and gun laws?
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I was raised around guns and hunted, had a duck hunting license in Texas at 8. I go to my in laws in WV and shoot all the time. I own a gun for self defense only. With all that said, I’m for stricter gun control laws and don’t believe there’s justification in owning AR-15 style rifles, even though I have family who build their own custom kits. I personally just don’t get it, but I’ve shot them...my opinion on why they shouldn’t be around outweighs any amount of fun I have doing so. It would be harder for me to give up my self defense weapon, I’d admit...but could I do it? Probably...
 
Downeastnc said:
How so, there is better ways to do it, the entire aspect of what law enforcement means and is needs to be overhauled, I have several family members that are officers, one in LA....I am not anti cop and I certainly dont think we need to remove guns from cops in general but there are times when them being armed leads to people dying that shouldnt.
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What happens when a officer does because he has no gun to protect himself? He thinks a routine traffic stop and the driver shoots and kills a unarmed officer. What then?


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Sandbar said:
Either you havent spent much time in the midst of the blue wall or perhaps greeneville PD has given you a warped perception of the profession as a whole? What you are suggesting isnt even close to reality. Rogue officers are an extremely small % even in larger departments
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I agree, but in general good cops know that other cops are dirty or go too far with force and they say nothing.....that is the blue wall, and it makes them complicit and part of the problem, and its pervasive and COMMON for officers to look the other way and not report abuses. Heck I have seen it happen first hand numerous times working in clubs and bars downtown in Greenville....cops learn early on that snitches need stitches, and that they must protect the blue wall.....hell you even see it in the hundreds of videos of cops using excessive force with their fellow officers standing there watching and not STOPPING it from happening.....so if 10% of cops are dirty or use to much force and the other 90% watch and say nothing then they are ALL part of the problem.
 
Jon said:
I was raised around guns and hunted, had a duck hunting license in Texas at 8. I go to my in laws in WV and shoot all the time. I own a gun for self defense only. With all that said, I’m for stricter gun control laws and don’t believe there’s justification in owning AR-15 style rifles, even though I have family who build their own custom kits. I personally just don’t get it, but I’ve shot them...my opinion on why they shouldn’t be around outweighs any amount of fun I have doing so. It would be harder for me to give up my self defense weapon, I’d admit...but could I do it? Probably...
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I am curious to know why there is no justification for owning an AR-15 but a handgun for self defense is ok?
 
Downeastnc said:
How so, there is better ways to do it, the entire aspect of what law enforcement means and is needs to be overhauled, I have several family members that are officers, one in LA....I am not anti cop and I certainly dont think we need to remove guns from cops in general but there are times when them being armed leads to people dying that shouldnt.
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Not trying to call you out. But, small view. Let me play a game with some swag numbers.There is like 700,000 officers in the USA. Maybe an average of 2.8 contacts with the general public a day. So let's just cut them numbers more than half and say there is a million contacts between the public and police officers a day. That is 365 million interactions a year. How many people die unjustly in a year from a police officer? I have read that 9 unarmed black people died from white cops last year, with half being cleared with eyewitness evidence (numbers are not verified). Not bad, even though any life lost is sad and terrible. But, humans are evil. There is evil police men, there is evil doctors, and heck there is evil mailmen. These ideas are about as bad as someone not wearing a mask in public or creating a game of jump to conclusions pad.
 
Jon said:
I was raised around guns and hunted, had a duck hunting license in Texas at 8. I go to my in laws in WV and shoot all the time. I own a gun for self defense only. With all that said, I’m for stricter gun control laws and don’t believe there’s justification in owning AR-15 style rifles, even though I have family who build their own custom kits. I personally just don’t get it, but I’ve shot them...my opinion on why they shouldn’t be around outweighs any amount of fun I have doing so. It would be harder for me to give up my self defense weapon, I’d admit...but could I do it? Probably...
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Appreciate your honesty.
 
Sandbar said:
I am curious to know why there is no justification for owning an AR-15 but a handgun for self defense is ok?
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I personally don’t find justification, but find the justification for a small handgun for personal safety. I can’t really debate the point you want me to debate with you, it’s a tired argument and there’s plenty of threads online that say why or why not, why it’s hypocritical to pick and choose, etc. I just don’t see it that way. Just my take.
 
Downeastnc said:
I agree, but in general good cops know that other cops are dirty or go too far with force and they say nothing.....that is the blue wall, and it makes them complicit and part of the problem, and its pervasive and COMMON for officers to look the other way and not report abuses. Heck I have seen it happen first hand numerous times working in clubs and bars downtown in Greenville....cops learn early on that snitches need stitches, and that they must protect the blue wall.....hell you even see it in the hundreds of videos of cops using excessive force with their fellow officers standing there watching and not STOPPING it from happening.....so if 10% of cops are dirty or use to much force and the other 90% watch and say nothing then they are ALL part of the problem.
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That does happen, and , always will. Maybe more police groups will start adding a countability law . That is the only good to come out of this mess. But, your views are on a bad scale of economics. It IS not a rampant by the hour 24/ 7 police beat down party. I think it might appear like that to you, for you are younger .
 
Heelyes said:
Trump's new ad is good, he uses actual footage of his country burning while he is in office to convince you it will happen if Biden is elected.
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Lol that ad is super dramatic. “If you’re calling for rape, press 1. Murder, press 2. Home invasion, press 3. Wait time 5 days. Goodbye.” Talk about “fear porn”
 
Jon said:
Lol that ad is super dramatic. “If you’re calling for rape, press 1. Murder, press 2. Home invasion, press 3. Wait time 5 days. Goodbye.” Talk about “fear porn”
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It’s the future with no police


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