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Bham 99 said:
It goes both ways. It seems to me the ones that are most vocal against opening up are the ones that have stable jobs and incomes without any problems during this pandemic.. I'm one of those people I have not missed a paycheck... but I remember what it's like to struggle and not have enough money to pay my bills.. I'm not staying we need to open up everything right away all I'm saying is that it's a complex situation and just because someone wants to work or supports letting workers go back is not something to be demonized.
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I agree man. You take anybody (with a mortgage and real life bills) touting stay closed, stay closed, stay closed, take their livelihood from them to the brink of losing their home and everything they worked for and those attitudes change real quick. All of sudden those "numbers" start to look a whole lot different. Some of these same folks (while Im sure don't want to see people suffer and die) have no qualms about any opportunity they can take to pin any negativity related to this virus on the president. I dont have people like that in my circle thank god......
 
Shaggy said:
No. Dead people isnt equal economic hardship. How yall are still not grasping that is beyond me. Are yall truly that dismissive of lives lost?
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Have you not seen where people have said they would rather be dead than to not be able to provide for their families. I pray none of us never are homeless but to someone living on streets having to look for food and be out in elements every day. Trying to stay warm or cold. No health services like dental or eye care or even regular doctor visits. Are you dismissive to how harsh that is? That could be years of pain and agony. I lost my father years ago. I was taught to live and not look back. I miss him dearly but don’t wallow in his death. Death sucks but it’s something we all will face one day. Is suffering for years before death on streets that much better than dying quickly from this virus? You act like some of us don’t care people die from this virus. There are 2 sides to this virus. Not just 1! We could say same for you. You don’t care people suffer and live in poverty and hunger. You would rather people suffer than to get this virus.
 
Sandbar said:
I agree man. You take anybody (with a mortgage and real life bills) touting stay closed, stay closed, stay closed, take their livelihood from them to the brink of losing their home and everything they worked for and those attitudes change real quick. All of sudden those "numbers" start to look a whole lot different. Some of these same folks (while Im sure don't want to see people suffer and die) have no qualms about any opportunity they can take to pin any negativity related to this virus on the president. I dont have people like that in my circle thank god......
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I agree. I choose not to be friends with negative thinking people. And it's been so long that I've had this mindset that I can't remember what it's like to be around negative folks.
 
Bham 99 said:
I agree. I choose not to be friends with negative thinking people. And it's been so long that I've had this mindset that I can't remember what it's like to be around negative folks.
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People on here think I’m negative. Well doing my profession for 29 years tells in not negative. I’m a realist. I look at what could happen. Some think America is invincible. One thing I’ve learned never put yourself on a pedestal. You will always fall off of that pedestal.
 
Steven_1974 said:
They don't. They'll never get it. This was already predicted back when the shutdowns started saying these folks will say see, the shutdown was unnecessary. But that's cause they worked like they were supposed to. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do to get these folks to understand that. You can also see the Venn diagram of the folks that think this way matching up with a particular person politically too.
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I said the shut-downs were unnecessary before they were started, though. I haven’t changed my stance now, and after seeing antibody testing, feel even stronger that the economic take-down was completely unnecessary and over-reaction.
 
weatherfide said:
I said the shut-downs were unnecessary before they were started, though. I haven’t changed my stance now, and after seeing antibody testing, feel even stronger that the economic take-down was completely unnecessary and over-reaction.
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Hypothetical, but what if no government shut down over this or imposed a single restriction? What would be the outcome?
 
Bham 99 said:
I agree. I choose not to be friends with negative thinking people. And it's been so long that I've had this mindset that I can't remember what it's like to be around negative folks.
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It will serve you well now and in the future trust me! The last thing you want to be surrounded by is a "staff infection". Negative people are like vampires. They suck the life out of those around them....
 
Shaggy said:
No. Dead people isnt equal economic hardship. How yall are still not grasping that is beyond me. Are yall truly that dismissive of lives lost?
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Death is a part of this world we live in. It always has been and will continue to be. Running away from it, sacrificing life giving and healthy activities to stave it off is pointless, death still arrives. We can have economic prosperity and a healthy approach to the sick and vulnerable. It was never and still is not necessary to quarantine the healthy and those least at risk. As for those at highest risk, let them have the freedom to decide what kind of life to live while they still have the chance. In the end, nothing you and I can or will choose to do will stop everyone of us from dying. It is best to live free and prosper than to live a slave to fear and suffering.
 
WxGSO said:
So, you think this is hilarious?? Granted, I think it's quite ironic, but hilarious, not so much. On a side, when this is all said and done, A LOT of people are going to have had the virus.
ANYBODY can social distance whenever they want, if they are out and about. This doesn't need to change whenever the restrictions are slowly lifted. IF you are scared to go out, then stay home.
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It's pretty hilarious that the very people saying we need to open everything back up asap, organizing mass gatherings/protests, with many far right wingers saying it's still no big deal/fake news, are the very people getting sick with COVID-19. Darwinism & karma win again.
 
ForsythSnow said:
Hypothetical, but what if no government shut down over this or imposed a single restriction? What would be the outcome?
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No shutdown at all could have been really bad in my opinion but some states have gone overboard with the restrictions and procedures. I fully understand protecting ourselves from mass stupidity but hell, we have to deal with those people every day. It hasn't affected my family much (a wee bit on the farming side) and I don't foresee the doomsday scenario as others but this country is NOT built to stay at home in fear and this cant be the new precedent for how we deal with these viruses in the future.
 
Sandbar said:
It will serve you well now and in the future trust me! The last thing you want to be surrounded by is a "staff infection". Negative people are like vampires. They suck the life out of those around them....
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I don't think you understand the difference between negativity and realistic predictability. Negativity, or pessimism is expecting the worst possible scenario. Realistic predictability, which I'm making up because I'm not sure what the actual term is, is where you look at all scenarios from best to worst and see what the variables are, then make a guess as to how reality is most likely to come about to. Science doesn't care about your positive or negative feelings.
weatherfide said:
An elevated flu season was most likely. Without the hype, most people would have not even known there was a corona virus component.
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THE VIRUS IS NOT THE FLU!!!!!! :rolleyes: It's a totally different virus. I'm talking to a brick wall here.
weatherfide said:
Death is a part of this world we live in. It always has been and will continue to be. Running away from it, sacrificing life giving and healthy activities to stave it off is pointless, death still arrives. We can have economic prosperity and a healthy approach to the sick and vulnerable. It was never and still is not necessary to quarantine the healthy and those least at risk. As for those at highest risk, let them have the freedom to decide what kind of life to live while they still have the chance. In the end, nothing you and I can or will choose to do will stop everyone of us from dying. It is best to live free and prosper than to live a slave to fear and suffering.
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Yeah but when millions drop dead and healthcare systems become overwhelmed there's not enough people to sustain what we overall had as society. The economy would have crumbled even more dramatically had nothing been done entirely. Yes death can't be stopped, but if you accelerate the rate of it due to ignorance then you start getting into some dark territory.
 
Sandbar said:
No shutdown at all could have been really bad in my opinion but some states have gone overboard with the restrictions and procedures. I fully understand protecting ourselves from mass stupidity but hell, we have to deal with those people every day. It hasn't affected my family much (a wee bit on the farming side) and I don't foresee the doomsday scenario as others but this country is NOT built to stay at home in fear and this cant be the new precedent for how we deal with these viruses in the future.
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Stupid people we can deal with and I agree on some states, and yes we have to reopen, but doing it appropriately would be the best case scenario and that's the one I want us to go. Best way to deal with future viruses is probably going to have to be how we are handling it with a shutdown for a short time depending on severity. Luckily they're not frequent. We're lucky this isn't something on the lethal level of ebola with contagion of the cold.
 
Webberweather53 said:
It's pretty hilarious that the very people saying we need to open everything back up asap, organizing mass gatherings/protests, with many far right wingers saying it's still no big deal/fake news, are the very people getting sick with COVID-19. Darwinism & karma win again.
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Look, I don't agree with these "open up" protesters and understand why federal/state/local governments acted as they did because elected leaders have to show like they're doing "something" to protect citizens, but... can someone explain why Sweden has had, relatively, so much success fighting this virus without taking anywhere near as drastic actions as we took...

The Predicted Coronavirus Catastrophe Hasn’t Arrived In Sweden. What’s Next?

Population of Sweden is 10 million; roughly the same population as North Carolina. Stockholm is a larger city than both Raleigh and Charlotte. Their hospitals haven't been overrun (far from it) and there is capacity available to tread the sick. I realize hindsight is 20/20 so I'm not criticizing any public official for decisions they made in the public's best interest (which, politics aside, I hope we can agree that's why decisions to 'lock down' were made), but I would also hope that as we see other countries having success at handling this virus by taking different approach that we'd be receptive to adapting our policies accordingly. That's probably naive, but...
 
Webberweather53 said:
It's pretty hilarious that the very people saying we need to open everything back up asap, organizing mass gatherings/protests, with many far right wingers saying it's still no big deal/fake news, are the very people getting sick with COVID-19. Darwinism & karma win again.
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Not all folks on the right of center Webb; some actually have brains and a social conscience ... I know one at least ... :eek:
 
ForsythSnow said:
I don't think you understand the difference between negativity and realistic predictability. Negativity, or pessimism is expecting the worst possible scenario. Realistic predictability, which I'm making up because I'm not sure what the actual term is, is where you look at all scenarios from best to worst and see what the variables are, then make a guess as to how reality is most likely to come about to. Science doesn't care about your positive or negative feelings.

THE VIRUS IS NOT THE FLU!!!!!! :rolleyes: It's a totally different virus. I'm talking to a brick wall here.

Yeah but when millions drop dead and healthcare systems become overwhelmed there's not enough people to sustain what we overall had as society. The economy would have crumbled even more dramatically had nothing been done entirely. Yes death can't be stopped, but if you accelerate the rate of it due to ignorance then you start getting into some dark territory.
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LOL......Partner I understand negativity. I understand panic. I understand pessimism and I absolutely understand "realism". Negativity, fear and panic are why people do stupid things and make irrational decisions. I cant tell you how many times I sat in on a briefing before an op and we had number crunchers going over the "reality" of how many guys we could lose. The majority of the time we all came back! You know why? Because we didn't allow our feelings or the worst possible scenario to depict or fate. I use my combat experience a lot here and no this isn't combat but it does relate to how people perceive the potential outcome of a bad situation
 
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