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Presidential Election 2024

Skippy The Brat said:
Spoiler Alert Shaggy, there are many on the other side as well that get large government subsidies or positions. i.e. Nancy McNasty's niece getting a chushy 180K plus a year role in our government. Guraranteed she only got that bc of McNasty.
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I'm not sure arguing about nepotism is a hill you should die on seeing that Trump's own family benefited tremendously from being in his first Administration i e Jared Kushner getting 2 billion dollars from the Saudis
 
Shaggy said:
I'm not sure arguing about nepotism is a hill you should die on seeing that Trump's own family benefited tremendously from being in his first Administration i e Jared Kushner getting 2 billion dollars from the Saudis
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Yep, an equal opportunist, honest position would be that our government is rife with it and Trump is no different
 
LickWx said:
Yet that isn’t the case for so many on here. To assume an entire side is composed of rational logical thinkers and the other is composed of people incapable of logical thinking is illogical in itself…. I hope you are right and there are those on here capable of calling out the mistakes of those who they voted for, but as we saw in the case of Gaetz many were rabidly defending him, those people now embarrassed won’t admit it
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You have 2 choices. Be positive and wait and see or be negative. Where do you think being negative is going to get you the next couple of years other than best buds with shaggy and the hate brigade?
 
Sandbar said:
You have 2 choices. Be positive and wait and see or be negative. Where do you think being negative is going to get you the next couple of years other than best buds with shaggy and the hate brigade?
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Yet y’all did not exercise this wait and see approach during Biden’s term. I’m waiting and seeing, notice I’ve only criticized actions he has taken so far, namely his cabinet picks.
 
Sandbar said:
Talking point #234

You have no clue how this is going to turn out, none of us do but he does efficiency for a living as does Vivek and the government needs it because what we are doing now is bankrupting us
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Ok...so getting rid of 1/3 of the Federal employees by threatening them so they quit is going to fix our deficit...it wouldn't do anything. I would rather tax the billionaires 50% with no escape of tax deductions.

And yes...Elon is only doing this to help himself. You think he is some great philanthropist?
 
KyloG said:
Ok...so getting rid of 1/3 of the Federal employees is going to fix our deficit...it wouldn't do anything. I would rather tax the billionaires 50% with no escape of tax deductions.

And yes...Elon is only doing this to help himself. You think he is some great philanthropist?
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Talking points galore and nothing at all of substance. What the hell did the current admin do to fix this? How about the Obama years or the Bush years? Nobody has done a damn thing but Trump is willing to mix things up and try a different approach. You can't tax your way out of being broke. It has never worked and never will. We are 35 trillion in debt. Do you want to pony up your part of that. What is the average per household up to now?
 
Sandbar said:
So lets see all the conflicts of interest in the current admin you happily voted for......This is normally where you start hemming and hawing and deflecting. If he fixes it good, if he doesn't then you can scream it didn't work
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The problem isn't federal workers...though if "they" find "layoffs" can occur due to inefficienes then so be it. The problem is the billions we handed out to other countries. It's the Tesla/Elon tax credits to buy his cars...crap like that.
 
Sandbar said:
Talking points galore and nothing at all of substance. What the hell did the current admin do to fix this? How about the Obama years or the Bush years? Nobody has done a damn thing but Trump is willing to mix things up and try a different approach. You can't tax your way out of being broke. It has never worked and never will. We are 35 trillion in debt. Do you want to pony up your part of that. What is the average per household up to now?
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So driving up unemployment is the answer. Forcing middle class back in the office which will cause more financial straing after years of high inflation? Spending is the problem...stop giving away money to other countries..stop giving Tesla/Elon tax credits to sell his cars.
 
KyloG said:
The problem isn't federal workers...though if "they" find "layoffs" can occur due to inefficienes then so be it. The problem is the billions we handed out to other countries. It's the Tesla/Elon tax credits to buy his cars...crap like that.
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Yes.....WE need to stop sending billions to countries who rank at the bottom of the barrel on our list of allies like Ukraine. You are lashing out a guy and you have no clue what he intends to do or whether it will work. I can safely say that because it hasn't been tried. "I just know it won't work" isn't going to cut it
 
KyloG said:
So driving up unemployment is the answer. Forcing middle class back in the office which will cause more financial straing after years of high inflation? Spending is the problem...stop giving away money to other countries..stop giving Tesla/Elon tax credits to sell his cars.
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When Joe Biden closed that pipeline in 2020 he told those folks they can go get a new green deal job. Remember that? So we spent trillions on that garbage package that was going to create jobs by the millions so there you go!
 
LickWx said:
Yet y’all did not exercise this wait and see approach during Biden’s term. I’m waiting and seeing, notice I’ve only criticized actions he has taken so far, namely his cabinet picks.
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And now you are seeing a hell of a lot of I told you so's right? Do you know why we weren't patient Lick? Because it was the exact same F'ng playbook that has been failing us for 2 decades. Why would we want to wait and see when we have already seen it fail continuously? Trump is at least trying a different approach so people criticizing it at this point are doing it out of pure ignorance and nothing more
 
Sandbar said:
Yes.....WE need to stop sending billions to countries who rank at the bottom of the barrel on our list of allies like Ukraine. You are lashing out a guy and you have no clue what he intends to do or whether it will work. I can safely say that because it hasn't been tried. "I just know it won't work" isn't going to cut it
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I know exactly what Elon and Viveck intends to do...he tweets it out multiple times a day. He specifically said he wants to force federal employees back to the office so they will quit. Elon has hated WFH from day 1...this is an Elon bias he has and has now been given power. Abusive leaders use there power for personal gain.
 
Sandbar said:
When Joe Biden closed that pipeline in 2020 he told those folks they can go get a new green deal job. Remember that? So we spent trillions on that garbage package that was going to create jobs by the millions so there you go!
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So the answer to that is force employees back to the office 5 days a week so they quit?

I don't really give a shxt if people WFH...hybrid...5days in the office. But Elon is a lunatic and shouldn't be going on twitter threatening Federal employees and insinuating they don't have value. He's a bully and is only out for his personal agenda. In fact...he's everything you hate...you just haven't realized it.
 
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