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Sandbar said:
His press conferences are horrific but that's Trump. But I can tell you based on some pretty strong connections I have that our country was on this from the very beginning. The magnitude and logistics of something like this is unimaginable. Having been in the military my whole life believe me, I understand very well just how monumental this task was/is. Its been impressive what we have done and that credit goes to the team not just the man leading it.
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The average person just can't wrap their minds around the logistical challenges that disasters present. An emergency airlift operation was set up at Dobbins ARB after Hurricane Katrina made landfall and part of the time I was at DARB was spent working communications at their Joint Operations Center; it was incredibly eye-opening. The coordination of thousands of civilian & military personnel from multiple local, state, and federal agencies alone was daunting, and the massive movement of supplies and equipment via air and ground transport was incredible (the GA Air National Guard actually flew a fire truck from Savannah to New Orleans). And this was a disaster confined to a limited geographical area, with 95% of the rest of the country unaffected.

I remember at one point the the GA Army National Guard had to start sending armed MP escorts with the relief supply convoys going from Georgia to the Louisiana coast, because local law enforcement in Alabama and Mississippi were commandeering the supplies for their own storm-ravaged towns. Just total craziness.
 
Rain Cold said:
Resources like PPE, for starters. Ventilators. Extra beds. Etc. Not to mention a general acknowledgement of the situation. All of these things are FINALLY being ramped up. That's really good. I'm glad that red tape is finally getting cut. I'm glad that hosptital ships are finally showing up. I'm glad that the private sector is finally being engaged to start to manufacture items that are necessary a month ago. That's all great. Props to the admin. There's no reason we couldn't have gotten there in January. Zero.
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The WHO didn't declare a global emergency until Jan. 30th; they denied widespread H2H transmission almost right up until then. There was only one day left in January at that point.
 
Sandbar said:
If only you understood EXACTLY what we started with (woefully unequipped) you would probably have a little more appreciation for the fact that you/we are lucky you have somebody at the top (like him or hate him) that can make up for the woefully unequipped BS that he was stuck with. This is an unprecedented crisis. What the hell were you expecting?
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The man was briefed on this back in December. The only thing he's cared about is how it affects his election chances which is why early on he wanted to ignore the problem and downplay any numbers. That's why he made the claims back in February it was only 15 people and it would soon be to 0.
 
Rain Cold said:
Resources like PPE, for starters. Ventilators. Extra beds. Etc. Not to mention a general acknowledgement of the situation. All of these things are FINALLY being ramped up. That's really good. I'm glad that red tape is finally getting cut. I'm glad that hosptital ships are finally showing up. I'm glad that the private sector is finally being engaged to start to manufacture items that are necessary a month ago. That's all great. Props to the admin. There's no reason we couldn't have gotten there in January. Zero.
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The ventilator issue was resolved before it ever became an issue. They figured out a way to convert the equiptment used by anesthesiologist and trained all anesthesiologist to execute. It takes time to mass produce ventilators, but that is being done as well thanks to private business partnering with wh corono team. Beds, Army Core engineers,Samaritans Purse, 2 ships, doing all they can. You only have 1 mill hospital beds in the whole country of 300 mill plus to start with. Of which 60 percent are full year round. They"ve postponed elective surgeries. PPE needs are being met and again private sector has answered the challenge of meeting the demand.
The biggest posotive thing Trump and the WH team has done is get private sector involved and supply the astronomical demand. This has been huge. Not just PPE, but pharma distributing millions of Malaria pills,inventing more efficient test kits.
The leadership and vision to reach out and connect private sector to meet our needs in warp speed has been as big a lifesaver as shutting down inbound travel from China,then Europe despite unwarrented critiscisim.
The immediate call to rally America to stop everything dead in its tracks, self isolate and get a stimulus package to aid those citizens,small business ,and large to get across the economic bridge for April. Despite the polotics and idealogical pork attempts.
Trump, WH team are doing a great job.

Sidenote: Congrees won getting 25 million dollars aid, free money sent to the Kennedy Center. Who by the way sits on a100 million dollar endowement. So critical .
Guess what the Kennedy center did. Laid everyone off and cancelled their Health Insurance.
 
Rain Cold said:
The mobilization taking place now is impressive. Nobody is debating that. The messaging from the beginning against the backdrop of a stunning lack of necessary protective equipment for health care workers, for example, is unimpressive.
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SMH......I don't know how to help you to understand. You can't be prepared for something OF THIS MAGINITUDE you have never gone through. You can't do it PERIOD. I guess I could tell you 100 more times and you still wont understand. There is nobody that can mobilize for a crisis better than the united states military and I can tell from going through it first hand multiple times in my life that our COUNTRY has done a phenomenal job with this from the top to the bottom.
 
The vast majority here besides the most ardent, hard right Trump sympathizers, will agree that the response from not just the Trump administration, but the federal government, it’s associated entities as well as many local/state governments, while now rather prudent, was too slow from the beginning on the coronavirus for a multitude of reasons. Large sects of both parties did not take this crisis as seriously as they should have, but more centrists and those in the left took it more seriously and did so comparatively sooner than Republicans, that fact is still evident even when you look at the comments in this very thread & their concomitant political beliefs, there’s very little, if any room for debate there.

As I’ve stated previously numerous times here, it’s amazing how much we could have accomplished and been more well equipped if we would have focused on our response to the virus weeks ago rather than being worried about how it was being overblown or politicized in the media. Other countries, especially China, should foot a lot of the blame for this initially slow response in covering up evidence of the true extent of the virus, etc, but the responsibility of our actions ultimately falls on our shoulders and we definitely deserve a significant portion of it.
Hopefully, many people take a good, hard look into the mirror in the aftermath of this crisis and aren’t as quick to rush judgement to the severity of the situation because of how its been historically portrayed by “x” group of people, news outlets, etc., and adhere to a “better safe than sorry” mentality. It’s no better than taking the European or GFS model for “x” weather situation because this model was the first to catch onto____ lately, or typically performs better with ______, every case is different and at some level, quasi-independent should be treated in such a manner.
 
Steven_1974 said:
The man was briefed on this back in December. The only thing he's cared about is how it affects his election chances which is why early on he wanted to ignore the problem and downplay any numbers. That's why he made the claims back in February it was only 15 people and it would soon be to 0.
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This is from January 14th. Now if you want to fault Trump for being gullible enough to believe WHO, then I won't argue.

 
Yellow Snow said:
The WHO didn't declare a global emergency until Jan. 30th; they denied widespread H2H transmission almost right up until then. There was only one day left in January at that point.
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They were awful from the beginning too. It's hard for me to understand two things: How awful leadership/authorities are around the globe and understanding seemingly simple things (as an aside, I believe they do and that they are operating in a way that is counter to their supposed mandate, to the benefit of themselves or someone else that is NOT regular people) and how resistant seemingly reasonable people are to hold them accountable for obvious early mistakes. It's ok to criticize the actions of even those you generally like. That is not a sin.
 
Steven_1974 said:
The man was briefed on this back in December. The only thing he's cared about is how it affects his election chances which is why early on he wanted to ignore the problem and downplay any numbers. That's why he made the claims back in February it was only 15 people and it would soon be to 0.
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Yes alarm bells were going off then, but the priority of our leaders at the time was impeachment.
 
Steven_1974 said:
The man was briefed on this back in December. The only thing he's cared about is how it affects his election chances which is why early on he wanted to ignore the problem and downplay any numbers. That's why he made the claims back in February it was only 15 people and it would soon be to 0.
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I respect your opinion and others.

But its better to judge someone off the actions they take and results more so than what they say in word only. Whether its downplay,overplay, or arm chair quaterbacking. Just my opinion. If the only criticism is the potus didnt cry wolf loud enough on certain date because of not causing a panic, then thats really no concern to me personally. I guess I didnt hear the MSM and Democrats screaming this in Jan and Feb, wonder what all the news was about during that time? Outside of a couple on here RC etc, most where ridding the fence on this as we started to discuss back in Jan. I know I was and then still to this day,its a juggeling act trying to figure out how to save lives 1st, and not create more problems(dire possibly) with the cure.
 
Webberweather53 said:
The vast majority here besides the most ardent, hard right Trump sympathizers, will agree that the response from not just the Trump administration, but the federal government, it’s associated entities as well as many local/state governments, while now rather prudent, was too slow from the beginning on the coronavirus for a multitude of reasons. Large sects of both parties did not take this crisis as seriously as they should have, but more centrists and those in the left took it more seriously and did so comparatively sooner than Republicans, that fact is still evident even when you look at the comments in this very thread & their concomitant political beliefs, there’s very little, if any room for debate there.

As I’ve stated previously numerous times here, it’s amazing how much we could have accomplished and been more well equipped if we would have focused on our response to the virus weeks ago rather than being worried about how it was being overblown or politicized in the media. Other countries, especially China, should foot a lot of the blame for this initially slow response in covering up evidence of the true extent of the virus, etc, but the responsibility of our actions ultimately falls on our shoulders and we definitely deserve a significant portion of it.
Hopefully, many people take a good, hard look into the mirror in the aftermath of this crisis and aren’t as quick to rush judgement to the severity of the situation because of how its been historically portrayed by “x” group of people, news outlets, etc., and adhere to a “better safe than sorry” mentality. It’s no better than taking the European or GFS model for “x” weather situation because this model was the first to catch onto____ lately, or typically performs better with ______, every case is different and at some level, quasi-independent should be treated in such a manner.
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I agree with the majority of this. I don't have enough data to say that Republicans were downplaying this more than Democrats on the whole. That may or may not be true, as I have seen similar reactions on both sides of the aisle. I really don't care about making it a right vs. left issue, which I know isn't the point of your post. I just wanted to give my thoughts on that. But I do think there is a lot of blame that can be spread around for the initial apparent response.
 
Rain Cold said:
Particularly not if you don't engage them or can't show them that a crisis is coming....which you certainly can't by continually saying a crisis is not coming.
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You do understand that its the presidents job to stay calm and project calm right? I get he doesn't do a great job at those things at times but it had zip to do with our country being prepared or unprepared as you see it. Trump immediately put restrictions on travel. He was of course called a racist and xenophobe by the democrats and their media for the move. New York city brushed the warnings off. You are correct in the fact that some folks weren't prepared but Trump wasn't one of them.
 
Sandbar said:
His press conferences are horrific but that's Trump. But I can tell you based on some pretty strong connections I have that our country was on this from the very beginning. The magnitude and logistics of something like this is unimaginable. Having been in the military my whole life believe me, I understand very well just how monumental this task was/is. Its been impressive what we have done and that credit goes to the team not just the man leading it.
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I'm not a big Trump fan but did vote for him with my nose plugged. My gut is that he talked this thing down at first to keep at least some people calm. He knew people would go BS crazy eventually so him hyping that immediately would make it even worse. He could have done a much better job of conveying it but that's just the way he is. There is no way he didn't know this was going to be bad with the information he is privy to.
 
I cant understand for the life of me why some of you still want to blame. There is nothing or nobody that needs to be blamed here unless you just don't have it in you to accept the fact that our country is in a much better position than most. Yes we have hot spots that will be bad. They would have been even worse had it not been for an incredible response. I know some of you don't want to hear it and/or you just wont or cant accept it for some odd reason.
 
Sandbar said:
SMH......I don't know how to help you to understand. You can't be prepared for something OF THIS MAGINITUDE you have never gone through. You can't do it PERIOD. I guess I could tell you 100 more times and you still wont understand. There is nobody that can mobilize for a crisis better than the united states military and I can tell from going through it first hand multiple times in my life that our COUNTRY has done a phenomenal job with this from the top to the bottom.
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Except it was already pretty evident well before the trump administration was willing to publicly admit and take very stout action for, that this crisis was truly like nothing else we’d ever seen before, downplaying its severity and longevity as we’ve seen him and many in his party (like yourself) do time and time again, even rather recently, and to later pivot and say they knew it was serious the whole time is a bad look on your end. There’s blame to go all around and trump, China, the WHO, & even democrats are all far from infallible.
In any case, I think it’s nice to see nearly everyone (including yourself) finally pulling their heads out of the sand and beginning to grasp the gravity of the situation, whether anyone will admit that their previous dispositions and foresight on the crisis, even a few weeks ago, were wrong or a far cry from where we currently stand, is another matter entirely and I don’t expect them to rescind for it.

Don’t get me wrong though, I definitely approve of the administration’s recent actions on the virus and applaud them, including Trump for stepping up and doing so and putting us on the right course, its restored some of the dwindling faith I’ve had in this president since voting for him in the last election. The actions of some local officials oth are far more abhorrent & egregious.
 
Sandbar said:
You do understand that its the presidents job to stay calm and project calm right? I get he doesn't do a great job at those things at times but it had zip to do with our country being prepared or unprepared as you see it. Trump immediately put restrictions on travel. He was of course called a racist and xenophobe by the democrats and their media for the move. New York city brushed the warnings off. You are correct in the fact that some folks weren't prepared but Trump wasn't one of them.
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He slapped a band aid on early in the game but that wasn't enough. That maybe slowed the virus a couple weeks at best. He just went back to downplaying it until the numbers proved his wording was false. If you want people to remain calm, do two things. Remain calm yourself and be honest and prove to Americans we will get through this, not keep lying to us every day as the numbers go up.
Sandbar said:
I cant understand for the life of me why some of you still want to blame. There is nothing or nobody that needs to be blamed here unless you just don't have it in you to accept the fact that our country is in a much better position than most. Yes we have hot spots that will be bad. They would have been even worse had it not been for an incredible response. I know some of you don't want to hear it and/or you just wont or cant accept it for some odd reason.
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We are not blaming people here or at least I'm not. I just want my leaders to take proper action to protect me and you as citizens of the US and stop telling us side lies. We know everything will be okay in the end, but the more they lie the more painful this is going to be since people are still "Nothingburger or apocalypse" mode. Bringing people to that level is what the leaders need to do. They were elected for a reason.
 
EmersonGA said:
I'm not a big Trump fan but did vote for him with my nose plugged. My gut is that he talked this thing down at first to keep at least some people calm. He knew people would go BS crazy eventually so him hyping that immediately would make it even worse. He could have done a much better job of conveying it but that's just the way he is. There is no way he didn't know this was going to be bad with the information he is privy to.
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Yes.....I wish people would understand just how damn lucky we are. I underestimated it too until I got handed some knowledge that I have no business going into detail over on an internet forum.
 
ForsythSnow said:
He slapped a band aid on early in the game but that wasn't enough. That maybe slowed the virus a couple weeks at best. He just went back to downplaying it until the numbers proved his wording was false. If you want people to remain calm, do two things. Remain calm yourself and be honest and prove to Americans we will get through this, not keep lying to us every day as the numbers go up.

We are not blaming people here or at least I'm not. I just want my leaders to take proper action to protect me and you as citizens of the US and stop telling us side lies. We know everything will be okay in the end, but the more they lie the more painful this is going to be since people are still "Nothingburger or apocalypse" mode. Bringing people to that level is what the leaders need to do. They were elected for a reason.
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There is an old saying..."You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". That saying is spot on with some folks over this crisis. It doesn't matter what you tell them or how. Its just not going to register.....especially with people who cant stand the person that is trying to lead them. That's just 100% FACT!
 
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