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Shaggy said:
Official US policy backed by the bi-partisan Ukraine Caucus.

A back alley pressure campaign to investigate a political rival while going against already present US diplomatic policy.

2 very important distinctions people with TDS overlook.
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Are you saying the President doesn't decide the US diplomatic policy ?
 
weatherfide said:
So because Trump does it, that makes it ok? The left can’t rise above this type of behavior? You know, Trumps not that far right on the political spectrum. He’s also a narcissist. But at the time of the election, he was the only realistic choice to slow the steady destruction of liberty in this country. That doesn’t give him excuse to be rude, though.
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First off and most importantly I am not on the left, not even remotely, I know its hard for you to understand that there are actually people who apply the same standards to both sides even the side they typically support.....You are fine with voting and supporting Trump regardless of his actions.....there is no way you wont vote for him no matter what Trump does.

On policy I am much pretty far from Biden on most everything, and agree with some of what Trump wants though he goes about it all wrong....Trump treats everything like a nail and he is a hammer....but ultimately Trump is a bigger threat to this country than Biden would be simply because Trump is effectively destroying the separate but equal concept of the 3 branches and trying to turn the presidency into a dictatorship like position with no oversight and nothing but yes men and lapdogs in all the major cabinet positions effectively making him the end all be all power of the USA.....Trump is a bigger threat to the US way of government and Constitution than any president before him.....
 
stretch46 said:
Are you saying the President doesn't decide the US diplomatic policy ?
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Yes the administration sets policy based on rules and laws. Diplomatic policy doesnt get to violate those.

So as I said a diplomatic policy seeking the removal of a prosecutor not prosecuting when that's backed by a bipartisan senate caucus is not in violation of any laws.

Seeking foreign help to aid you in an election is against the law which the FEC clearly pointed out. Withholding the aid was also against the law and was widely frowned upon by the OMB because the money was already released.

The 2 scenarios are like trying to compare apples to bowling balls.
 
Downeastnc said:
First off and most importantly I am not on the left, not even remotely, I know its hard for you to understand that there are actually people who apply the same standards to both sides even the side they typically support.....You are fine with voting and supporting Trump regardless of his actions.....there is no way you wont vote for him no matter what Trump does.

On policy I am much pretty far from Biden on most everything, and agree with some of what Trump wants though he goes about it all wrong....Trump treats everything like a nail and he is a hammer....but ultimately Trump is a bigger threat to this country than Biden would be simply because Trump is effectively destroying the separate but equal concept of the 3 branches and trying to turn the presidency into a dictatorship like position with no oversight and nothing but yes men and lapdogs in all the major cabinet positions effectively making him the end all be all power of the USA.....Trump is a bigger threat to the US way of government and Constitution than any president before him.....
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Lmao. Trump is a bigger threat. Ok that’s your opinion. You think Biden is not a threat. We have yet to see his VP pick which will for sure be a radical liberal. Biden will be only a stepping stone for her. Biden is a serious threat and a disgrace to America. Funny how the liberals just brush off that Obama and Biden and his lapdogs lies about the RUSSIAN collusion. How ALL the liberals were screaming they interfered with this past election. Trump was behind it. Yet now we know that is was the liberals that were behind it. They were wanting to spy. They committed treason. They devalued the office. Yes Trump runs his mouth but Obama and Biden were the most corrupt ever in the WH. That’s my opinion. I call BS and all those who claim Trump is a threat are fos! They have attacked him since day one. The conservatives have lost their backbones. Everyone one of those Obama lapdogs should be charged. Reports now coming out that they unmasked his kids! America needs to wake up and clean this crap outta office and politics. Starting with every liberal and socialist. This is America and we are Americans NOT a global citizen! I don’t work for the UN! Sure some on here call my post crap. Well I stand for America and what’s right. So if don’t like it I don’t I don’t care. I call your way of thinking crap also. So we both agree it’s crap!
 
Downeastnc said:
First off and most importantly I am not on the left, not even remotely, I know its hard for you to understand that there are actually people who apply the same standards to both sides even the side they typically support.....You are fine with voting and supporting Trump regardless of his actions.....there is no way you wont vote for him no matter what Trump does.

On policy I am much pretty far from Biden on most everything, and agree with some of what Trump wants though he goes about it all wrong....Trump treats everything like a nail and he is a hammer....but ultimately Trump is a bigger threat to this country than Biden would be simply because Trump is effectively destroying the separate but equal concept of the 3 branches and trying to turn the presidency into a dictatorship like position with no oversight and nothing but yes men and lapdogs in all the major cabinet positions effectively making him the end all be all power of the USA.....Trump is a bigger threat to the US way of government and Constitution than any president before him.....
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As things stand right now, I don't see how Trump can turn the presidency into a dictatorship type of governance with the Democrats holding the house and having a strong position in the senate. Also, Trump is not widely liked among Republicans, either. These two groups will act to mitigate Trumps desires to seek tyrannical rule, even if that desire exists. I'm not sure it does, though. Trump likes to win but I think he still likes to win a contest worth winning. A narcissist, yes, and egomaniac, but not maniacal. There are too many people on both sides of the aisle that are standing in his way. He can ruin the Presidency, like so many before him, but there is only so much he can do without congress. The damage would be contained. Besides, placing conservative judges in the courts is worth putting up with some shenanigans, at this point. Things may certainly change, because the left is unhinged and heartless and they have the Media weapon; who knows what to believe from the press.

I can't see any likely scenario that would lead me to vote for Biden. I'm not sure how you can even consider that guy, either. I would think you would write in someone. By the way, I didn't vote for Trump in the last election.
 
Shaggy said:
Well someone sure got triggered.
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Noting at all against you Shaggy. You are respectful and have conversations and don’t just call names. One on here thinks he’s the most intelligent wx forecaster, genius in conversations and the gift to us all to hear what he has to say. When he is intelligent but he can’t be taken seriously because he’s to busy berating those that don’t see his point of view.
 
Matthew70 said:
Noting at all against you Shaggy. You are respectful and have conversations and don’t just call names. One on here thinks he’s the most intelligent wx forecaster, genius in conversations and the gift to us all to hear what he has to say. When he is intelligent but he can’t be taken seriously because he’s to busy berating those that don’t see his point of view.
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Never a huge fan of name calling. We are adults and I teach my son not to call names. Politics have become a very polarizing topic and yes much to your annoyance its trumps fault.

Theres people I've been friends with for decades that i use to talk politics with that I dont anymore.

Nobody in this nation is my enemy or yours. They are your neighbors, co-workers future friends if you get a chance to meet up.

I use to get deep in the mud on another forum. Throw insults and just bash and fight. Once I had my son my entire outlook changed. I refuse to raise him with hate around. He will not hate someone because of their views or lifestyles or religion.
 
Shaggy said:
Might secure my vote for him. Shes got thicker skin and bigger cahones than trump. ;)
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I think she would certainly energize Trumps base and may tilt libertarians over to Trump. Her nickname is wHitler. It may be a good pick if you want to absolutely sink Biden's chance of winning. And that might be the end game after all...
 
Matthew70 said:
Noting at all against you Shaggy. You are respectful and have conversations and don’t just call names. One on here thinks he’s the most intelligent wx forecaster, genius in conversations and the gift to us all to hear what he has to say. When he is intelligent but he can’t be taken seriously because he’s to busy berating those that don’t see his point of view.
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Some can be incredibly intelligent but sorely lacking in wisdom and compassion. When this happens, it's such a tragedy to see the intelligence wasted.
 
Matthew70 said:
Lmao. Trump is a bigger threat. Ok that’s your opinion. You think Biden is not a threat. We have yet to see his VP pick which will for sure be a radical liberal. Biden will be only a stepping stone for her. Biden is a serious threat and a disgrace to America. Funny how the liberals just brush off that Obama and Biden and his lapdogs lies about the RUSSIAN collusion. How ALL the liberals were screaming they interfered with this past election. Trump was behind it. Yet now we know that is was the liberals that were behind it. They were wanting to spy. They committed treason. They devalued the office. Yes Trump runs his mouth but Obama and Biden were the most corrupt ever in the WH. That’s my opinion. I call BS and all those who claim Trump is a threat are fos! They have attacked him since day one. The conservatives have lost their backbones. Everyone one of those Obama lapdogs should be charged. Reports now coming out that they unmasked his kids! America needs to wake up and clean this crap outta office and politics. Starting with every liberal and socialist. This is America and we are Americans NOT a global citizen! I don’t work for the UN! Sure some on here call my post crap. Well I stand for America and what’s right. So if don’t like it I don’t I don’t care. I call your way of thinking crap also. So we both agree it’s crap!
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Well where did I say Biden was not a threat? I just see it as a different kind of threat, and I have no intentions of voting for Biden at this point....I also wont vote for Trump.

I know this is tough for you to accept but Trump Jr agreed to meet with Russian government officials who he thought was going to provide him with documents to hurt Hillary, and for all we know they did....now in what world is that not collusion? Trump Jr was there to accept documents from one of our biggest enemies to help his father become president of the USA. This is just one of many such examples, half of Trumps inner circle at the time went to jail for lying to the FBI about ties and contacts with the Russians lol....but your right it was all lies from Obama...

That little rant at the end is exactly why the GOP is a dying.....its also a excellent example of why the current mentality of the two main parties is actually allowing people like Trump and Bernie to gain ground and actually further the damage to the country. You are part of the problem not part of the solution.
 
Matthew70 said:
www.newswars.com

68% Of Unemployed Workers In The U.S. “Are Eligible For Payments That Are Greater Than Their Lost Earnings”

For decades, our national leaders have been leading us down a road that leads to national oblivion
www.newswars.com
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That boggles my mind. My buds sister and her boyfriend have been out of work and are absolutely loving the benefits . Literally neither has made any effort to find another job. Then my other bud had a coworker of his ask to be fired to be added to unemployment benefits.

Ultimately I have faith that most of these people will return to work. Most people feel wrong just sitting about doing nothing , on top of the social stigma against it.
 
Matthew70 said:
Noting at all against you Shaggy. You are respectful and have conversations and don’t just call names. One on here thinks he’s the most intelligent wx forecaster, genius in conversations and the gift to us all to hear what he has to say. When he is intelligent but he can’t be taken seriously because he’s to busy berating those that don’t see his point of view.
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weatherfide said:
Some can be incredibly intelligent but sorely lacking in wisdom and compassion. When this happens, it's such a tragedy to see the intelligence wasted.
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Last time I checked this was a political forum, not a soap opera.

There are other, better places on this site to whine about individual bloggers instead of clogging this thread w/ your personal soap boxes.
 
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