Quick question. Are you for us applying pressure on Israel to force them to obey a Lebanon ceasefire or against?
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No, I’m just telling you this horrible thing he said since that’s part of the war you’re supporting. I wanted to make sure that despite your support for the war, you don’t agree with the extremist Ben-Gvir.
WEATHERBOYROY
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We are wrong to expect such a ludicrous idea! We totally disrespected Israel in the whole process. If America was Israel would you like the deal?
Are you talking about Ben-Gvir? After I posted some of his extreme views, including those dehumanizing all Palestinians, wanting all of Lebanon to burn, and threatening PM Rabin after damaging his car just before he was assassinated, you don’t think he’s an extremist? Even many Israelis do! Bibi, himself, has distanced himself from him in the past!
I ask because of the point you made earlier in bold this morning, which appears to argue for pressuring Israel to accept a ceasefire, and cites scripture to support it. Was giving you the chance to clarify.
Regarding: "If America was Israel would you like the deal?" That would be a no. But I'm not sure how that argues they shouldn't. Many nations don't like deals and take them anyway cause they have to. UK 1783. Japan 1945. Different situations of course but interesting. Both thrived to some extent afterwards. I suspect I'm missing the point of your question though. (unless you are asking how I personally would feel)
WEATHERBOYROY
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Ahh, I see the confusion... I was speaking of the fulfillment of the prophecy that in the last days that all nations would turn against Israel. That would glorify the word of God, just as the crucifixion of Jesus did. I pray that doesn't happen in my or my children's lifetime. I don't think Israel is at a point that they have to accept the deal as much as they have to defend Israel.
regarding the UK in 1783 and Japan in 1945, they were both defeated and surrendered to the defeating governments. They were a party to the negotiations.
They thrived because we got told them what they could have as a conquering nation, and they abided to it. Israel is not at war with the US, and we surely have not conquered them.
regarding the UK in 1783 and Japan in 1945, they were both defeated and surrendered to the defeating governments. They were a party to the negotiations.
They thrived because we got told them what they could have as a conquering nation, and they abided to it. Israel is not at war with the US, and we surely have not conquered them.
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Gotcha and fair enough. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I disagree and believe they should take it mostly due to US and International consensus. I might explain further later we'll see. (I've got a lot going on this afternoon and this weekend, lol)
As of today they're not a threat but that definitely could change in the future
They launched a rocket that could be used to help with ICBM development but it may have been weakened for a good bit.
I was saying they're not a threat to us
It would change the principles of the war if it were the minister of National Security
He is the minister of national security. So I assume yes.
I think it is because white people committed a genocide of Jews in Europe and relegated the Jews to Israel which was already ruled by Arab Palestinians. The Palestinians were forced out of Israel and have fought to re-establish in their land. I think it is complicated and this war is very short sighted. Best we stay out of it and stop supporting Israel, unless they are allowed entry back into their homelands throughout Europe and North Africa.
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WEATHERBOYROY
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There again, I don't want to insult your intelligence, but, the ottoman empire ruled the land of Israel/palestine until world war 1. It fought on the side of germany. The ottoman empire did have Arabs, but there were many other ethnic groups, as well many Jews. the Jews had been migating back to their home land since the 1880s and by 1945 there was 600,000 plus Jews that had returned home. As in the case of how war used to be settled, if you lost, which the Ottoman empire was defeated by Great Britain, you either fled the region, were killed, or became subjects to the conqueror (that is became slaves). After WW2 and the holocaust, Great Britain decided to leave the territory and gave the UN (Which is not just white people) authority over the division of the land. The UN divided the land between the Jews and the muslims, and since that time through wars between the two religious groups, the land of Israel has become what it is today. It is still quite a bit smaller than the land the Jews had been given according to God's covenant.
I think you have been drinking the kool-aid.
NoSnowATL
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Round and round we go.
So the ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah didn't even last a hour yesterday.
Shaggy
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Isreali settlers policy is one of the worst unrecognized atrocities and slowly the world is waking up to the violence being brought to Palestinians.
I’d (and many Israelis would also) love for the Bibi coalition, which includes extremists like the racist Ben-Gvir who don’t at all represent the face of Israel, to be defeated in the fall. Radical extreme conservatives like him never had this kind of power.
WEATHERBOYROY
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According to CNN not exactly a pro-Israel network, hexbollah broke the ceasefire first, thus causing the retaliation that supposedly killed a family of four. Blame hezbollah
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So Trump is tired of Israel taking on Hezbollah so he is close to giving Syria the new Take on Hezbollah title.
DCK
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He will do nothing! He has shown us repeatedly that he will not follow through effectively. Yeah, we may drop a few bombs but he has not built upon the military accomplishments.
We went from unconditional surrender to giving Iran everything they could want plus more.
Yea but in 1914, those Arabs revolted against the Ottomans in collaboration with the Brits in the Middle East, and later felt betrayed when a Jewish State was established.
That second bolded above might be anachronistic BTW considering UK's stance on slavery after the 1800's.
Keep in mind that the following opinion was written by a conservative named Beckett Adams:
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Opinion - CNN was right about the war, and I was wrong
Conservative media often direct a lot of ire at the "mainstream press" for getting it wrong — and they are often right. But it is only fair to acknowledge that conservative media get it wrong, too.
And when it comes to President Trump's disastrous attempt this year at playing war chief, a whole lot of conservatives got it wrong, this author included.
The largest, most powerful, and best-funded military in the history of the world, despite inflicting massive destruction and suffering minimal casualties, was somehow defeated by a shipping channel.
Again, I apologize. CNN's sources were clearly correct. This iteration of the Trump presidency is exactly as inept as advertised.
The White House went to war with no plan to counter or neutralize Iran's most important asset.
The memorandum is a humiliation for the U.S. A theocratic death cult responsible for thousands of dead Americans is being handed everything but the kitchen sink.
And the only thing the U.S. has to show in return is a document that amounts to an unconditional surrender, along with the loss of 13-plus U.S. servicemen.
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Opinion - CNN was right about the war, and I was wrong
Conservative media often direct a lot of ire at the "mainstream press" for getting it wrong — and they are often right. But it is only fair to acknowledge that conservative media get it wrong, too.
And when it comes to President Trump's disastrous attempt this year at playing war chief, a whole lot of conservatives got it wrong, this author included.
The largest, most powerful, and best-funded military in the history of the world, despite inflicting massive destruction and suffering minimal casualties, was somehow defeated by a shipping channel.
Again, I apologize. CNN's sources were clearly correct. This iteration of the Trump presidency is exactly as inept as advertised.
The White House went to war with no plan to counter or neutralize Iran's most important asset.
The memorandum is a humiliation for the U.S. A theocratic death cult responsible for thousands of dead Americans is being handed everything but the kitchen sink.
And the only thing the U.S. has to show in return is a document that amounts to an unconditional surrender, along with the loss of 13-plus U.S. servicemen.
Opinion - CNN was right about the war, and I was wrong
This White House is exactly as inept as advertised.
WEATHERBOYROY
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Keep in mind that the following opinion was written by a conservative named Beckett Adams:
The Hill
Follow
Opinion - CNN was right about the war, and I was wrong
Conservative media often direct a lot of ire at the "mainstream press" for getting it wrong — and they are often right. But it is only fair to acknowledge that conservative media get it wrong, too.
And when it comes to President Trump's disastrous attempt this year at playing war chief, a whole lot of conservatives got it wrong, this author included.
The largest, most powerful, and best-funded military in the history of the world, despite inflicting massive destruction and suffering minimal casualties, was somehow defeated by a shipping channel.
Again, I apologize. CNN's sources were clearly correct. This iteration of the Trump presidency is exactly as inept as advertised.
The White House went to war with no plan to counter or neutralize Iran's most important asset.
The memorandum is a humiliation for the U.S. A theocratic death cult responsible for thousands of dead Americans is being handed everything but the kitchen sink.
And the only thing the U.S. has to show in return is a document that amounts to an unconditional surrender, along with the loss of 13-plus U.S. servicemen.
Opinion - CNN was right about the war, and I was wrong
This White House is exactly as inept as advertised.
I'm not familiar with what CNN said. but I agree that Trump had no real plan to bring peace, But saw it as some kind of opportunity to get his name in the history books. Judging by his continual prideful remarks, it was all about him(as usual).l On the other hand, iran is a terrorist state with intent by the state to wipe Israel off the map. Their focus on eliminating Israel is so great the government installed a clock. The Palestine Square Countdown Clock: To institutionalize this wording into visible state doctrine, Iran's government unveiled a massive digital countdown clock in Tehran’s Palestine Square. The clock displays the remaining days until 2040 alongside propaganda banners reinforcing the message that the state's "extinction is certain." They are persistent in not allowing Israel to coexist as a state, and have continually reinforced that militarily with hamas, hezbollah, and the houthis. They profess to refuse to have peace with Israel as long as they live.....What do you do?
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NoSnowATL
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Gas down to 3.19. Let’s go!
Shaggy
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Worth celebrating is it?
NoSnowATL
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Lower is better. Felt like Biden era gas prices for a awhile. Glad to see it going down.
256wx
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So thankful for Kroger
NoSnowATL
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I miss Kroger
I miss Kroger too....gas is $4.09 up here in Downeast Maine. Hopefully we will fall back under $4 after the 4th of July. Good thing we got great temps, today's high was 68 and the low tonight will be in the 50s!!!
ghost1
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Ukraine’s drones and missles are now hitting Russian targets on a regular basis deep inside Russian territory. Oil refineries & depots… military industrial complexes, air defense systems.. etc. Putin is getting backed into a corner by the little country he was supposed to have beaten into submission in less than a week over 4 years ago. His troop morale is at an all time low. He has to be feeling the heat? What’s his next step? Escalate with small nukes? Try to assassinate Zelenskyy? Declare victory and all their military objectives were met and bring troops home? Other?
I doubt he will launch nukes. Most likely escalate threats and strikes.