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Webberweather53 said:
Ok and? Many cases in democratically controlled states early on in the covid-19 crisis were also mild or asymptomatic >>> thus none of this changes the fact that republican leadership in red states carry much of the blame for their spikes in cases. Try again
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i would’ve also hoped and expected the people of the states to control themselves just like the governors did by not going to bars or protesting but as we’ve seen over the past few weeks we can’t. My Aunt works in the Covid line in Valdosta and most of the people she’s seen are young people and they’ve mainly been to the bars down there and have very mild cases. Most middle aged and older people are following protocol even if they aren’t wearing mask by staying away from the elderly and not going into crowded areas. Young people tho have to be stupid and probably ruin it for everyone in these states who are opening back up by keeping schools closed probably eventually forcing shut downs again and keeping sports from being played. That’s why I’m begging to come in line with the idea of closing the bars back down but the only problem I have with that again is that your hurting someone’s business. Long post but I’m very aggravated I may not be able to go to college on campus in the fall and be forced online where I’m just wasting my time and money learning nothing.
 
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Cad Wedge NC said:
We have already addressed this multiple times as well...... saving the economy saves lives as well. You never told us which lives you thought were more important Poverty or Covid-19... care to answer?
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There will always be a lot of poverty in a capitalistic society where haves vs have nots rules the roost regardless of how well or poorly the economy is performing. There won't always be covid-19 however and we can very easily control the number of cases, hospitalizations, deaths, and number of people with long-term complications by taking steps to prevent ourselves and others around us from being infected. Preventing the spread of covid-19 is more important than the economy right now, republican states especially in the south, are finding that out the hard way.
 
Cad Wedge NC said:
No, not a strawman....... If the economy crashes, it will result in more murders, suicides, and deaths just from the lack of health care. You can't have it both ways folks. You have to compromise.
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Compromise? You mean immediately open the economy back up at full blast, risk killing tens of thousands of innocent people, lack of readily accessible health care (because the system is overwhelmed), also not wearing a mask because it's uncomfortable, unhealthy, not enforceable, or some other stupid excuse MAGAs come up with. Yeah that sounds like compromise to me.
 
Webberweather53 said:
There will always be a lot of poverty in a capitalistic society where haves vs have nots rules the roost regardless of how well or poorly the economy is performing. There won't always be covid-19 however and we can very easily control the number of cases, hospitalizations, deaths, and number of people with long-term complications by taking steps to prevent ourselves and others around us from being infected. Preventing the spread of covid-19 is more important than the economy right now, republican states especially in the south, are finding that out the hard way.
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Not true.... we can have both. We already came up with a viable solution. Protect the elderly and let everyone get back to work. Wear your masks and practice social distancing. Now, was that so difficult. Let's get on with it.
 
Tornadocane said:
Yeah. It's killing over 100,000 Americans in a average year.
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Poverty is permanent fixture in the US and nothing new, it will never go away and we've been dealing with it for hundreds of years and will continue to do so, so long as we remain a capitalistic society.

Covid provides additional death and suffering that previously weren't explained by poverty, car accidents, cancer, etc. Not sure why this is such a hard concept for some people to wrap their brains around.
 
Cad Wedge NC said:
Not true.... we can have both. We already came up with a viable solution. Protect the elderly and let everyone get back to work. Wear your masks and practice social distancing. Now, was that so difficult. Let's get on with it.
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Except that's definitely not working in states that have tried that (mostly republican states) and people aren't taking all the necessary precautions, many elderly are being forced to go back to work anyway and many, even in this very thread are perpetuating myths about wearing masks.

No we can't have it both ways, because the US is full of a bunch of spoiled brats that value the economy and personal freedoms over the livelihood of themselves and others and love to make everything into some sick, twisted conspiracy theory
 
Webberweather53 said:
Compromise? You mean immediately open the economy back up at full blast, risk killing tens of thousands of innocent people, lack of readily accessible health care (because the system is overwhelmed), also not wearing a mask because it's uncomfortable, unhealthy, not enforceable, or some other stupid excuse MAGAs come up with. Yeah that sounds like compromise to me.
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Don't be ridiculous.... There is always a solution that is beneficial to both sides. Protecting lives and opening back up. It is possible to do both. Folks just need to be supportive of the restrictions. Further more, I am a MAGA supporter and I don't make stupid excuses or stupid decisions. I don't appreciate the implication that I am somehow inferior...... Nothing could be farther from the truth.
 
Cad Wedge NC said:
We have already addressed this multiple times as well...... saving the economy saves lives as well. You never told us which lives you thought were more important Poverty or Covid-19... care to answer?
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Those that choose covid-19 over poverty seem to be the most "emotionally obsessed" with Donald J Trump. Just an observation from someone who knows ZERO people with this virus. None.....nada. People who face economic ruin dont just snap their fingers like Thanos and it all goes away
 
Cad Wedge NC said:
Don't be ridiculous.... There is always a solution that is beneficial to both sides. Protecting lives and opening back up. It is possible to do both. Folks just need to be supportive of the restrictions. Further more, I am a MAGA supporter and I don't make stupid excuses or stupid decisions. I don't appreciate the implication that I am somehow inferior...... Nothing could be farther from the truth.
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There is but some... actually many people on the right would rather open everything up right now to save a few bucks even if granny passes away. Like Dan Patrick once said: "Old people are willing to die for the economy!"


 
Webberweather53 said:
There is but some... actually many people on the right would rather open everything up right now to save a few bucks even if granny passes away. Like Dan Patrick once said: "Old people are willing to die for the economy!"


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If they shut down your grocery store and you couldn't work how would you feel?
 
Bham 99 said:
If they shut down your grocery store and you couldn't work how would you feel?
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I'm sorry but they will not shut down a major chain grocery store, that's literally the last business that will shut down even in the middle of a crsis. We will stay open no matter what, or else risk mass chaos & total societal breakdown.
 
Webberweather53 said:
I'm sorry but they will not shut down a major chain grocery store, that's literally the last business that will shut down even in the middle of a crsis. We will stay open no matter what, or else risk mass chaos & total societal breakdown.
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Oh I agree definitely.. but if there was something wrong and they had to shut down indefinitely how would that make you feel?
 
Shaggy said:
So then you support an increase in minimum wage to $15 so we lift as many people out of poverty as possible......awesome, solid policy position you have there.
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Minimal wage is Minimal wage. The $ number does not mater, for, over time all other wages will adjust . I do agree that it should be adjusted for inflation every 3 years
 
Webberweather53 said:
Except that's definitely not working in states that have tried that (mostly republican states) and people aren't taking all the necessary precautions, many elderly are being forced to go back to work anyway and many, even in this very thread are perpetuating myths about wearing masks.

No we can't have it both ways, because the US is full of a bunch of spoiled brats that value the economy and personal freedoms over the livelihood of themselves and others and love to make everything into some sick, twisted conspiracy theory
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You are wrong. I care about the economy and I wear my mask to prevent the spread. I practice social distancing, and I do everything that I am supposed to do to keep my parents and others safe. I am not some spoiled brat...... I love my country and I love our freedom, but I am not going to go against what is right just to make a point (look at riots and looting). There are folks on both sides that don't care about lives..... We can do this back and forth all night and you know it. Truth is, we have to get on with our lives and we have to do it responsibly. That's the message we should be presenting as a country.
 
Cad Wedge NC said:
You are wrong. I care about the economy and I wear my mask to prevent the spread. I practice social distancing, and I do everything that I am supposed to do to keep my parents and others safe. I am not some spoiled brat...... I love my country and I love our freedom, but I am not going to go against what is right just to make a point (look at riots and looting). There are folks on both sides that don't care about lives..... We can do this back and forth all night and you know it. Truth is, we have to get on with our lives and we have to do it responsibly. That's the message we should be presenting as a country.
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No you are wrong. Not everyone lives in Cad Wedge's utopian society where we all get along, holds hands, and sing kumbaya. This country as a whole is full of spoiled brats that don't want to follow the rules and comply with mandates and recommendations about protecting themselves and others. During a global pandemic, it only takes one or just a few bad apples to ruin the entire bunch.
 
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