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"Q" stuff is all straight bunk.....it is all tin foil hat stuff....."Q" was/is a hoax......Q followers seem to forget the first post "Q" ever made that was 100% off base with its prediction.....it really has no place in a serious political discussion.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/10/2...-creator-q-hoax-explains-dangerous-evolution/

Agreed. This is bottom of the barrel for reliability/objectivity. Here's something to back your assertion up:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/qanon-pub/


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  • Overall, we rate QAnon an extreme right wing Tin Foil Hat level Conspiracy website based on promotion of old debunked conspiracy theories that have been proven to be false or at the very least do not have evidence.
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I guess i will watch the barrel bottom for more info ?. Anyways I watch daily about 6 months ago and behold kinda coming true.
That is the point, many things predicted is coming true i.e. Coats being ask to step down... 302s and more. Like my post said.... would you like to see the future news.....
 
But what if it is not? You have to admit post 1836 was impressive.
Conspiracy theories are a slippery inescapable slope once one falls down it. Never believe that stuff for a minute or you can end up believing completely fake things when real world events happen. Get real facts and not deep web crap. Some people put their entire lives into conspiracy theories and they're really concerning when they think conspiracies are reality.
 
Agreed. This is bottom of the barrel for reliability/objectivity. Here's something to back your assertion up:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/qanon-pub/


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  • Overall, we rate QAnon an extreme right wing Tin Foil Hat level Conspiracy website based on promotion of old debunked conspiracy theories that have been proven to be false or at the very least do not have evidence.
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That is off some there. "Some conspiracies that QAnon promote are the debunked Pizzagate theory, the Seth Rich murder, and most notably the Deep State. They also promote chemtrails which some claim Trump has stopped. Lastly, they have been accused of antisemitism.

According to a factual search QAnon has failed numerous fact checks. " There is a difference from reading the qanon.pub vs a general public ramblings of Qanon. You can search the board for past post. Type in Seth Rich or pizza gate..... or even JFK jr. I am not saying to become a n qanon.
Just read here or there with an open mind. I appreciate your input.
 
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I guess i will watch the barrel bottom for more info ?. Anyways I watch daily about 6 months ago and behold kinda coming true.
Really just disconnect, watc
Conspiracy theories are a slippery inescapable slope once one falls down it. Never believe that stuff for a minute or you can end up believing completely fake things when real world events happen. Get real facts and not deep web crap. Some people put their entire lives into conspiracy theories and they're really concerning when they think conspiracies are reality.
Take everything with a grain of salt. Plenty of crazy stuff happening that most would never believe. I would trust the info on x22 for more than CNN NBC or fox. But that's just me to each their own
 
One of "Q's " early calls back on Nov 1-2 2017......nailed it.....ok well actually he was WRONG on everything....but still managed to suck in enough people to actually become a mainstream conspiracy.....heck they outed the people doing it over a year ago and still people insist its all real.

Q Clearance Patriot

My fellow Americans, over the course of the next several days you will undoubtedly realize that we are taking back our great country (the land of the free) from the evil tyrants that wish to do us harm and destroy the last remaining refuge of shining light. On POTUS’ order, we have initiated certain fail-safes that shall safeguard the public from the primary fallout which is slated to occur 11.3 upon the arrest announcement of Mr. Podesta (actionable 11.4).​
Confirmation (to the public) of what is occurring will then be revealed and will not be openly accepted. Public riots are being organized in serious numbers in an effort to prevent the arrest and capture of more senior public officials. On POTUS’ order, a state of temporary military control will be actioned and special ops carried out. False leaks have been made to retain several within the confines of the United States to prevent extradition and special operator necessity. Rest assured, the safety and well-being of every man, woman, and child of this country is being exhausted in full. However, the atmosphere within the country will unfortunately be divided as so many have fallen for the corrupt and evil narrative that has long been broadcast. We will be initiating the Emergency Broadcast System (EMS) during this time in an effort to provide a direct message (avoiding the fake news) to all citizens. Organizations and/or people that wish to do us harm during this time will be met with swift fury – certain laws have been pre-lifted to provide our great military the necessary authority to handle and conduct these operations (at home and abroad).POTUS will be well insulated/protected on AF1 and abroad (specific locations classified) while these operations are conducteddue to the nature of the entrenchment. It is time to take back our country and make America great again. Let us salute and pray for the brave men and women in uniform who will undertake this assignment to bring forth peace, unity, and return power to the people.

It is our hope that this message reaches enough people to make a meaningful impact. We cannot yet telegraph this message through normal methods for reasons I’m sure everyone here can understand. Follow the questions from the previous thread(s) and remain calm, the primary targets are within DC and remain at the top (on both sides). The spill over in the streets will be quickly shut down. Look for more false flags – stay alert, be vigilant, and above all, please pray.​

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and on God bless my fellow Americans. 4,10,20
 
I know many people do not believe in such things but Christian prophecies and churches that practice such things prophesied that Trump would win in 2016 and many more type prophecies came true.. there are always wackos in the mix, you cant believe everyone that you see, but the overall General consensus was that Trump was going to win and those same people are saying that the government is about to be transformed, and exposed. So we will see. This is not meant to be a religious comment for the religious thread.
 
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Believing these conspiracy types of websites is akin to believing we’re going to have a cold winter every time because JB predicts them. Folks believe these because these are things they want to be true.
 
One of "Q's " early calls back on Nov 1-2 2017......nailed it.....ok well actually he was WRONG on everything....but still managed to suck in enough people to actually become a mainstream conspiracy.....heck they outed the people doing it over a year ago and still people insist its all real.

Q Clearance Patriot

My fellow Americans, over the course of the next several days you will undoubtedly realize that we are taking back our great country (the land of the free) from the evil tyrants that wish to do us harm and destroy the last remaining refuge of shining light. On POTUS’ order, we have initiated certain fail-safes that shall safeguard the public from the primary fallout which is slated to occur 11.3 upon the arrest announcement of Mr. Podesta (actionable 11.4).​
Confirmation (to the public) of what is occurring will then be revealed and will not be openly accepted. Public riots are being organized in serious numbers in an effort to prevent the arrest and capture of more senior public officials. On POTUS’ order, a state of temporary military control will be actioned and special ops carried out. False leaks have been made to retain several within the confines of the United States to prevent extradition and special operator necessity. Rest assured, the safety and well-being of every man, woman, and child of this country is being exhausted in full. However, the atmosphere within the country will unfortunately be divided as so many have fallen for the corrupt and evil narrative that has long been broadcast. We will be initiating the Emergency Broadcast System (EMS) during this time in an effort to provide a direct message (avoiding the fake news) to all citizens. Organizations and/or people that wish to do us harm during this time will be met with swift fury – certain laws have been pre-lifted to provide our great military the necessary authority to handle and conduct these operations (at home and abroad).POTUS will be well insulated/protected on AF1 and abroad (specific locations classified) while these operations are conducteddue to the nature of the entrenchment. It is time to take back our country and make America great again. Let us salute and pray for the brave men and women in uniform who will undertake this assignment to bring forth peace, unity, and return power to the people.

It is our hope that this message reaches enough people to make a meaningful impact. We cannot yet telegraph this message through normal methods for reasons I’m sure everyone here can understand. Follow the questions from the previous thread(s) and remain calm, the primary targets are within DC and remain at the top (on both sides). The spill over in the streets will be quickly shut down. Look for more false flags – stay alert, be vigilant, and above all, please pray.​

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and on God bless my fellow Americans. 4,10,20
Conspiracy theories are a slippery inescapable slope once one falls down it. Never believe that stuff for a minute or you can end up believing completely fake things when real world events happen. Get real facts and not deep web crap. Some people put their entire lives into conspiracy theories and they're really concerning when they think conspiracies are reality.
I understand what you are saying . But, how does someone keep getting ahead of the news as well as we see here? Seems like a good place to monitor at times.
 
One of "Q's " early calls back on Nov 1-2 2017......nailed it.....ok well actually he was WRONG on everything....but still managed to suck in enough people to actually become a mainstream conspiracy.....heck they outed the people doing it over a year ago and still people insist its all real.

Q Clearance Patriot

My fellow Americans, over the course of the next several days you will undoubtedly realize that we are taking back our great country (the land of the free) from the evil tyrants that wish to do us harm and destroy the last remaining refuge of shining light. On POTUS’ order, we have initiated certain fail-safes that shall safeguard the public from the primary fallout which is slated to occur 11.3 upon the arrest announcement of Mr. Podesta (actionable 11.4).​
Confirmation (to the public) of what is occurring will then be revealed and will not be openly accepted. Public riots are being organized in serious numbers in an effort to prevent the arrest and capture of more senior public officials. On POTUS’ order, a state of temporary military control will be actioned and special ops carried out. False leaks have been made to retain several within the confines of the United States to prevent extradition and special operator necessity. Rest assured, the safety and well-being of every man, woman, and child of this country is being exhausted in full. However, the atmosphere within the country will unfortunately be divided as so many have fallen for the corrupt and evil narrative that has long been broadcast. We will be initiating the Emergency Broadcast System (EMS) during this time in an effort to provide a direct message (avoiding the fake news) to all citizens. Organizations and/or people that wish to do us harm during this time will be met with swift fury – certain laws have been pre-lifted to provide our great military the necessary authority to handle and conduct these operations (at home and abroad).POTUS will be well insulated/protected on AF1 and abroad (specific locations classified) while these operations are conducteddue to the nature of the entrenchment. It is time to take back our country and make America great again. Let us salute and pray for the brave men and women in uniform who will undertake this assignment to bring forth peace, unity, and return power to the people.

It is our hope that this message reaches enough people to make a meaningful impact. We cannot yet telegraph this message through normal methods for reasons I’m sure everyone here can understand. Follow the questions from the previous thread(s) and remain calm, the primary targets are within DC and remain at the top (on both sides). The spill over in the streets will be quickly shut down. Look for more false flags – stay alert, be vigilant, and above all, please pray.​

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and on God bless my fellow Americans. 4,10,20
I think this is a good example of an identity/communications problem. I have never seen anything close to this on qanon.pub . Looks like someone hijacked fantasy dribble. Where did you find this?
 
I understand what you are saying . But, how does someone keep getting ahead of the news as well as we see here? Seems like a good place to monitor at times.
Take it like a GFS run. Easy to get in the short range, but as time goes on it becomes more and more garbage until it no longer is acceptable to call remotely realistic. Also I'm sure vagueness plays a role in some case.
 
I think this is a good example of an identity/communications problem. I have never seen anything close to this on qanon.pub . Looks like someone hijacked fantasy dribble. Where did you find this?

These are some of the first recorded post by someone calling themselves "Q" on 4chan, this article list the whole thing rather well, "Q" is probably a group of 3-4 people most of whom have been ID'd.....

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/12/qanon-4chan-the-storm-conspiracy-explained.html
 
The Democrats have to want to get Trump re-elected. There is no way they are stupid enough to still be pushing Mueller.

Why not, look Mueller even states one of the reasons he could not confirm collusion was a lot of stonewalling and even destruction of evidence by Trump and his team.....what if Trump and his people did have high levels of contact and assistance from Russia, there is a lot of smoke to suggest this and if questioning these people reveal that then we should know that as voters. I know for some of you ( general you not you you ) this wouldn't/doesnt matter, some Trumpers wont care if Trump accepted direct help from Putin, but it does matter to lots of people.....I personally think one reason why Trump is pushing the Ukraine was primary meddler in 2016 conspiracy theory is to try and take focus off Russia because he knows and wants them to help him in 2020 as well.

The real problem the Dems have is Biden is just looking terrible, he could easily beat Trump but I don't think Biden wants to run, and the other Dem front runners are to far left.....the Dems need a new moderate younger person to take over the race someone not yet in it.
 
Why not, look Mueller even states one of the reasons he could not confirm collusion was a lot of stonewalling and even destruction of evidence by Trump and his team.....what if Trump and his people did have high levels of contact and assistance from Russia, there is a lot of smoke to suggest this and if questioning these people reveal that then we should know that as voters. I know for some of you ( general you not you you ) this wouldn't/doesnt matter, some Trumpers wont care if Trump accepted direct help from Putin, but it does matter to lots of people.....I personally think one reason why Trump is pushing the Ukraine was primary meddler in 2016 conspiracy theory is to try and take focus off Russia because he knows and wants them to help him in 2020 as well.

The real problem the Dems have is Biden is just looking terrible, he could easily beat Trump but I don't think Biden wants to run, and the other Dem front runners are to far left.....the Dems need a new moderate younger person to take over the race someone not yet in it.


How about a very wealthy older moderate like Bloomberg?

On an unrelated note, finally here’s something most are uniting around:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
 
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Why not, look Mueller even states one of the reasons he could not confirm collusion was a lot of stonewalling and even destruction of evidence by Trump and his team.....what if Trump and his people did have high levels of contact and assistance from Russia, there is a lot of smoke to suggest this and if questioning these people reveal that then we should know that as voters. I know for some of you ( general you not you you ) this wouldn't/doesnt matter, some Trumpers wont care if Trump accepted direct help from Putin, but it does matter to lots of people.....I personally think one reason why Trump is pushing the Ukraine was primary meddler in 2016 conspiracy theory is to try and take focus off Russia because he knows and wants them to help him in 2020 as well.

The real problem the Dems have is Biden is just looking terrible, he could easily beat Trump but I don't think Biden wants to run, and the other Dem front runners are to far left.....the Dems need a new moderate younger person to take over the race someone not yet in it.

To me I believe that is the plan, nuke Biden and play for 2024 with a much more socialist candidate.
 
Yeah its embarrassing that the person who is the leader of the most powerful nation on the Earth acts like a child.....

That's really a concern of yours? Just by reading most of your anti-Trump post it seems that demeanor is more important to you than results. I get that character is really important to you and there is nothing wrong with that but results should be a much higher priority as you can simply ignore the BS that comes from his mouth if you make the effort. I vote with my wallet and the security of my country first so I am more than happy to overlook the mans many flaws. If you are a Republican, conservative, right leaning voter (even middle of the road) you want a SOB in charge in order to have a chance at fighting what the other side of the aisle is running towards these days....Just my 2 cents
 
That's really a concern of yours? Just by reading most of your anti-Trump post it seems that demeanor is more important to you than results. I get that character is really important to you and there is nothing wrong with that but results should be a much higher priority as you can simply ignore the BS that comes from his mouth if you make the effort. I vote with my wallet and the security of my country first so I am more than happy to overlook the mans many flaws. If you are a Republican, conservative, right leaning voter (even middle of the road) you want a SOB in charge in order to have a chance at fighting what the other side of the aisle is running towards these days....Just my 2 cents

The left leaning dems are the ones who act as children. Constantly protesting, screaming in the streets until they get their way. That's what children do. Demanding money from taxpayers so they can have what they feel entitled too, that' what children do. Going to the media fussing bc Trump wouldn't pass every piece of legislation the losers wanted, that's acting childish. To be childish, he has accomplished a lot!!!!
 
That's really a concern of yours? Just by reading most of your anti-Trump post it seems that demeanor is more important to you than results. I get that character is really important to you and there is nothing wrong with that but results should be a much higher priority as you can simply ignore the BS that comes from his mouth if you make the effort. I vote with my wallet and the security of my country first so I am more than happy to overlook the mans many flaws. If you are a Republican, conservative, right leaning voter (even middle of the road) you want a SOB in charge in order to have a chance at fighting what the other side of the aisle is running towards these days....Just my 2 cents

I disagree you can be all those things without being a jackass.....Trump flaws are more than his demeanor the man has a long track record of treating people poorly, cheating on wives, friends, business partners, his taxes, he is well known for failure to pay contractors for small jobs, etc.....Trump's character is far below what we should accept as the leader of the USA, Trump couldn't act presidential if his life depended on it.

As for his accomplishments , what has he done really....wall, nope.....healthcare reform.....nope, immigration reform.....nope, a tax cut that many people don't even see in return for increases in spending like he is a liberal contributing to one of the fastest climbing debts in US history screwing generations to come.....check.....

The country would have gotten so much more out of a GOP controlled government those 2 years if someone else had won the nomination....in fact we probably would still have a all red government.....
 
I disagree you can be all those things without being a jackass.....Trump flaws are more than his demeanor the man has a long track record of treating people poorly, cheating on wives, friends, business partners, his taxes, he is well known for failure to pay contractors for small jobs, etc.....Trump's character is far below what we should accept as the leader of the USA, Trump couldn't act presidential if his life depended on it.

As for his accomplishments , what has he done really....wall, nope.....healthcare reform.....nope, immigration reform.....nope, a tax cut that many people don't even see in return for increases in spending like he is a liberal contributing to one of the fastest climbing debts in US history screwing generations to come.....check.....

The country would have gotten so much more out of a GOP controlled government those 2 years if someone else had won the nomination....in fact we probably would still have a all red government.....

Again.......Why do you care about his past relationships? In no way, shape or form does it affect you other than tugging at your emotions and feelings. As for his accomplishments it's real easy to cherry pick. Healthcare is a bastard child that is going to take a bipartisan solution so good luck with that. Immigration reform? Sorry but he has put that as Priority #1 but it can't be fixed without somebody willing to take a hardline stance and that's just a fact (of course that's racist somehow). You know of anybody that is a harder negotiator than Trump? Nope you sure don't. I have seen a nice tax cut...... Could it be more sure but the alternative in 2020 is me paying more (No thanks). Now the debt......Yeah that isn't going anywhere as long as you have people in congress writing and arguing over the bills that have been there for 30+ years. Trump can't really control that end of it but if we are going to spend money lets at least get something in return. I am career military so I am a little biased towards military spending but the fat could be cut across the board to ease "wasteful spending". Again, The President doesn't write the bills and if he shuts the Government down guess who gets blamed by the media?

You seem to think Trump is to blame for us losing the House and you are certainly entitled to that opinion. History is mostly unkind at midterms to the party in power. In "my opinion" Trump is the reason it wasn't worse than it was.

What you really need to be thankful for is that Trump has put 2 VERY SOLID judges on the SCOTUS and when he is re-elected next year he will very likely place 1 more if not 2 more in his final term. That is HUGE because the way the partisan politics is going, the high court is going to come more into play than ever in the next decade and beyond. If you are conservative as you claim to be, you best put your emotions aside, hold your nose and choose wisely
 
For all of Trump’s flaws, I can’t blame him on immigration or not removing the ACA. The GOP doesn’t have the nuts to deal with either one even if they had a super majority.
 
That's really a concern of yours? Just by reading most of your anti-Trump post it seems that demeanor is more important to you than results. I get that character is really important to you and there is nothing wrong with that but results should be a much higher priority as you can simply ignore the BS that comes from his mouth if you make the effort. I vote with my wallet and the security of my country first so I am more than happy to overlook the mans many flaws. If you are a Republican, conservative, right leaning voter (even middle of the road) you want a SOB in charge in order to have a chance at fighting what the other side of the aisle is running towards these days....Just my 2 cents

Yeah so what If Hitler, stalin got results their demeanor shouldnt have mattered.

I've asked for red lines. When is his demeanor too much for you personally? Jailing opponents? Freezing free elections? I mean as long as he is helping your pocket sounds like you'd accept anything?
 
Actually, it makes me very ill. Of all the things that are much more important, they spend the time on something feel good and is already a crime.
This is a horrendous law! Animals are not deserving of the highest levels of protection. People should not be charged with a crime for harming animals. We eat the bloody things! Does this make us all mass murderers or complicit in the acts? This is the stupidest law ever!

This does not mean I support cruelty to animals, I strongly appose it! I think it is very unfortunate at the federal level. I'll have to side with Downeastnc on hating Trump now. I guess it's Libertarian for me in 2020!
 
This is a horrendous law! Animals are not deserving of the highest levels of protection. People should not be charged with a crime for harming animals. We eat the bloody things! Does this make us all mass murderers or complicit in the acts? This is the stupidest law ever!

This does not mean I support cruelty to animals, I strongly appose it! I think it is very unfortunate at the federal level. I'll have to side with Downeastnc on hating Trump now. I guess it's Libertarian for me in 2020!
So you are saying that if someone shoots and kills your dog they should not be charged with a crime ? Does anyone on this board other than weatherfide actually think that it should be ok to intentionally harm a dog ?
 
Yeah so what If Hitler, stalin got results their demeanor shouldnt have mattered.

I've asked for red lines. When is his demeanor too much for you personally? Jailing opponents? Freezing free elections? I mean as long as he is helping your pocket sounds like you'd accept anything?
Seriously!?? You are going to compare Trump to Stalin or Hitler? ALL of the politicians are ass hats and immoral. That's how and why they are attracted to the positions of power over others. FDR cheated, blatantly, on his wife, and got elected three times!!! Why? Because he was doing things the people liked over-all. Stalin and Hitler were doing things that the general populations didn't agree with. But, they were kept in the dark and threatened with death and torture if they publicly disapproved. Trump is nowhere near that threshold. I don't like his morals and manners, but it does appear that he has been effective at encouraging economic expansion in the U.S. He has been non-threatening to personal freedoms up until he signed that stupid animal cruelty law. He's not nationalizing industries or threatening to do so, either.
 
Actually, it makes me very ill. Of all the things that are much more important, they spend the time on something feel good and is already a crime.
Proof positive Federal gov't thinks it needs to be involved in everything....
 
Seriously!?? You are going to compare Trump to Stalin or Hitler? ALL of the politicians are ass hats and immoral. That's how and why they are attracted to the positions of power over others. FDR cheated, blatantly, on his wife, and got elected three times!!! Why? Because he was doing things the people liked over-all. Stalin and Hitler were doing things that the general populations didn't agree with. But, they were kept in the dark and threatened with death and torture if they publicly disapproved. Trump is nowhere near that threshold. I don't like his morals and manners, but it does appear that he has been effective at encouraging economic expansion in the U.S. He has been non-threatening to personal freedoms up until he signed that stupid animal cruelty law. He's not nationalizing industries or threatening to do so, either.

My point is when people are willing to look the other way and accept a presidents worst behaviors then this greenlights that behavior. You dont believe Hitler was putting millions of people to death because he had no support from his subordinates and atleast some level of the population?

It appears people have no desire to draw a red line for trump. He really could shoot someone and as long as that DOW is up who cares.
 
My point is when people are willing to look the other way and accept a presidents worst behaviors then this greenlights that behavior. You dont believe Hitler was putting millions of people to death because he had no support from his subordinates and atleast some level of the population?

It appears people have no desire to draw a red line for trump. He really could shoot someone and as long as that DOW is up who cares.
We can literally draw the red line on all of them, where would that leave us? Seriously, lots of people say they didn't vote because they didn't like the choices but what recourse do we really have if all choices are horrible? Unless the people can completely unite and throw them all out, then start completely over but that's not happening.

edit: to your point about the shoot someone as long as the DOW is up... don't lump all Trump voters into that category. First of all the dude hasn't shot anyone, secondly if he did of course I would never have or ever again vote for him and thirdly, I couldn't care less about the DOW. To @Sandbar point at least we now have some solid conservative justices.

It is a little bit of a conundrum we have at this time
 
My point is when people are willing to look the other way and accept a presidents worst behaviors then this greenlights that behavior. You dont believe Hitler was putting millions of people to death because he had no support from his subordinates and atleast some level of the population?

It appears people have no desire to draw a red line for trump. He really could shoot someone and as long as that DOW is up who cares.
To some degree, this is true. The general populace is rather dumb, en masse. Hitler is a good case study for this. However, I don't think our constitution, if followed properly, would encourage this type of corruption. When we allow any person to vote, regardless of their cognitive and critical thinking skills and understanding of macro-economics, and morality, you are going to have this problem. Raising the voting age to 25 would help. People tend to get wiser with age.
 
We can literally draw the red line on all of them, where would that leave us? Seriously, lots of people say they didn't vote because the didn't like the choices but what recourse do we really have if all choices are horrible? Unless the people can completely unite and throw them all out, then start completely over but that's not happening.

How about not continuing voting for those horrible choices. As long as people do it they will continue to put up those horrible candidates knowing you'll vote for them.
 
How about not continuing voting for those horrible choices. As long as people do it they will continue to put up those horrible candidates knowing you'll vote for them.
I didn't in the primaries, problem is those choices made it to the general elections... I agree stop putting up horrible options but as long as 4k people are running in the primaries a small percentage will get you to the general election and then it's difficult decision time.
 
To some degree, this is true. The general populace is rather dumb, en masse. Hitler is a good case study for this. However, I don't think our constitution, if followed properly, would encourage this type of corruption. When we allow any person to vote, regardless of their cognitive and critical thinking skills and understanding of macro-economics, and morality, you are going to have this problem. Raising the voting age to 25 would help. People tend to get wiser with age.

When congress who is in charge of following the constitution to stamp out corruption are threatened with removal through elections then the general public is supporting the corruption. This isn't the only forum I am on and i have literally had people tell me no proof or evidence of wrongdoing will ever sway their vote for trump. Theybloterally want him for president forever. Of course this is a more moderate board than that one so the views are more extreme there.
 
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