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thundersnow said:
If you look at where the incident occurred relative to the orientation of the border, it is plausible. This occurred in a part of Poland that protrudes east, surrounded by Ukraine on two sides, north and south. Ukraine could have fired a missile within their borders in that area, and you can see how a misfire could go into that part of Poland from either direction.

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And the Russian missile they were shooting at was launched from where? Belarus?
 
It wouldnt surprise me if Zelensky shot missiles into Poland to instigate WW3. I think he is a dangerous psychopath. Would it be wrong to hope a missile falls on him before millions die? I certainly wouldnt hope that of course.
 
While warmonger Posobiec is referring to going to war against Russia if they deliberately attacked Poland i would agree with him. If Ukraine did this to start WW3 then we should attack Ukraine.
 
metwannabe said:
And the Russian missile they were shooting at was launched from where? Belarus?
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No Russia, along with hundreds of others......guess how many Ukrainian rockets they would be using to shoot down Russian missiles if Russia did not shoot missiles at Ukraine. No matter how you slice it this is 100% on Russia, Poland understands this so even if it was a Ukrainian missile it wont be considered anything other than Russia's fault because that is exactly what it is.

Honestly this is probably not the first or last one of these rockets to do this, its just the first to land somewhere someone could be hurt or notice.
 
Downeastnc said:
No Russia, along with hundreds of others......guess how many Ukrainian rockets they would be using to shoot down Russian missiles if Russia did not shoot missiles at Ukraine. No matter how you slice it this is 100% on Russia, Poland understands this so even if it was a Ukrainian missile it wont be considered anything other than Russia's fault because that is exactly what it is.

Honestly this is probably not the first or last one of these rockets to do this, its just the first to land somewhere someone could be hurt or notice.
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And if Ukraine did this to instigate WW3 then its time to flatten Ukraine.
 
lexxnchloe said:
And if Ukraine did this to instigate WW3 then its time to flatten Ukraine.
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LOL, I think if this was a attempt to drag NATO into the war then they would have targeted a bit more......and the Ukraine would not be admitting it might have been their rocket...

The only thing here more disgusting than Russian missiles hitting civilian targets in Ukraine is all the Putin lovers anti Zelensky folks trying to use this to turn the US against Ukraine.
 
Downeastnc said:
No Russia, along with hundreds of others......guess how many Ukrainian rockets they would be using to shoot down Russian missiles if Russia did not shoot missiles at Ukraine. No matter how you slice it this is 100% on Russia, Poland understands this so even if it was a Ukrainian missile it wont be considered anything other than Russia's fault because that is exactly what it is.

Honestly this is probably not the first or last one of these rockets to do this, its just the first to land somewhere someone could be hurt or notice.
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You missed my point
 
Downeastnc said:
Ok what was your point....
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It was a question of logistics, if a missile was fired from within Russian borders and a defense missile ends up in Poland, look at the map, how does that happen? Either Russia fired from within Poland (we know didn't happen), from Belarus, defense missile was way off or something else. But you never miss an opportunity to lecture those you believe to be pro "xyz" because they have questions and don't just blindly fall in line with the information provided.
 
metwannabe said:
It was a question of logistics, if a missile was fired from within Russian borders and a defense missile ends up in Poland, look at the map, how does that happen? Either Russia fired from within Poland (we know didn't happen), from Belarus, defense missile was way off or something else. But you never miss an opportunity to lecture those you believe to be pro "xyz" because they have questions and don't just blindly fall in line with the information provided.
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I still dont get it, missiles that go off course and end up ballistic can go really really far....there is nothing suspect about this at all, this part of Poland is significantly further east than parts of Ukraine....IE closer to Russia than those parts of Ukraine.

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What you are arguing does not make sense, a cruise missile fired from Russia literally has the ability to hit anywhere in most of Europe from Russia.....if they target places in far western Ukraine and the Ukrainians fire missiles at them to shoot them down and one malfunctions it could easily go 50-100 miles off course and land in Poland

Here is what Russia is shooting at Ukraine...

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Here is the rocket suspected of hitting Poland.....

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All that said Russia is using the S 300 system in a air to ground role and the distances for that are less clear after it goes ballistic....it could probably easily reach that part of Poland from inside Russia.
 
Downeastnc said:
LOL, I think if this was a attempt to drag NATO into the war then they would have targeted a bit more......and the Ukraine would not be admitting it might have been their rocket...

The only thing here more disgusting than Russian missiles hitting civilian targets in Ukraine is all the Putin lovers anti Zelensky folks trying to use this to turn the US against Ukraine.
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I know its dangerous to criticise saint Zelensky. Nvertheless i see him as a psychopathic maniac wanting millions to die and willing to do anything to start WW3
 
You lie with a dog and your gonna get fleas. Putin and Z are both dogs. Tired of seeing America used as a ATM for a proxy war. We are talking Billions , more spent already than what we spent in Afghanistan. We dont have any money, hello! As if thats not bad enough, look at our military currently. Cant recruit, depleting our own weaponary. Guess a select few companies that cash in on these military contracts are loving business. Z playing the US like a swan song.
 
NCSNOW said:
You lie with a dog and your gonna get fleas. Putin and Z are both dogs. Tired of seeing America used as a ATM for a proxy war. We are talking Billions , more spent already than what we spent in Afghanistan. We dont have any money, hello! As if thats not bad enough, look at our military currently. Cant recruit, depleting our own weaponary. Guess a select few companies that cash in on these military contracts are loving business. Z playing the US like a swan song.
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Democrats gutted what was a superior fighting force when I left service in 2017. It is beyond frightening what they have done to our military and in it's place we are sending what amounts to blank checks to the money laundering capital of the world because our leadership is more corrupt than the two mentioned above. I just hope and pray for my brothers and sisters in uniform (including my son) that we are lucky enough to avoid worldwide conflicts under this group of incompetent idiots because we are NOT prepared. I don't want boots on the ground but we have gone beyond what I am comfortable with as far as our "support" is concerned
 
Sandbar said:
Democrats gutted what was a superior fighting force when I left service in 2017. It is beyond frightening what they have done to our military and in it's place we are sending what amounts to blank checks to the money laundering capital of the world because our leadership is more corrupt than the two mentioned above. I just hope and pray for my brothers and sisters in uniform (including my son) that we are lucky enough to avoid worldwide conflicts under this group of incompetent idiots because we are NOT prepared. I don't want boots on the ground but we have gone beyond what I am comfortable with as far as our "support" is concerned
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Lets not forget both republicans and dems joined together to stop rand paul's amendment to account for all the billions going to a psychopath.
 
I think when we see Zelensky and his goons lie about where the missiles came from it means one thing. They fired the missiles into Poland so they could blame Russia and start WW3 so millions of people will die.
 
Ha ha I don't think so. We can agree that all this money we're giving them is a problem. But, they're doing good in the war right now and they don't need to do something stupid (like secretly fire missiles into a NATO country). Most likely they were trying to shoot down a Russian missile and they missed with their missile traversing into Poland. I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more events.
 
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